Can a Muslim say happy Christmas?

Can a Muslim say happy Christmas?

There are 272 comments on the www.independent.co.uk story from Nov 27, 2009, titled Can a Muslim say happy Christmas?. In it, www.independent.co.uk reports that:

Suheil Azam was sitting in a coffee shop in east London last month when one his friends began a debate on whether it was permissible under Islamic scripture for Muslims to wish their non-Muslim friends happy Christmas ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Nov 27, 2009
from independent.co.uk:

"But now, as the Hajj gets under way in Mecca, one of the world's oldest Islamic institutions has come to Britain to remind young Muslims who might be tempted by the Wahabi rhetoric that there is an alternative way to worship.
Scholars from Al-Azhar in Cairo have been touring Britain's mosques to launch a new online book of fatwas (Islamic judgements) which directly challenge the Saudi way of thinking."

Abu wished me a Happy Thanksgiving -- maybe it's a start.
Geert Wilders

London, UK

#2 Nov 27, 2009
The only start is thousands of boats packed to the rafters with them all sailing east!

Since: Oct 06

Location hidden

#3 Nov 27, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from independent.co.uk:
"But now, as the Hajj gets under way in Mecca, one of the world's oldest Islamic institutions has come to Britain to remind young Muslims who might be tempted by the Wahabi rhetoric that there is an alternative way to worship.
Scholars from Al-Azhar in Cairo have been touring Britain's mosques to launch a new online book of fatwas (Islamic judgements) which directly challenge the Saudi way of thinking."
Abu wished me a Happy Thanksgiving -- maybe it's a start.
Did he? Sarah seems to believe that is not permissible in Islam. It's interesting you bring up this topic as I just asked this question on Scent's thread, but still waiting an answer from her.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#5 Nov 27, 2009
Any excuse to party is good, no matter what religion.

“A different view”

Since: Sep 08

West Riding

#6 Nov 27, 2009
Zainab Sajid wrote:
I am a muslim and yes you can say happy christmas/merry christmas and you can even give a christmas preseny or a christmas card to someone you know,for example your teachers.
Today is our special day.Now everyone in the UK might we have like party clothes on or why is it so busy today,something like that.
IT IS EID!!!
Interesting bit of trivia, what is EID in reverse?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#7 Nov 27, 2009
Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year to all Christians in advance.

I just did!

Salaams
BMZ
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#8 Nov 27, 2009
albion wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting bit of trivia, what is EID in reverse?
The Arabic letters are Ayn, ya and dal.

So What do you wish to do with LAD-YA-NYA in reverse?

Cheers
BMZ
Martha

United States

#9 Nov 27, 2009
Christmas is Idolatry to a season and a false god, Santa Claus, and everything associated with the holiday of Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus of the Bible, especially the star and three wisemen, these men were Astrologers or Magi who were directed to Herod, they came to find the new King of Israel, Herod sent soldiers to Bethleham to destroy the new king, instead Joseph was warned to take the infant to Egypt. Herod said to kill all the babies in Bethleham, but Jesus was not there. When the Magi finally did find Jesus to present him gifts, Jesus was a little boy living in Nazareth. The Bible proves the Magi were sent to Herod from Satan the Devil.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#10 Nov 27, 2009
Martha wrote:
Christmas is Idolatry to a season and a false god, Santa Claus, and everything associated with the holiday of Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus of the Bible, especially the star and three wisemen, these men were Astrologers or Magi who were directed to Herod, they came to find the new King of Israel, Herod sent soldiers to Bethleham to destroy the new king, instead Joseph was warned to take the infant to Egypt. Herod said to kill all the babies in Bethleham, but Jesus was not there. When the Magi finally did find Jesus to present him gifts, Jesus was a little boy living in Nazareth. The Bible proves the Magi were sent to Herod from Satan the Devil.
Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus. Countries and communities celebrate it in different ways.
ALI

Surbiton, UK

#11 Nov 27, 2009
Of course a muslim can say 'Happy Christmas'. He just as to make sure he does not say it within knife throwing distance of the Imam.

Since: Feb 09

England

#12 Nov 27, 2009
Who cares what moslems can and can't say and what they can and can't think?

Quite frankly I'm sick to my stomach with the whole bloody lot of them.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#13 Nov 27, 2009
Martha wrote:
Christmas is Idolatry to a season and a false god, Santa Claus, and everything associated with the holiday of Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus of the Bible ...
Christmas was originally the Roman holiday of Saturnus when the days were short and gift-giving was the custom; this was taken over by the church, which gutted it of its pagan meaning, but not its pagan symbols, like the tree and Yule log.

