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Chiropractor treats body and soul in Jamaica

There are 27 comments on the Hawk Eye story from Nov 17, 2009, titled Chiropractor treats body and soul in Jamaica. In it, Hawk Eye reports that:

While most doctors venture to Jamaica to get away from the pressures of caring for patients, Tom Rexroth will be doing just the opposite as he visits the Caribbean island this week.

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Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Nov 20, 2009
"The chiropractic missionaries don't need an X-ray machine or other modern equipment to treat misaligned spines.,,,,, help relieve a wide range of maladies from headaches to back pain to intestinal problems, Rexroth said, "If we can determine what is wrong, we can adjust them. An adjustment means putting the bones back in place and getting the pressure off the nerves," Rexroth said.

"The last time I was there (Jamaica), there were four chiropractors and we adjusted 1,100 people," Rexroth said.

After each person has been adjusted, a minister talks with them about Jesus and God's message of salvation.

"We've kind of earned the right, by giving them care, to talk to them about their eternal condition," Rexroth said."

Ah yes, no need for x-rays or other modern equipment, cause really, why would the chiropractors want to know if their conditions are something that can't be helped by cracking their spines? Why wold they want to know if those unsuspecting people have tumors or renal issues that are causing their problems? Why would the chiropractors want to know if those people have diabetes or other serious conditions?

Rack and crack 'em, known as the "million dollar roll" in chiropractic circles is apparently alive and well.

You'd think the chiropractic governing bodies would put an end to this kind of "bar room" adjusting.

The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied.

And please stop with "we can treat intestinal problems " by cracking spines. I mean really, how bizarre.
DallasDO

United States

#2 Nov 21, 2009
I am an osteopath from the Dallas, Texas area. I've read many of the anti-chiropractic postings here. Some are quite childish if not disturbing.
I've been practicing medicine for almost 17 years. As an osteopath I also perform many types of manipulations. We don't say we remove subluxations as chirpractors do when they adjust the spine, but it is manipulation nonetheless. As an internal medicine physician, I try to limit the number of prescriptions I write. I keep up with the literature, but there are so many dangerous drug interactions that no one can adequately predict treatment outcome or side effects. That's why I rely mostly on a drugless approach with my patients. I use a lot of manipulation and have seen outstanding results, patient after patient.
I would dismiss the unprofessional ramblings of such posters as the person who calls himself Wisdom. I don't know what he does or anything of his background, but he does not represent the views of anyone I know in the medical profession. Wisdom goes out of his way to distant himself from health care professionals and strives to fracture any attempt of unity between allopathic and chiropractic physicians.
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#3 Nov 21, 2009
Oh really "dallasdo". I try to "distance myself from health care professionals"?

Mild spinal manipulation has its place. I am the expert on the chiropractic enterprise. there is a reason you " don't say we remove subluxations as chiropractors do when they adjust the spine." That's because the medical and scientific communities have denounced and dismissed the idea that "chiropractic subluxations" cause disease.

You know as well as I do that the osteopathic profession has gotten away from their original contentions that "misaligned vertebrae cause circulatory interruption and ill health.

Spinal manipulation has its place but there is no evidence that it is effective for "intestinal disorders", no matter what you try to imply.

Its seems you are defending the chiropractors in the above article who racked and cracked innocent people without the benefit of a thorough examination or "modern tests, such as x-ray and blood work".

I know you don't practice that way. For good reason.
Diggs

Lakeland, FL

#4 Nov 21, 2009
DallasDO

Your comments are why I choose to have a DO as my primary care physician. I really respect and like DO's and really appreciate the fact that they include natural treatment options for patients.

Wisdom has an agenda on this forum. My father always told me that if you go looking for a fight you will always find one. He posts are so negative and he seem to really enjoy calling Chiropractors all sorts of names and spreading fear and false information about Chiropractors. It is just sick with some of the stuff he comes up with. Then he wonders why Chiropractors attack back and then even suggests that everyone else is name calling.

To put the record straight for wisdom I will put into words how most Chiropractors see things.

MD/DO are the highest trained physicians and are responsible for saving lives and are the most qualified physicians we have.

DC's are also important as they offer options for patients that do not respond to MD/DO tx. They also provide a valuable option for patients looking for wellness based preventive primary care. That is they can offer patients many options and should be included on a patients primary care team. They also used more for primary care services and have more opportunity to shawdow MD/DO in hospitals settings as well as have an option to do a limited residency in teaching hospitals under the supervision of MD/DO. As this would only increase patient safety and care and build more respect and better relationships with MD/DO. Personally I find DO's to be the most respectful towards DC's.

