The President has failed us

This week, I decided to list the reasons I would not vote for Barack Obama in the next election. Full Story

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

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#97747 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm reluctant to answer;-) But, you can probably tell by how many nasty judge-its I get in the next few minutes.
What do you think of the President's immigration proposal? Personally, I don't see anything in these proposals that does one thing for the American and legal immigrant workers they replaced, and what in these formulas is designed to discourage others from coming to wait for their turns? Securing the border(s) only prevents 60% of the problem - even if you believe we can successfully block border jumpers, and I don't think we can in the first place. What's the plan for th 40% who enter on legal visas and never go home again? Last, this TGW program for jobs Americans "just won't do" is also disingenuous. That guarantees wages will stay in the toilet, because Americans just won't do jobs that pay less than a survivable wage - if they have any choice. If not, they're still competing for a race to the lowest possible wage.
At any rate, I'm not happy because it's not very different than we did last time, and now there are at least 11-12 more people here illegally. What's going to stop that from happening again going forward?
I'm kind of in agreement with you and Rico (saw his post before I replied to this one).

I don't see enough to stop the flow of illegal immigration and I don't like the idea of a path to citizenship at all.

It just seems like after all this time arguing about it both sides are so eager to get immigration off the table that no one is willing to the hard work of thinking the thing all the way through.

Getting the illegal workforce documented is a positive step even though there will be a negative impact on wages, but if we're going to be stuck with a path to citizenship (which it looks like we are) I would like to see more effort put into reducing the number of new arrivals.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#97748 Jan 29, 2013
I see the judge it mast*rbater is on the prowl.

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

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#97749 Jan 29, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
I see the judge it mast*rbater is on the prowl.
And appearently in a really bad mood.
Jason Mattera Rules

Riverside, CA

#97750 Jan 29, 2013
MSNBC's Finney Warns 'Crazy Crackers On The Right' About 'Hateful Language' On Immigration

By Matt Vespa | January 29, 2013 | 16:45

As the immigration reform debate heats up in Washington, liberals seem to think that they have a free rein to say whatever they want against people who are skeptical of the proposals on the table. That’s exactly what happened on this afternoon’s broadcast of Now with Alex Wagner, with MSNBC contributor and former Democratic National Committee communications director Karen Finney charging that the “crazy crackers on the right” would doom the GOP in this immigration debate.

Yes, Finney used a derogatory, racist term for white people in a segment in which Republicans were chided for allegedly dehumanizing Hispanics with terms like "illegal immigrant" and "anchor babies." Of course, Finney, a board member of abortion lobby group NARAL Pro-Choice America knows a thing or two about dehumanizing innocents.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-vespa/2013/...

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#97751 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
And appearently in a really bad mood.
O well.. he can change the judge it's all day but he cannot change what we think about his sad life.
Jason Mattera Rules

Riverside, CA

#97752 Jan 29, 2013
Katie Pavlich vs. Christy Setzer Debate Jason Mattera Bloomberg Video

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#97754 Jan 29, 2013
Don't report me for this... just enjoy it and laugh!!!

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Since: Jun 10

San Ramon, CA

#97755 Jan 29, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
I see the judge it mast*rbater is on the prowl.
LOL! That's all they have left.

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#97756 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
I found this about Obama's proposals.
Still looking it over myself.
Transcript: President Obama's Immigration Reform Outline
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/...
Not happy. If people think this will pass Congress, the borders will look like a traffic jam in the coming months. The promise of a way to earn citizenship (even if you get here next week, there are NO restrictions) is a deal breaker for me. There are no distinctions made for who may earn the pathway - except for criminals, and criminals have never had a pathway - so, no changes there.

This proposal does NOTHING for displaced American workers, and actually keeps the ones who were left behind even further behind the soon to be "former" illegals who replaced them. They're still on the outside looking in, and if wages do increase, they'll increase for the very people who replaced them.

I suppose I must acknowledge I am pouting and will oppose this plan. The worst part of this is I can't find anything in the plan that discourages future illegal immigration while it does guarantee that we'll very likely be receiving extended family members, many who probably have no skills or education themselves and whose options will be in the low wage sectors when they do get here.

Can you say "ongoing glut" - continuing low wages (maybe a tiny bit better, but low so long as more low skilled or unskilled folks keep turning up through expedited family reunification).

There are other parts of the proposal with which I have no disagreement (keeping graduates of our schools, affording pathway to citizenship to Dream Act candidates, making entry easier for those wishing to start businesses). But, the overall plan is a bummer as far as I'm concerned, because EVERYBODY not criminal qualifies, and it will have an impact on Social Security and Medicare that we can ill afford as well as welfare programs once LPR is earned.

