South Ossetia to Join Russia

[Pravda]

ellena wrote:

1. Empire? Georgians never build any empires, where did you get this information? Historians know only Roman, Greek, English and Russian Empires. Did you forget about the great Russian Empereos?
2.This world does't now hundreds of europian empires...they never existed
3.Well here you make the big mistake, you just manipulate with the words to proove that you have a point.
4.Well Saakashvili is the President of his country. He was selected by people and he trys to govern the Georgia. He is far from facist.
Georgians didn't have a chanse to solve the problem diplomatically, becouse of Russias Involvement. When Saakashvili sujested to change Russian Peasekeepers buy International Police forces just two month ago, Kokoti atacted because he knew he didn't have any real ppover over ossetians in the region to prove his demands and attac georgian vilages.
5.I didn't say they fought to spred communism. Read carefully please, I sad They fought WWII, they defend their country and spread the Communist ideology as far as they succeeded.
6.PRAVDA is a TRUTH, and PRAVDA WAS #1 Soviet Newspaper. What is your point to use this word if you don't investigate the real facts corectly?

it is your facts that are not correct, there WERE MANY empires, not the 4 you listed. Saakashville may have been elected, though a popular conscensus between people is that he actually lost the election but the opposition stepped down to prevent civil war among georgians. He is, in fact, a fascist. Look up what fascist means. Georgia is for georgians slogan suggets fascism in itself. They tried to ethnically pick and choose who the land should supprt. He HAD all the chance in the world for a diplomatic solution, russia only went in cause he attacked. there is NO excuse for ethnic cleansing and mas murder - NONE. My forum name has nothing to do with the soviet newspaper, you and many others here need to realize you are not in the soviet union, soviet union is gone, you are even in the US, stop with this soviet union thing, everything that has to do with it is bad... russians are pigs, pravda is not truth, yata yata yata.. come one. i do not mean to offend you in any way, i hope you do not get offended, mad or upset. that is not my intent. But everyone speaks their view here, and i seem to get attacked left and right. If you wish to discuss, ok, voice your opinion, ok, ask, ok, tell ok... but pls no "soviet paper propaganda pigs" thing
if you think there were only 4 empires you are most certainly mistaken, there were MANY since beginning of history, i can think of more than four from the top of my head

[Pravda]

catherine wrote:

<quoted text> Russia is an aggressor, we and the world do not need them, and as i know you have no idea what i am talking about. If you felt Russian boot, you would never say that. Russia doesn't need any defence,they just need to stick with their own territory and get over the idea that they do not rule the world

they have done so... its US's turn

[Pravda]

catherine wrote:

<quoted text> Thank you ellena, thank you very much. I read comments and i think of myself, that, these people judge Georgia as of they know anything, as of they ever lived there. I do not know why everybody thinks that Russian's can do anything in another country's territory. there is no Ossetia, there is SAMACHABLo and that has nothing to do with Russians. Guess Georgians are paying price for giving ossetians and other tribes food and shelter. My only hope is, that they learn not to do it ever again. Thank you again and you are the only one who actually knows what is really going on.

pls tell me the year ossetians came to Samachablo.. to refuge from the mongols?.. in that case bulgaria doesnt belong to bulgarians, they also settled there.. there IS ossetia, many peoples in history were either nomadic or chased from their lands. Just because at one point the gergians helped them a gazillion years ago does NOT mean they can execute them all and chase them from what is now ossetian land as well... there are ethnic georgians there, nobody ever said they are to be expelled. coexist yes.
dont tell me you also think there were only 4 empires in the world

[Pravda]

catherine wrote:

<quoted text> Why do you think that there are only ossetians living in that territory, most of the people that live there are Georgian's how about them. Do they deserve to live in their own home, and not be punished because Russia decided to expand and once again cause distruction?

here we go again... PLEASE DO NOT READ BETWEEN THE LINES.
there ARE ethnic georgians there yes. they should NOT be expelled, they should stay in their homes. people should co-exist, equal rights, it is both their lands. Russia did not want to expand and "cause distruction". It was saakashville who targeted innocent poeple disregarding the georgians in the region that he didnt care about. Those people there do not want war, they dont hate ossetians, they want to coexist. Russia is NOT punishing them, or anyone other than saakashvilles regime. peaceful georgians wish to coexist, saakashville wanted to exterminate the opposition and resolve any disputes within his regioin, this was needed to get into nato and eu. but his motives here are irrelevant, not worth discussing, what he did was WRONG. period. not russia, not putin, not stalin, not mars. SAAKASHVILLE.

.. then he chews his tie on camera

[ellena]

TO PRAVDA!
Are you Ossetian?
What is your problem?
Why do you hate Saakashvili so mach?
I use facts, which you can find in the public library of Lindenhurst. Or go to NYC cental Library. Investigate, learn a little bit, knowledge could be useful!