Then we have acupuncturists (licensed) they should also be included on a PCP team, as they can offer options to patients that have not responded to anything else. They can also increase the MD/DO/DC success of tx and reduce the side effects of prescriptions. They also offer valuable preventative medicine options. They also have a DAOM program and the profession is growing. I personally have seen patients that were told to get their house in order as the end was near and are still hear today because of a OMD. Not to mention that it has been around for what 5000 years.

Then we have ND (naturopathic physicians) who are experts in natural medicine and also perform minor surgery and have prescriptive rights. They also should be on a patients PCP team.

We also have to mention NP/PA/RN/DPT and the whole HC team.

This is what our national healthcare should look like.

The more ears and eyes and options that patient have, the better the outcomes and quality of life.
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#5 Nov 22, 2009
yeah "diggs", then we have chiroquackers who travel to third world countries and "rack and crack" thousands of innocent and unsuspecting people without the benefit of x-rays, lab tests or other "modern procedures".

That is the definition of quackery.

If you want to let a chiropractor rack and crack your back without the benefit of diagnostic testing, that's your business, and quite frankly, your risk.

You want to have a chiropractor rack and crack your spine for treatment of a visceral disorder, that's your risk. That's also quackery.

The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied. Stop defending such chiropractic nonsense.
GUMP

Lakeland, FL

#6 Nov 22, 2009
Hey I see botty boy running his mouth about LIFE university again? Hmmmmmmm

Just because you do not know how to diff diagnosis does not mean that everyone else is as clueless as yourself. How many patients did you see that you did not diagnosis correctly? Hmmmmm

Not a good thing botty boy not good at all.

The fact remains that Chiropractors can diff diagnosis just as competent as any other physician. Yes they may not have the residency behind them, and yes MD/DO are more versed. But that does not mean that a DC cannot diff diagnosis correctly. Come on it is not rocket science to diff diagnosis. Sorry botty boy but you call the kettle black again? Hmmmm

Wisdom, I think most Chiropractors could run cirlces around you, infact I know they could.

Baines, I like the idea of Chiropractic internists, esp in states that do not license ND's. It will keep org medicine in check and provide other options for patients.
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Nov 23, 2009
gump said, "The fact remains that Chiropractors can diff diagnosis just as competent as any other physician. Yes they may not have the residency behind them,....."

Ha ha Ha

I mean really, is there anything else that has to be said.

Except of course, for once "gump", you were honest. Thank you. Chiropractors have virtually no clinical experience in examining, diagnosing or treating sick or injured patients before they graduate.

Wow, I'm sure that was a load off your shoulders. It must feel pretty good to be honest for once, huh gumper?

Those of us in the real medical world of course, saw thousands of real patients before we finished our education.

But let me get this straight. You would go to a chiropractor for a diagnosis of any serious condition, knowing that the chiropractor lacks any real clinical experience?

Really? Are you that stupid? Well, that was rhetorical.
L Baines

AOL

#8 Nov 23, 2009
Wisdom wrote:
gump said, "The fact remains that Chiropractors can diff diagnosis just as competent as any other physician. Yes they may not have the residency behind them,....."
Ha ha Ha
I mean really, is there anything else that has to be said.
Except of course, for once "gump", you were honest. Thank you. Chiropractors have virtually no clinical experience in examining, diagnosing or treating sick or injured patients before they graduate.
Wow, I'm sure that was a load off your shoulders. It must feel pretty good to be honest for once, huh gumper?
Those of us in the real medical world of course, saw thousands of real patients before we finished our education.
But let me get this straight. You would go to a chiropractor for a diagnosis of any serious condition, knowing that the chiropractor lacks any real clinical experience?
Really? Are you that stupid? Well, that was rhetorical.
Yes, please do. Wisdom boy, tell us... tell us all why you hate children so much. Were you bullied by one as a kid? Why do you hate poor, disadvantaged children? Why do you like to see them suffer? I can't figure it out. Oh, wait...I think I know.
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#9 Nov 23, 2009
baines, why do you crack children's spines without any reason? Why do you crack children's spines without the benefit of x-rays, blood work or other modern technoology?

Why did you and the other chiropractors travel to third world countries to push your cult nonsense?

Do you treat your own patients in a similar manner?

Do you still claim that you cured intestinal disorders by cracking children's spines? What exactly are the diseases that you claimed to have cured by cracking their spines? Why did you feel that those "poor" people did not have to get cracked 3 X per week for a year like you keep your own patients coming in? Hmmmm?

Please baines, you've already exposed yourself as a classic quack.