Did I get any part of that wrong or miss something?

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#97757 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
I found this about Obama's proposals.
Still looking it over myself.
Transcript: President Obama's Immigration Reform Outline
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/...
Thank you Jaxxon, I'll read up on it.

“Tutte le strade portano a Roma”

Since: Nov 09

Mount Vesuvius

#97758 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
I found this about Obama's proposals.
Still looking it over myself.
Transcript: President Obama's Immigration Reform Outline
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/...
Thanks for posting the link Jaxxon,
I don't like what I've read so far, too many loopholes too easy to qualify for amnesty, besides the additional costs of higher education for "dreamers" will handcuff a public university system that's currently operating on a shoestring budget.
They need to fine tune this proposal, it won't pass in its current draft.....That's how I feel about it.

“Tutte le strade portano a Roma”

Since: Nov 09

Mount Vesuvius

#97759 Jan 29, 2013
They also need to immediately declare that only those who have been here illegally prior to let's say 2010 are elligible for amnesty.
We then would discourage potential amnesty seekers from flooding our Country.

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#97761 Jan 29, 2013
Vorenus wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for posting the link Jaxxon,
I don't like what I've read so far, too many loopholes too easy to qualify for amnesty, besides the additional costs of higher education for "dreamers" will handcuff a public university system that's currently operating on a shoestring budget.
They need to fine tune this proposal, it won't pass in its current draft.....That's how I feel about it.
V, you had said that you were going to discuss education as relates to illegal immigration. This would be a good time, if you don't mind, to discuss that part of it. Frankly, I hadn't tuned into it, and you seem to be in the loop. Thanks.

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

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#97762 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Not happy. If people think this will pass Congress, the borders will look like a traffic jam in the coming months. The promise of a way to earn citizenship (even if you get here next week, there are NO restrictions) is a deal breaker for me. There are no distinctions made for who may earn the pathway - except for criminals, and criminals have never had a pathway - so, no changes there.
This proposal does NOTHING for displaced American workers, and actually keeps the ones who were left behind even further behind the soon to be "former" illegals who replaced them. They're still on the outside looking in, and if wages do increase, they'll increase for the very people who replaced them.
I suppose I must acknowledge I am pouting and will oppose this plan. The worst part of this is I can't find anything in the plan that discourages future illegal immigration while it does guarantee that we'll very likely be receiving extended family members, many who probably have no skills or education themselves and whose options will be in the low wage sectors when they do get here.
Can you say "ongoing glut" - continuing low wages (maybe a tiny bit better, but low so long as more low skilled or unskilled folks keep turning up through expedited family reunification).
There are other parts of the proposal with which I have no disagreement (keeping graduates of our schools, affording pathway to citizenship to Dream Act candidates, making entry easier for those wishing to start businesses). But, the overall plan is a bummer as far as I'm concerned, because EVERYBODY not criminal qualifies, and it will have an impact on Social Security and Medicare that we can ill afford as well as welfare programs once LPR is earned.
Did I get any part of that wrong or miss something?
The "fact sheet" I've been reading seems to be heavy on rhetoric and a little light on the facts.

All generalities and talking points and positively glowing about what a brilliant "common sense" plan this is.

Makes me suspicious from the start.

I'd like to see something in writing that explains exactly how they plan to accomplish the things they're talking about.

Any idea where a person could find something like that? Just the facts without all the editorial.

“Tutte le strade portano a Roma”

Since: Nov 09

Mount Vesuvius

#97763 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Not happy. If people think this will pass Congress, the borders will look like a traffic jam in the coming months. The promise of a way to earn citizenship (even if you get here next week, there are NO restrictions) is a deal breaker for me. There are no distinctions made for who may earn the pathway - except for criminals, and criminals have never had a pathway - so, no changes there.
This proposal does NOTHING for displaced American workers, and actually keeps the ones who were left behind even further behind the soon to be "former" illegals who replaced them. They're still on the outside looking in, and if wages do increase, they'll increase for the very people who replaced them.
I suppose I must acknowledge I am pouting and will oppose this plan. The worst part of this is I can't find anything in the plan that discourages future illegal immigration while it does guarantee that we'll very likely be receiving extended family members, many who probably have no skills or education themselves and whose options will be in the low wage sectors when they do get here.
Can you say "ongoing glut" - continuing low wages (maybe a tiny bit better, but low so long as more low skilled or unskilled folks keep turning up through expedited family reunification).
There are other parts of the proposal with which I have no disagreement (keeping graduates of our schools, affording pathway to citizenship to Dream Act candidates, making entry easier for those wishing to start businesses). But, the overall plan is a bummer as far as I'm concerned, because EVERYBODY not criminal qualifies, and it will have an impact on Social Security and Medicare that we can ill afford as well as welfare programs once LPR is earned.
Did I get any part of that wrong or miss something?
Excellent summation NTR, the current proposal comes at a steep price, and would further marginalize our citizens now living in poverty, God knows we've neglected our mentally ill as well....

