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The Magazine: Armenia Must Choose Its Way: To Be With Iran Or...

There are 17 comments on the Groong story from Apr 20, 2012, titled The Magazine: Armenia Must Choose Its Way: To Be With Iran Or.... In it, Groong reports that:

THE MAGAZINE: ARMENIA MUST CHOOSE ITS WAY: TO BE WITH IRAN OR... http://times.am/?l=en&p=6884 20.04.12 "Caucasian diary" magazine published an article about Iran and Armenian-Iranian relations.

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Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#1 Apr 22, 2012
To pinpoint the corner stones of this tale or actual fabrication, I will make myself as brief as possible and submit my “irrefutable written evidences” which are detrimental when discussing history a century later or lecturing history based on unproven rumors, propaganda and hearsays which are marketed by some smart swindlers of diaspora.

1. If you will kindly click on below link, you can access to some ten pages of information on “google” in English and Turkish, regarding books, conferences, TV interviews, etc. in U.K., USA and Turkey.

https://www.google.com.tr/#q=Who+is+Sukru+Ser ...

2. If you will kindly click below link, you can access to my presentation of my first book “The Genocide of Truth” which can be unloaded freely in PDF format, since 2008.

There are over 2000 excerpts all from non-Turkish or denialist sources, such as original official U.S., Armenian, French, British etc. documents.

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/04/24 ...

3. If you will kindly read my essay

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/10/26 ... standing on the internet since 2008, you can be sure that so far “no person on earth could refute one single word of the excerpts from the three documents

” I had summarized therein, namely the “Near East Relief Report” approved unanimously by the U.S. Senate in April 1922, confirming that on 31.12.1921 there were 1.414.000 Armenians alive in the area.

We know that the Armenian population within the Ottoman Empire on Match 1, 1914 was less than 1.3 millions.

Hence, someone must explain how it is possible to kill 10.000 persons every single day for 150 days, and bury each lot in stadium size graves opened by hand shovel.

Not even Hitler and his death camps could annihilate so many and so far, not even one such mass grave was ever found!

There is not a line of Turkish atrocities in that report, bearing the names of the most reputed missionaries, politicians, etc. including two letters of thanks of Armenian patriarchs.

Secondly, the book by Garekin Pastermadjian, confesses all the Armenian treason and acts of bravery, and thirdly the memorandum submitted officially to the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919, leaves no blanks for the atrocities of Armenians or the huge land they required “free of non-Christian elements”, which was 80% of the population. I hope that “so much official documents” leave no doubt of the absurdity of any factual genocide.

4. If you really want to learn who killed whom (most), please refer to the following official U.S. document:

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/67 ...

5. Below excerpt should suffice to summarize and attest the story from the most authorized person:

6. Finally Sir, you should be aware by now, that there is not a single court verdict on this subject (which has become compulsory since 2004 under U.N. regulations)!

What more the bilateral acts of retaliation “cannot be categorized anything close to the word genocide” in the presence of below document,“a written confirmation of Note Verbale, dated March 1, 1920” by the General Secretary of the League of Nations:

< Page 2:“Further, in Turkey, minorities were often oppressed and massacres carried out by irregular bands who were entirely outside the control of the central Turkish Government.>

7. You may also please refer to the original Newspaper image (Nov.14, 1915): http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/10/26 ... ending with the following sentence for Americans:

< If this country, therefore, does not want to appear foolish before the whole world it will refuse to be duped by impossible tales and will let the Armenians severely alone.>

Since: Aug 08

Yerevan, Armenia

#2 Apr 22, 2012
at okuz tolma, fkhead turd, you spam has noting to do with title of this tread.
david

Ath, Belgium

#3 Apr 22, 2012
yeah get life oguz
david

Ath, Belgium

#4 Apr 22, 2012
WARNING to oguz : spam ONE MORE TIME >>>>>>> >
spam every hour on every topic of turkish with armenian genocide :) Your choice

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#5 Apr 23, 2012
david wrote:
heheheh
OK go ahead idiot go ahead..

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#6 Apr 23, 2012
Questions for Liar-menians from Science not from Liar-menian azzes.

1) Why was every single Ottoman official, incarcerated for war crimes during the nearly two-and-a-half years of the Malta Tribunals, finally acquitted?

THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT WOULD PUT AN END TO THE “ARMENIAN GENOCIDE” MATTER, TO ANY LOGICAL MIND. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE MALTA TRIBUNALS REFERRED TO IN ANY OF THE ARMENIAN WEB SITES.