I appreciate it. Your juvenile posts are terrific examples of the chiropractic mentalitiy.
Giglenutz

Lakeland, FL

#10 Nov 23, 2009
You Mr. Wisdom are a complete fraud. Your posts show just how stupid you really are. You would not last one minute in a debate with a very good chiropractic doctor. The medical community is still trying to disprove subluxation theory. They have fell short of this goal for over a hundred years now.

Diggs is correct about Dr. Winsor a medical physician whose work was dismissed by his fellow peers. In his work he found a link in autopsy to every disease present in the subjects. This link was to subluxations.

I find it quite disturbing that medical physicians still think that pharmacueticals are the answer to every ill. Now drug companines are finding it harder to beat what they term placebo effect in clinical trials.

It is very clear that they have been misled into this for profit money making enterprise. The body has the ability to heal from within. But the drug companies want to take credit for it.

What about the crimes against humanity in concentration camps in the second war? Did Mr. wisdom know that is was a pharmacuetical company that designed the gas chambers?

You see wisdom you cannot fool everyone. Nice try but you have not been successful at this.

Why won't you talk about the problems with organized medicine? Why have you not once responded to posts about the vioxx scandal? Two people can play that game.

Do you really think that every medical physician is untouchable from mistakes and misdiagnosis? Their malpractice rates do not show this.

I think it is comical that you people attack chiropractic, yet provide no proof or studies to support what you are trying to sell to the public.

If you are a medical physician in the hospital, I sure hope that no chiropractor every has to rely on you. As you hatred and words seem to be very dangerous to be working in any hospital setting.

One day your fraud will catch up to you.

Meanwhile chiropractors will continue to enjoy public support and continue to save lives.

I would like this wisdom character to provide just one study that will show that subluxatons do not exist.

But he will continue to avoid this as he knows he cannot.
L Baines

AOL

#11 Nov 24, 2009
Isn't it amazing how Wisdom, the complete nut job, and world class liar, calls out posters for 'bashing' medicine (drug overdoses, hospital deaths, etc) yet all Wisdom does is bash chiropractic! And Wisdom isn't right about a single thing he says about chiropractic. Why? Because Wisdom only knows how to lie. You see, losers must lie. Losers, who are chronic failures, like Wisdom, MUST justify their pitiful existence by lying. How else could they fall asleep at night? Lying is Wisdom's tonic. He can't afford a psychiatrist, therefore he must tell the big lie---like Hitler did. You see, if you repeat the same lie over and over again, like Wisdom does, then it sounds like the truth to OTHER fanatics. Sane, rational people, laugh at clowns like Wisdom. Can you imagine the ego on this nut job, Wisdom? First, he's an expert bible banger. "I AM the chiropractic expert." See? Who else, but a frustrated egomaniac, who is also a loser, would say that about himself. No one else thinks he's an expert EXCEPT himself. Why? Because Wisdom IS NOT an expert on chiropractic. He is not a chiropractor. He is not an MD. He has NO degrees. He knows how to copy and paste propaganda. And that's all he knows. Wisdom IS the LYING KING! Hooray for the Lying KING!
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#12 Nov 24, 2009
"nutjob" said, "The medical community is still trying to disprove subluxation theory. They have fell short of this goal for over a hundred years now."

ha ha Ummm, NO, they are not. The medical community doesn't give a rats ass about the "subluxation".

Keep dreaming. You have quite an imagination. And lots of paranoia.

"nuts" then said, "I find it quite disturbing that medical physicians still think that pharmacueticals are the answer to every ill."

No they do NOT!. Just how stupid are you? Wait, you must be a chiropractor.

Then "nuts" said, "What about the crimes against humanity in concentration camps in the second war? Did Mr. wisdom know that is was a pharmacuetical company that designed the gas chambers?"

Anymore need be said.? These chiropractors and their defenders are the most ignorant of all.

Next time you quacks need surgery or lifesaving medications please just stay home and remain true to your "ideals". That "pharmaceutical companies are evil".

I rest my case. These are chiropractic posts at their "finest".