[Pravda]

ellena wrote:

TO PRAVDA!
Are you Ossetian?
What is your problem?
Why do you hate Saakashvili so mach?
I use facts, which you can find in the public library of Lindenhurst. Or go to NYC cental Library. Investigate, learn a little bit, knowledge could be useful!

REALLY??? FACTS???
ok, so go, learn facts, knowledge is useful. sakashville comitted mass murder - that is WRONG.
you dont use any facts, you state that ossetians have no claim to this land, which is wrong and a poor argument. you also state the world only saw 3 empires... what other "facts" do you use?
what you stated about ossetians coming to the land was true, i agreed. however that was loooong ago, and it is their land now also.
and why all of a sudden im ossetian? if anything, are you georgian? why is this so offensive to you?
im simply having a discussion. and yes i do use facts.
i dont hate anyone. i believe what he did was wrong. you seem to hate all "evil russian pigs".
and you're accusing me of "your" hatred.
you do not have to be insulting or emotional, i have never offended you, and never meant to. If you feel your "facts" differ from mine, we can discuss as civilized people with no insults. if our facts match but opinions dont, we can discuss, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
and no, im not ossetian.

[Cari Nations]

You want to play, you have to pay.

By supporting the Georgian Goverment in its provocation against South Ossetia and the Russians. The American gov. has given the Russians a rational to take back (obsorb) South Ossetia. By putting missles in Poland and over Europe, We are causing Russia to React defensively and to plan agressivly against any threat. Cold war sound familiar?

[Pravda]

Cari Nations wrote:

You want to play, you have to pay.
By supporting the Georgian Goverment in its provocation against South Ossetia and the Russians. The American gov. has given the Russians a rational to take back (obsorb) South Ossetia. By putting missles in Poland and over Europe, We are causing Russia to React defensively and to plan agressivly against any threat. Cold war sound familiar?

only US is playing the communist role, no reason for any of this. The two should work together. One superpower will never control/police the world, people want to live free and in peace. americans now beginning to admit that georgia started the war, "opps, hundreds dead, oh well", imagine hitler said "opps sorry" i "didnt" know we were killing millions of jews... and people argue that ossetians do not belong there.. maybe jews should all be sent back to egypt, or israel, they did the same as ossetians... why cant all just get along lol

[ellena]

Pravda wrote:

<quoted text>
only US is playing the communist role, no reason for any of this. The two should work together. One superpower will never control/police the world, people want to live free and in peace. americans now beginning to admit that georgia started the war, "opps, hundreds dead, oh well", imagine hitler said "opps sorry" i "didnt" know we were killing millions of jews... and people argue that ossetians do not belong there.. maybe jews should all be sent back to egypt, or israel, they did the same as ossetians... why cant all just get along lol

This is the link about Russia for people who speak Russian.
http://grani-tv.ru/entries/449/

For those who can not understand Russian I must say that Russians want very much to blame Georgia, but they are not able to hide the truth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur...

Or you might try this:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news...

Businesses do not like unstable countries. Nowadays, Russia is the most dangerous market to invest in this world .

[ellena]

http://en.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/65/00.htm...
This is another interesting link, enjoy!

[Pravda]

ellena wrote:

<quoted text>
This is the link about Russia for people who speak Russian.
http://grani-tv.ru/entries/449/
For those who can not understand Russian I must say that Russians want very much to blame Georgia, but they are not able to hide the truth.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur...
Or you might try this:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news...
Businesses do not like unstable countries. Nowadays, Russia is the most dangerous market to invest in this world .

they "want" to blame georgia? georgis IS to blame for the military action. fact.
Dangerous market to invest, in many areas very well maybe. So dont invest. whats your point?
you take a completely one sided position. I do not. If there was something russia would do that i do not approve of i would recognize it. Im an american now, i dont vote in the russian elections, i vote in the US elections. There is much US did that i did approve, there is much they do that i dont. This was about the conflict in south ossetia. Mass murder was wrong. You do not agree?
providing links in an attempt to blame and bash the russian people does not do/prove anything. What is YOUR opinion

[xfactor2000]

A total mistake by Russia, in my opinion. We had no rights to intervene.
Although Saakashvili, Russia was the one who provoked him.
I am ashamed of this war. This intervention will bring us nothing but trouble.
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[Pravda]

xfactor2000 wrote:

A total mistake by Russia, in my opinion. We had no rights to intervene.
Although Saakashvili, Russia was the one who provoked him.
I am ashamed of this war. This intervention will bring us nothing but trouble.
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provoked ethnic cleansing and killing civilians... im sorry i disagree