Vatican university hosts unusual tattoo conference

Dec 6, 2011 Full story: WOI 23

Tattooed mummies in ancient Egypt, Crusaders who branded their foreheads with crosses, and New Zealand's inked Maori warriors were fodder for an unusual conference at a Vatican university Tuesday on the role of tattoos in shaping identity.

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Herman

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#1 Dec 7, 2011
Now the Vatican City going to tell us King Tut was a catholic.

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#2 Dec 12, 2011
great story...lots of cultures had facial tattoos wayyyyy back.....

great article :)

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#4 Dec 13, 2011
Still have to read it, but on the BBC they had Hard Talk with a controversial(to some ) artist.
Sorry forgot his name.
But amongst pilgrim images (proof of having gone to jeruzalem) of the 13th c CE they used to have dicks with wings, from afar looking like little birds.
The church is an escatalogical smorgasboard.

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#5 Dec 13, 2011
I think they did not look hard enough.
A lot of depictions are described , and if they were made of wood or metal than probably also as a tattoo.
In ireland churched good not be ordained or build unless they had permission by the lady of the land/governess. As proof a depiction of an old lady holding her vagina open was put on churches.
Church as the womb of christ, also.
But here are some new old depictions, specifically to do with christianity and pilgrimage.
http://www.billyandcharlie.com/newcarnival.ht...
YHVH fought Mot, and Golgamesh Huwawa...the later had interesting tattoos.
I can also recall a ban on tattoos for women in the A.N.E..
But indeed not easy to get more information.

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#8 Dec 13, 2011
MAAT wrote:
Great links too..... thanks.

have you much knowledge about bedouins? i have seen only a few images of them, but the females have chin tattoed like the maori womans chin moko.

very interesting....

although i dont know much about bedouins, i'd like to see more and find out a few things about them.... esp the meaning and purpose of those markings....

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#9 Dec 13, 2011
Those are the berber people in morocco and partways Tunesia. Forgot what tribe and area.
What's more interesting is the rice-corn cuts they make one their belly, not unalike the therapeutic tatoos of ancient times.That happens alloever the sahara.
Seen it in a documentary, but have no pictures.
Nowadays most would go for henna.

Berber language, basicly Ashanti/ancient Sahara is also quite interesting, waiting for a good source.

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#10 Dec 13, 2011
Why wait.lol though a few months ago i could find next to nothing. Some quick sources.
http://docs.google.com/viewer...

http://docs.google.com/viewer...

http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/north_africa_t...

I'll check them out tomorrow. a.o.Tamazight culture
i think the last one also has information on the barley or ricecorn patterns.

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#11 Dec 13, 2011
Kaua e rangiruatia te hā o te hoe; e kore tō tātou waka e ū ki uta.

Beautifull land.

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#12 Dec 13, 2011
It translates automatically in strongs. silly board.

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#13 Dec 13, 2011
MAAT wrote:
It translates automatically in strongs. silly board.
lol.... i understood...:) thanks....:)

you have given me a good base to start from...

i have studied facial tattoos from around the pacific, inc asia, india, america, siberia.....

we all had them...i followed the trail all the way around the pacific ocean, indian ocean up the red sea....

its very interesting to me as i wear full facial moko too....

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#15 Dec 15, 2011
full facial moko...respect
The Moko is similar to an identity card, or passport. For men, the Moko showed their rank, their status and their ferocity, or virility. The wearer's position of power and authority could be instantly recognized in his Moko. Certain other outward signs, combined with a particular Moko, could instantly define the "identity card" of a person. For example, a chief with Moko and at the same time wearing a dog cloak could be identified as a person of authority, in charge of warriors.
These were undeniable signs of the "identity card". It would be considered a great insult if the person was not recognized as the chief he was, and this could lead to "utu" - vengeance.
The male facial tattoo - Moko - is generally divided into eight sections :
Ngakaipikirau (rank). The center forehead area
Ngunga (position). Around the brows
Uirere (hapu rank). The eyes and nose area
Uma (first or second marriage). The temples
Raurau (signature). The area under the nose
Taiohou (work). The cheek area
Wairua (mana). The chin
Taitoto (birth status). The jaw
Ancestry is indicated on each side of the face. The left side is generally (but not always, depending on the tribe) the father's side, while the right hand side indicates the mother's ancestry. Descent was a foremost requirement before a Moko could be undertaken.
If one side of a person's ancestry was not of rank, that side of the face would have no Moko design. Likewise if, in the centre forehead area there is no Moko design, this means the wearer either has no rank, or has not inherited rank.
history-nz/ site
NB how dualistic 'good and evil' warped ideas or differ from those in ancient hunter societies on f.i. the dog or snake.

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#16 Dec 15, 2011
And there is Africa to explore and Maria Gimbuktas or on of her students has a website on the old siberian and european language and tatoos on statues or petroglyphs.
The site shows 1/5, so one has to keep shifting, and thus i basicly copied and drew it all in hand.