Anyway, back to work. Using pharmaceuticals, among other interventions, to save lives and help patients lead more productive lives.
L Baines

AOL

#13 Nov 24, 2009
Wisdom wrote:
"nutjob" said, "The medical community is still trying to disprove subluxation theory. They have fell short of this goal for over a hundred years now."
ha ha Ummm, NO, they are not. The medical community doesn't give a rats ass about the "subluxation".
Keep dreaming. You have quite an imagination. And lots of paranoia.
"nuts" then said, "I find it quite disturbing that medical physicians still think that pharmacueticals are the answer to every ill."
No they do NOT!. Just how stupid are you? Wait, you must be a chiropractor.
Then "nuts" said, "What about the crimes against humanity in concentration camps in the second war? Did Mr. wisdom know that is was a pharmacuetical company that designed the gas chambers?"
Anymore need be said.? These chiropractors and their defenders are the most ignorant of all.
Next time you quacks need surgery or lifesaving medications please just stay home and remain true to your "ideals". That "pharmaceutical companies are evil".
I rest my case. These are chiropractic posts at their "finest".
Anyway, back to work. Using pharmaceuticals, among other interventions, to save lives and help patients lead more productive lives.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH. Back to work! That's RICH! Wisdom wants us all to believe he's a doctor of some sort! LIAR! hahahahahahahHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAHAHA. Good one! Great one! hahahahahahahah LIAR! ahahaahahahahaahhaahh Wisdom is NOT, I repeat, NOT a doctor of ANY description. Just a liar. But thanks for a good laugh. Wisdom IS, IS, ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, IZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, the THE THE THE LYING KINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!
Giglenutz

Lakeland, FL

#14 Nov 24, 2009
Wisdom, your personal attacks as so expected.
My name is not nuts, is is Giglenutz (Swedish) to be exact.

Do you claim that a company (pharmaceutic) was not responsible for design of some concentration camps? If so then you are completely clueless about European history. Just do the research for yourself, this is a well known fact in Europe. Which you are definitely not an expert on.

So stop you name calling and act as a physician if you really are one. Which by your posts do not show you are.

So why has the medical community not looked into subluxations? I thought all scientists were investigators. What about Dr. Winsors study, why do you avoid this question? You must not really be a Chiropractic expert.

It is a fact that if the neurological system is compromised it will you itself systemically. You as a PhD in neuro should know this. I have heard fellows like yourself dispute this by saying well the heart still beats and the body still can survive. Really, up to the standards of normal everyday functioning? I think not, that is why we have nurses in LTC why have to feed these patients and take care of them. The fact is that when neuro integrity has been compromised, the body will not function normally and in turn disease will follow.

It is clear from your posts that even after Med school and residency and a susposed PhD, that you still do not understand the human body.

Why don't we discuss placebo and current research projects that have hard time beating the so called placebo. Placebo is clear evidence that the body can heal itself, is it not?

Why does wisdom avoid debate about the vioxx scandal? How many people died due to this? Come on wisdom, your in the hot seat, speak up.

You would not last one round in a real ER, and I sure hope you do not see patients as I would fear for their lives.

You comments just go to prove how little you know about subluxation and I find it comical that you in the medical field just avoid the obvious thing to do and conduct more research. What the problem is, is the almighty dollar and big pharma controls everything you can do and say.

Need I say more
L Baines

AOL

#15 Nov 25, 2009
Giglenutz wrote:
Wisdom, your personal attacks as so expected.
My name is not nuts, is is Giglenutz (Swedish) to be exact.
Do you claim that a company (pharmaceutic) was not responsible for design of some concentration camps? If so then you are completely clueless about European history. Just do the research for yourself, this is a well known fact in Europe. Which you are definitely not an expert on.
So stop you name calling and act as a physician if you really are one. Which by your posts do not show you are.
So why has the medical community not looked into subluxations? I thought all scientists were investigators. What about Dr. Winsors study, why do you avoid this question? You must not really be a Chiropractic expert.
It is a fact that if the neurological system is compromised it will you itself systemically. You as a PhD in neuro should know this. I have heard fellows like yourself dispute this by saying well the heart still beats and the body still can survive. Really, up to the standards of normal everyday functioning? I think not, that is why we have nurses in LTC why have to feed these patients and take care of them. The fact is that when neuro integrity has been compromised, the body will not function normally and in turn disease will follow.
It is clear from your posts that even after Med school and residency and a susposed PhD, that you still do not understand the human body.
Why don't we discuss placebo and current research projects that have hard time beating the so called placebo. Placebo is clear evidence that the body can heal itself, is it not?
Why does wisdom avoid debate about the vioxx scandal? How many people died due to this? Come on wisdom, your in the hot seat, speak up.
You would not last one round in a real ER, and I sure hope you do not see patients as I would fear for their lives.
You comments just go to prove how little you know about subluxation and I find it comical that you in the medical field just avoid the obvious thing to do and conduct more research. What the problem is, is the almighty dollar and big pharma controls everything you can do and say.
Need I say more
Wisdom is nothing but a liar and a fraud. Wisdom clearly states that chiropractors treat kidney failure in their offices. Man, he was right! Every chiropractic yellow page ad mentions: Come on in! We Treat Renal Failure. No Waiting!
See how Wisdom lies? See how Wisdom strives to deceive? That's all this nut job Wisdom does. Wisdom is a chronic liar. He has no degrees. Wisdom has NO credentials of any description. He's simply a creepy little man who has an abnormal fetish with baby diapers. Ichhhhhhhhhhhh. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww. What a creep--this Wisdom nut job. Wisdom needs to hire a good psychiatrist. Fast!
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Nov 25, 2009
"nutz", despite what you clam, the medical community does not give the "chiropractic subluxation" any thought.

