Wintry Chaos Snarls Roads, Travel In Europe

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Blizzards and freezing temperatures shut down runways, train tracks and highways across Europe on Saturday, disrupting flights and leaving shivering drivers stranded on roadsides.

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-John-

Burbank, CA

#1 Dec 19, 2010
Climate change is on the way.
Blunt Mocker

London, UK

#2 Dec 19, 2010
-John- wrote:
Climate change is on the way.
no, it is winter. The only shock is to cretins who believed Al Gore. he said that England would , by now, be as hot as the Costa del Sol. His followers said we would have no more snow here, and that we would have droughts in the summer . Instead, we had floods, and plenty of snow. If like me, you never believed these frauds, a cold winter isn't a big shock. There have been worse in my lifetime.

“A difficult man to get on with”

Since: Sep 10

London,U.K.

#3 Dec 19, 2010
Blunt Mocker wrote:
<quoted text>no, it is winter. If like me, you never believed these frauds, a cold winter isn't a big shock.
Well said! Surely anyone with a brain in their head can work out what`s happening.This planet,which has been around a long time,is,in all probability,on the cusp of yet another quite natural,inevitable and cyclical changeing of the climate.It`s happened before and will continue to happen long after we,as a species,have long gone.(Still makes it a few thousand years off,though.)There is no amount of militant-green,save-the-world, tree-hugging eco-bullshit,or `tuck-up` so-called `green taxes`that will prevent it!Long live free-thinking people everywhere. It`s a bad winter-the snow`s shit-deal with it! Merry Xmas.
Snow Man

Montréal, Canada

#4 Dec 20, 2010
Most of Europe lives in the dark ages except Germany.
DMC

Rushden, UK

#5 Dec 20, 2010
While it can be quite funny reading comments by people who have no knowledge of climate change science, other than the often misinformation provided by the media, it is also very, very worrying.

To start with, I'd like to point out that 99% of climate scientists believe that the global warming is taking place, and a large proportion of those believe that it is anthropogenic. Unfortunately, the media report this debate to the general public like it is 50:50 split. It is not. Not even close. However, I guess this is what happens when oil giants can dictate policy in the USA, and can deliver enough of their propaganda to make the public and politicians question genuine findings.

While the warming might not be new, it is the rate of warming that gives us cause for concern. The rate of warming is, as far as we can determine, unprecedented. This is a big topic, and you should go elsewhere to get a better summary - try www.realclimate.org . The other thing to not, is that in terms of the Quaternary period glacial-interglacial cycles, we started our warming cycle (the Holocene) about 11,000 years ago. The general pattern since the mid-Pleistocene is for glacials lasting 100,000 years, followed by interglacials (warmer periods) lasting approx. 10,000 years. The 20th and 21st century warming we have experienced seems to be "extra".

I should point out that climate is the average conditions of weather, typically measured over at least a decade. The IPCC actually predict more severe and frequent extreme weather events, including flooding, droughts etc.

The weather (and sub-decadal scale climate fluctuations) in northwestern Europe is largely determined by conditions associated with the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), which depends on the position of high and low pressure systems in the North Atlantic. These vary between positive (milder winters like in recent years) and negative (colder) phases. The result of changes in positions of these pressure systems determines the strength of the westerlies that bring warm air to the UK, and keep us warmer by about 8 degrees C than places at the same latitude as us in the USA. So, we will probably have cold, snowy winters like this for a few more years, before reverting back to milder conditions. The NAO is a sub-decadal climate fluctuation. A bit like the more well known El Nino Southern Oscillation in the Pacific. There are numerous internal feedbacks and external drivers of climate change. Climate scientists, oceanographers, glaciologists etc. work to isolate the causes of climate change (recent and reconstructed past changes). However, the complexity of the system prevents it from being an exact science.

Eventually, though perhaps not for hundreds or thousands of years, the warming will probably result in a sudden North Atlantic cooling. As the North Atlantic becomes diluted with fresh water from melting Greenland ice, ice caps, glaciers, we could see a slow down (or a shutdown) in the rate at which warm water gets transported towards the UK in the North Atlantic Drift. This will result in a cooling of NW Europe. So, a very warm climate can actually lead to a very cold climate.

/END RANT.
Test

Karachi, Pakistan

#7 Dec 21, 2010
Yes John
DMC

Rushden, UK

#8 Dec 21, 2010
Hmmm, you might want to go and check the dates on those. Quoted IPCC predictions are typically for 2100 AD.

I can't imagine why Al Gore would quote figures for 1999 and 2010 when the documentary was made in 2006. Adjectives such as 'huge' don't have a place in science, sorry. Might want to go and check some facts first. Global sea level is rising. Fact. Since 1870, global sea level has risen by nearly 200 mm. Predictions for 2100, range from 180 mm rise to 460 mm. Increases in the rate of global eustatic sea level rise of 1.7 mm/yr to 4 mm/yr. Most of the current rise is due to thermal expansion because the mean GLOBAL temperature is getting higher.

There are a range of predictions, each with different emission scenarios, and levels of confidence. An Inconvenient Truth was inappropriately alarmist. His background as a politician probably led him to believe shock tactics might be the way forward, but as the backlash to this film has proved, this is not the case. The science and the way he presented it wasn't particularly great in his film, but then climate is too complex to try to explain all the interactions, much less summarise into a 90 minute film. As scientists, we provide data to be used by policy makers. If politicians ignore it, that is their prerogative. But they do so at our future expense.

Again, Dud, you are confusing climate and weather. Weather is notoriously hard to predict. 5 days is about the limit for reasonably reliable predictions. I think the Met Office are abandoning making long range forecasting publicly available after getting it wrong in the last couple of years.
DMC

Rushden, UK

#10 Dec 21, 2010
I'm sorry. You seem to have missed my point. I'm not an advocate of Al Gore's film or whatever you want to call it. His documentary, while well intentioned, hasn't been entirely well received in the academic world. In fact, I'd guess there are a large number of people who haven't even seen it.

Given that you have no scientific background in this subject whatsoever, I'm not entirely sure what you're basing all of your Disney propaganda theory on. Go and spend a few years learning about the subject, and then try coming up with a well-informed conclusion.

Well, this is obviously not going to go anywhere, so goodbye.

Since: Jul 12

Japan

#11 Aug 27, 2012
about the subject, and then try coming up with a well-informed conclusion.
Anonymous

Portland, OR

#12 Aug 27, 2012
London england :) <3

Since: Jul 12

UK

#13 Sep 25, 2012
you never believed these frauds, a cold winter isn't a big shock. There have been worse in my lifetime.
climatefools

London, UK

#14 Sep 25, 2012
Climate change? We've been having cold winters and hot summers since forever. They're called SEASONS.

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