Gotta go, I'll be looking forward to reading what many have to say about the proposal later tonight.

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#97764 Jan 29, 2013
Vorenus wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for posting the link Jaxxon,
I don't like what I've read so far, too many loopholes too easy to qualify for amnesty, besides the additional costs of higher education for "dreamers" will handcuff a public university system that's currently operating on a shoestring budget.
They need to fine tune this proposal, it won't pass in its current draft.....That's how I feel about it.
I'm getting the same thing out of it and to be honest I expected to feel a little more optimistic about the whole thing at this point.

“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97766 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Not happy. If people think this will pass Congress, the borders will look like a traffic jam in the coming months. The promise of a way to earn citizenship (even if you get here next week, there are NO restrictions) is a deal breaker for me. There are no distinctions made for who may earn the pathway - except for criminals, and criminals have never had a pathway - so, no changes there.
This proposal does NOTHING for displaced American workers, and actually keeps the ones who were left behind even further behind the soon to be "former" illegals who replaced them. They're still on the outside looking in, and if wages do increase, they'll increase for the very people who replaced them.
I suppose I must acknowledge I am pouting and will oppose this plan. The worst part of this is I can't find anything in the plan that discourages future illegal immigration while it does guarantee that we'll very likely be receiving extended family members, many who probably have no skills or education themselves and whose options will be in the low wage sectors when they do get here.
Can you say "ongoing glut" - continuing low wages (maybe a tiny bit better, but low so long as more low skilled or unskilled folks keep turning up through expedited family reunification).
There are other parts of the proposal with which I have no disagreement (keeping graduates of our schools, affording pathway to citizenship to Dream Act candidates, making entry easier for those wishing to start businesses). But, the overall plan is a bummer as far as I'm concerned, because EVERYBODY not criminal qualifies, and it will have an impact on Social Security and Medicare that we can ill afford as well as welfare programs once LPR is earned.
Did I get any part of that wrong or miss something?
It is almost carbon copy to your plan. Now you are gonna cry about it?

WTF??????

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#97767 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
The "fact sheet" I've been reading seems to be heavy on rhetoric and a little light on the facts.
All generalities and talking points and positively glowing about what a brilliant "common sense" plan this is.
Makes me suspicious from the start.
I'd like to see something in writing that explains exactly how they plan to accomplish the things they're talking about.
Any idea where a person could find something like that? Just the facts without all the editorial.
There has to be formal legislation to pick it up I believe. The President also outlined "principles" without specifics, and that would make me believe the legislation itself is not yet available for the specifics. I didn't find anything other than the outline at Whitehouse.gov except an outline from 2011 - IF that's the same proposal, and I'm not clear that it is, so I didn't read it.

The outline of the Committee of 8 from Congress is accessible on Rollcall:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/immigration_deal...

In unveiling a set of principles for enhancing border security, providing a pathway to citizenship and creating an employee verification system, the eight senators noted they still have to actually write the bill.

..........
Regardless, Obama is recommending and promoting a broad blanket amnesty, and I have serious reservations that something of that nature CAN pass Congress even on a straight up vote. I will oppose it.

“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97768 Jan 29, 2013
-- 0ld Man -- wrote:
<quoted text>
Very true my dear.
Keep on keeping!
You've been reported chickenshit.
You keep on sniffing my azz though. LOL

I would copy your avatar, but I am not a tranny like you, X-Man aka STV aka azzhole. LMAO

“Je Suis Charlie”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#97769 Jan 29, 2013
-- OId Man -- wrote:
<quoted text>
It is almost carbon copy to your plan. Now you are gonna cry about it?
WTF??????
It is NOTHING like my plan. You never understood what I proposed in the first place. Never. I made distinctions fro the beginning, and the possibility of some (long term residents and the EMPLOYED TAX CONTRIBUTORS AND FILERS) converting to TGW status. Beyond that, I'm not opposed to the Dreamers, because they came as children at the whims of parents. They had no choice. We've educated them, and this is the only home most of them know.

If you can't follow what was outlined, bow out bozo. Thank you.

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