After following the conjunction and arriving in Bethlehem, the magi/astrologers were warned in a dream not to return to Herod, and they didn't; hence the massacre of the innocents.
Martha

United States

#14 Nov 27, 2009
As much as you would like to think Christmas is the birthday of Jesus, you are mistaken. According the chronology of Jesus life, he was probably born the first part of the first week in October.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#15 Nov 27, 2009
Martha wrote:
As much as you would like to think Christmas is the birthday of Jesus, you are mistaken. According the chronology of Jesus life, he was probably born the first part of the first week in October.
Yes, agreed wholeheartedly.
However, it is the time of year that most Christians celebrate the event, and as such it should be celebrated.
Mona lisa

Mississauga, Canada

#16 Nov 27, 2009
Martha wrote:
As much as you would like to think Christmas is the birthday of Jesus, you are mistaken. According the chronology of Jesus life, he was probably born the first part of the first week in October.
The day of 25th December is only symbolic Martha.Just like you Muslims celebrate the Meeladi Nabi (Birth if the Prophet Mohamed) on different days of the year.Muslim love for Jesus is only outward, but inside every Muslim, he is an enemy of Islam.By the way why do you keep a beautiful Chrstian name and carry out a 'dawah' for islam.quite disgusting.
Sheik Mohideen

Mississauga, Canada

#17 Nov 27, 2009
Early Muslims never greeted any other religions.
defending their opinion, they use a hadith as mentioned in Bukhari: "It related from *Aishah that a group of Jews came to God's Messenger and said,'as-sam *alayk (death be on you). I understood it and said to them, as-sam wa al-la*nah (on you be death and curse).

God's Messenger said,'Be calm! O *Aishah, for God loves that one should be kind and lenient in all matters.' I said.'O God's Messenger! Haven't you heard what they have said?' God's Messenger said,'(Haven't you heard what I have said.) I said (to them),*alaykum (upon you).'" According to them, responding to a greeting with non-Muslims is limited and so is wishing "Merry Christmas".

Based on a literature study, the writers believe that the ban of wishing "Merry Christmas" directly from the prophet is not found. This is due to the fact that historically there was relatively no clear contact between Muslims and Christians in Madinah as Muslims had with the Jews.

The Madina Charter, for example, indicates how intense the contact was with the Jews because they had economical and political power in Madinah. Conflict and cheating occurred between them which forced the Jews to leave Madina. This kind of contact didn't occur between Christians and Muslims in Madinah.

That is why there is no proof that the prophet said anything about wishing someone "Merry Christmas". The type of greeting between the Jews and Muslims at that time was the result of the political situation, which triggered a conflict. This is the reason why the prophet issued the hadith which the ulemas later interpreted as limiting and/or prohibiting Muslims to greet or reply using the word assalamu'alaikum or anything similar with non-Muslims.

Since: Oct 06

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#18 Nov 27, 2009
bmz wrote:
Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year to all Christians in advance.
I just did!
Salaams
BMZ
Hey don't forget about Pagans and Jews, they celebrate New Years also.

:)

But can you explain why a Muslim would say such a thing as this:'Giving thanks to the only true God is absolutely fine, but giving thanks to a false god is not acceptable. I’m sure many of Christians have a certain physical image of god in their minds that they give thanks to. This is pagan.'
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TC7...

Even if you cannot, could you please explain where in the koran does it say that you may wish happy holidays/feastday to other people who are celebrating their own religious beliefs which islam rejects?

Also this comment from another Muslim who seems to have come to a different conclusion about what islam teaches than you have, BMZ:
'Happy Eid. It's so nice celebrating the Eid.

But pity goes to non-Muslims who will end up in Hell. Doesn't anybody tell them about this fact?'

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TC7...
Scent of Memories

Makkah, Saudi Arabia

#19 Nov 27, 2009
who="Mona lisa"
The day of 25th December is only symbolic Martha.Just like you Muslims celebrate the Meeladi Nabi (Birth if the Prophet Mohamed) on different days of the year.Muslim love for Jesus is only outward, but inside every Muslim, he is an enemy of Islam.By the way why do you keep a beautiful Chrstian name and carry out a 'dawah' for islam.quite disgusting.
==========
Who told you we celebrate the birth of prophet Mohammad , peace be upon him, we don't. It's beda', means some celebration invented by people not Islamic at all.I know they do in some Muslim countries, but it's still wrong. As many christians think Christmas, Valentine, Thanksgiving , Halloween, are man -made celebration and don't celebrate them. And why people here so anious if we wish them appy times or not, we didn't ask them to wish us.
Martha

United States

#21 Nov 27, 2009
I am not a Muslim, I am Jehovah's witness, and I am thoroughly educated in the Bible. I am not telling anyone what to believe or how to live their lives, I am just stating Bible facts based on spiritual comprehension of the Scriptures.
Each individual is free to choose what to believe,
God loves all mankind, but wants you to find the truth, and then live it.

Since: Oct 06

Location hidden

#22 Nov 27, 2009
Scent of Memories wrote:
And why people here so anious if we wish them appy times or not, we didn't ask them to wish us.
No one is anxious at all. This is an Islam forum and the subject is 'Islam'! It's a question meant to understand more about your religion. You bellyache that no one really listens to you, and then when you're asked questions so we may understand, you bellyache again.

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