2) The “Sick Man of Europe” was on her knees, financially broke and depleted of manpower (thanks to German-directed military mobilization) and needed resources. Why would the empire choose this most inopportune time to target the Armenians, who made the financial wheels turn and were clearly a vital resource to the country?

3) The “Sick Man of Europe” was on her knees, financially broke. Why would she spend a fortune on resettling the Armenians?

If the idea was to wipe them out, why didn’t they massacre them on the spot, as the Armenians did with the Turks?

4) Could the Ottoman Turks have the TECHNOLOGICAL capacity to carry out a government-sponsored genocide on such a grand scale?

5) If the idea of the resettlement program was to subject the Armenians to a slow, genocidal death, why did so many Armenians survive?

If there was a true government sponsored policy of extermination, why leave the barely-living starved alive? In short, it all boils down to: how could the great majority...one million out of less than one and a half million... have survived?

6) Why then, would the Turks fool around by going through the musical chairs of separating the men (remember, the Armenians claim the men were largely unarmed)?

Also, why were there supposedly so many orphans?

If a government has in mind to wipe out a race, why leave so many children alive?

The Armenians didn’t intend to leave the Turkish children alive.

7) Hitler began by targeting the Jews in Berlin. Why were the Armenians in Istanbul and other cities of the West such as Izmir, left alone for the most part?

The Armenians say this was because these cities were under too much foreign observation. However, the Ottomans were aware, after generations of being subjected to capitulations, that foreign posts were set up even in the distant corners of the empire... as readily under foreign observation.(American consuls of these out-of-the-way distant provinces, such as Leslie Davis [the genocide-proving “big gun” highlighted in the PBS pro-Armenian programs covered at this site], were among them. In addition, the missionaries were everywhere.)

8) As a related point, "Talat Pasa allowed the American missionaries to do relief work among the Armenians, in spite of the fact that Turkey and the United States were on the opposing camps during the war.

How many examples are there in history of a combatant country permitting the citizens of another country fighting in the other camp to stay, feed, cloth and educate the people it is accused of exterminating?

9) The Armenian perspective never fails to offer the convictions Turkish courts laid out to their own officials immediately after the war, and the Sevres Treaty, which partly proclaimed a large chunk of Eastern Turkey to be part of Armenia.

For a better proof of judging whether a genocide occurred, one must look at the Treaty of Leninakan (Gümrü) signed (December 3, 1920) by the Armenians and Turks, which closed the book on past ills, foregoing the issue of reparations.

If the Armenians were truly outraged over the Turks’ Nazi-like evil campaign to exterminate them, how could they have agreed to such terms?

"If the Ottoman Empire really did commit the crime of genocide from 1915-1919, as Armenians allege, then why would the newly established Armenia turn to the Ottoman Empire for help in 1918, 1919, or 1920?

10) As yet another follow-up, why didn't Armenian delegate to the Paris Peace Conference, Boghos Nubar Pasha, mention the "genocide" in his January 30, 1919 letter to The Times of London?

Since: May 12

Istanbul, Turkey

#7 May 6, 2012
Armenia is with nobody because they are losers :)
Armen

Glendale, CA

#8 May 6, 2012
OghuzTolga wrote:
Armenia is with nobody because they are losers :)
What do you mean? English

Since: May 12

Istanbul, Turkey

#9 May 6, 2012
That means you Liarmenians are with nobody
Armen

Glendale, CA

#10 May 6, 2012
OghuzTolga wrote:
That means you Liarmenians are with nobody
Is this English?

Since: May 12

Istanbul, Turkey

#11 May 6, 2012
Armen wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this English?
Yes it is Liarmenian ;)
Armen

Glendale, CA

#12 May 6, 2012
OghuzTolga wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is Liarmenian ;)
What?

Since: May 12

Istanbul, Turkey

#13 May 6, 2012
Armen wrote:
<quoted text>
What?
It is English you Liarmenian hahahhahhahahaha ;)

Since: May 12

Istanbul, Turkey

#14 May 6, 2012
stupid liarmeinaan hahaha

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#15 May 6, 2012
OghuzTolga wrote:
Armenia is with nobody because they are losers :)
Ne yapiyorsunuz?

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#16 May 6, 2012
OghuzTolga wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is Liarmenian ;)
Ulan serefsiz.seni bu aksam bulup sülaleni siktirece&#287;im.dün gece saat 03.00de IP ni ve adresini bulduk.bugün bekle bizi.

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#17 May 6, 2012
Dear Armenians,
This guy is using my name and photo to insult people.Please do not answer him.We will find and take him in Today with police

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