I'm not claiming anything about concentration camps. There is no relevance there.

Yes sometimes the body heals itself. Obviously. I know they teach that as some kind of justification for chiropractic. It is not.

You mentioned Vioxx? Vioxx is irrelevant to chiropractic and any chiropractic technique. Period.

Pharmaceutical companies spend up to a billion dollars researching new medications. Are they perfect? NO. Have they saved billions of lives? Yes.
Is this relevant to chiropractic? NO.

Do chiropractors do extensive,(any) research before claiming that their techniques/treatments work? Don't make me laugh.

Bashing medicine is classic chiropractic. Taught early in chiropractic schools.

The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied.
L Baines

AOL

#17 Nov 25, 2009
Wisdom wrote:
"nutz", despite what you clam, the medical community does not give the "chiropractic subluxation" any thought.
I'm not claiming anything about concentration camps. There is no relevance there.
Yes sometimes the body heals itself. Obviously. I know they teach that as some kind of justification for chiropractic. It is not.
You mentioned Vioxx? Vioxx is irrelevant to chiropractic and any chiropractic technique. Period.
Pharmaceutical companies spend up to a billion dollars researching new medications. Are they perfect? NO. Have they saved billions of lives? Yes.
Is this relevant to chiropractic? NO.
Do chiropractors do extensive,(any) research before claiming that their techniques/treatments work? Don't make me laugh.
Bashing medicine is classic chiropractic. Taught early in chiropractic schools.
The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied.
Yep! Wisdom was right about chiropractors--again! I just checked in the Yellow Pages under 'chiropractors' and, yep, every ad said: "Free Renal Failure Screening." Wisdom was right. Every chiropractor treats kidney disease MUCH more than back pain or other musculo-skeletal disorders. The next biggest headline in these same Yellow Page ads is Heart Disease. Then comes diabetes and prostate cancer. Yep, Wisdom was right. Just look at all of these chiropractic Yellow Page ads. Wisdom was right when he clearly stated chiropractors treat kidney failure in record numbers. Man, is he good!
Do you now see what a liar Wisdom is? Just write this nut job off as a loser and call it a day. Wisdom needs to empty his over flowing lying diaper.
Giglenutz

Lakeland, FL

#18 Nov 25, 2009
Wisdom you as a medical professional (this you claim) you are, have the duty to speak about the vioxx scandal. This is the oath you took is it not? Chiropractic was not part of the oath.

Yes the body does heal itself, not just sometimes but all the time.

Some drugs like antibiotics are important, but over prescribed and now we have resistance.

You are will one day face the piper for your lies until then, you will not serve humanity by attacking people you do not even know.

The reason you use this forum to do this, is because if you did in public, you would be sued and loose your license if you indeed do posses one.
Wisdom

Brooklyn, NY

#19 Nov 25, 2009
Ummm, NO "nutz" I did not take an oath to speak to you about "vioxx"."nutz " show his ignorance by saying, "Yes the body does heal itself, not just sometimes but all the time."

Ummm, NO, it does not.

"nutz" said, "The reason you use this forum to do this, is because if you did in public, you would be sued and loose your license if you indeed do posses one."

"nutz". Its called free speech.

By the way, what specifically do you think I said that is not factual?
L Baines

AOL

#20 Nov 26, 2009
Here's some fodder for Wisdom (he'll make a great comment on this one, watch). Uh, humm (I had to clear my throat).
I am a chiropractor. I have a cash practice. In the last two days I collected (in cash and one check)$2,978.00. I know it's not a fortune over two days, but I sometimes do this in one day. I have two part time employees (very part time). My office is not fancy, but it's clean and professional. I mostly treat carpal tunnel syndrome. I am having the time of my life in practice. There is NOTHING better than being a chiropractor--especially since I'm fairly successful. Yes, Wisdom. I collected nearly three grand (cash) in a little over a day at my small office. I have very low overhead. Very low. Too bad you're not having fun like I am.

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