To me they are clues and links to an older world and of understanding how peoples connected.
Judaism as in not condoning tattoo reflects the character of g-d, everywhere/life/complete itself.
As a god owning a tribe , no tattoo would be a statement as well, in a world where all had them.
Though circumsicion is a remarkably tattoo in itself.
But i would not be surprised if the old did have f.i. a 'hand' tattoo.

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#17 Dec 15, 2011
Adam Rangiaho what does the forehead v||v signify?
It reminds me of a symbol in ancient (7000 BC) languages.

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#18 Dec 15, 2011
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Adam Rangiaho what does the forehead v||v signify?
It reminds me of a symbol in ancient (7000 BC) languages.
the fore head is called an "ipurangi" or heavenly vessel..... its where its where heavenly knowledge is collected.

you can see 6 rays coming from between my eyes and spreading outwards, 3 on each side,...
those rays are called tawhana or tiwhana rays......it denotes rank and such.

http://www.matakite.co.nz/tamoko.html

here are some explainations, but tribes use different words.:) ie they dont call the forehead ipurangi or tawhana, they say, "Ngunga"...still the same tho :)

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#19 Dec 15, 2011
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Adam Rangiaho what does the forehead v||v signify?
It reminds me of a symbol in ancient (7000 BC) languages.
if you look at the symbol for Ra the egyptian sun god, you will see half the pattern i have on my ipurangi.....used under ra's eye...

http://symboldictionary.net/...

maori call this symbol a koru. maori also call the sun god Ra.....

both these symbols are thousands of years old.

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#20 Jun 6, 2012
Time for a revival, or rather addition.
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Tuatara feature in a number of indigenous legends, and are held as ariki (God forms). Tuatara are regarded as the messengers of Whiro, the god of death and disaster, and Māori women are forbidden to eat them.[71] Tuatara also indicate tapu (the borders of what is sacred and restricted),[72] beyond which there is mana, meaning there could be serious consequences if that boundary is crossed.[72] Māori women would sometimes tattoo images of lizards, some of which may represent tuatara, near their genitals.[72] Today, tuatara are regarded as a taonga (special treasure).[73]

The tuatara was featured on one side of the New Zealand five-cent coin, which was phased out in October 2006. Tuatara was also the name of the Journal of the Biological Society of Victoria University College and subsequently Victoria University of Wellington, published from 1947 until 1993. It has now been digitised by the New Zealand Electronic Text Centre, also at Victoria.[74]
end quote
wiki this amazing creature has two eye and a light-sensitive spot.

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#21 Feb 11, 2013
http://www.badhebrew.com/2009/10/guy-who-want...

Having a tattoo with the name of YHWH would imply that you are worshipping a dead god.

This site is about misspelling and other mistakes.

But the interesting thing is that it is the Sumerian symbol for fire in the womb-pregnancy.
With the misspeling it reads:'He shall be pregnant'.

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#22 Feb 22, 2013
Adam Rangiaho wrote:
<quoted text>
Great links too..... thanks.
have you much knowledge about bedouins? i have seen only a few images of them, but the females have chin tattoed like the maori womans chin moko.
very interesting....
although i dont know much about bedouins, i'd like to see more and find out a few things about them.... esp the meaning and purpose of those markings....
This idea of the origin of the graphic signs - i.e in the form of an interaction between a system
of symbols and a script already made up - is not specific to our case. Salem Chaker13, studying
the origin of the Berber script, puts the question - sensitive : borrowing from the Phenician or
indigenous origin ? Without entering in detail of the argumentation of the researcher : after
having noted that in the caballin period a tendency to the development of more and more
simple geometrical forms, Chaker says :
one attends a true drift of graphics towards a register where the stress is less and less
laid on the Signifier, to undoubtedly support the Signified.
This movement of geometrical schematization, obviously endogenous, will place at
the disposal of the representation all the stock of signs and symbols whose multiple
and various combinations will constitute all the iconographic tools of Berber subfigurative
art : tattooings, motifs of pottery, murals, tapestry, jewellery, etc One will
thus postulate the presence in the works of the caballin period of all the materials
likely to give rise to the Libyc alphabet.[...] The caballin representations thus seem the
melting pot, the vector of a type of knowledge, new, codified, of which one suspects
the intervention in at least three fields of activity : the decoration of Berber art, the
marking of the herds, and finally, the alphabetical writing.
And especially, in conclusion, S. Chaker notes that
it is in the passage of these old practices of marking towards the alphabetical use that
it is undoubtedly necessary to recognize, not the borrowing of the script, but the
influence of the Phenician or Punic writing practices : most probably, in contact with
the Phnicians-Punics, the Berbers had to engage in the refunctionnalization of an
old stock of preexistent signs of which they made a national alphabet.
13 S. Chaker & S. Hachi, A propos de lorigine et de lge de lcriture libyco-berbre. Rflexions du linguiste
et du prhistorien , dans Etudes berbres et chamito-smitiques,d. S. Chaker, Paris-Louvain, Peeters,
2000, pp. 95-112.

So this book would be a good source.

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