Malaysia steps on Indonesia's toes in dance dispute

Jun 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Reuters

Malaysia is separated from Indonesia's Sumatra island by just 40 miles of water, but an ocean has opened up between them over who owns a traditional dance, the latest in a series of disputes between the Southeast Asian neighbours.

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Jakarta, Indonesia

#1 Jun 30, 2012
Malaysia's thief country
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#2 Jun 30, 2012
Malaysia steps on Indonesia's toes in dance dispute

Malaysia is separated from Indonesia's Sumatra island by just 40 miles (64 km) of water, but an ocean has opened up between them over who owns a traditional dance, the latest in a series of disputes between the Southeast Asian neighbours.

The feud, one of many over issues as diverse as culture, pollution and borders in the region of 600 million people, adds to the difficulties leaders face in trying to turn Southeast Asia into a unified economic community by 2015.

Malaysian efforts to promote the Tor-tor folk dance and Gordang Sambilan drum performance - both with origins in Sumatra - as its own cultural heritage sparked protests this month in Jakarta, where a group torched Malaysia's flag and threw stones at its embassy. The violence was a sharp contrast to the Tor-tor itself - a gentle, traditional dance featuring a mix of subtle hand and leg movements.

Malaysia's government summoned Indonesia's acting ambassador for talks on Monday to express its concern over the violence.

Government officials on both sides have tried to calm the situation, saying it is a misunderstanding over plans to promote the culture of the Mandailing people, who live in both Sumatra and across the narrow Malacca Strait in mainland Malaysia.

Malaysia and Indonesia share deep Islamic and cultural ties that go back centuries. The Malay and Indonesian languages are mutually intelligible and historians say they originate from Indonesia's Riau islands, just south of Singapore. But subtle differences do exist and could be part of the reason for the latest row. The Malay word for heritage, "warisan", carries a stronger connotation of ownership in Indonesian.
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#3 Jun 30, 2012
FOLK MUSIC, BATIK, AND CURRY

The case has touched a raw nerve in Indonesia, which has previously argued with Malaysia over who claims the rights to folk music, batik textiles and spicy beef Rendang curry.

In recent years, allegations of poor treatment of the hundreds of thousands of Indonesian maids who cook, clean and care for children in smaller, richer Malaysia have soured ties. Jakarta stopped sending domestic helpers to Malaysia in 2009 after numerous cases of abuse, only lifting the ban this month after Malaysia set stricter rules for employers of maids.

"Indonesians are jealous that Malaysians have a better standard of living and it does seem that Malaysians - and especially the Malay ethnic group - tend to look down their noses at their Indonesian brethren," said Keith Loveard, who heads political risk analysis at Concord Consulting in Jakarta.

The neighbours fought a border war in the 1960s on the island of Borneo, and some in Indonesia still seem in a fighting spirit.

"Malaysia is a small country. It would only take us five days or a week to burn it," said an executive in Jakarta originally from Sumatra, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue.

The Batak people of Sumatra, a related ethnic group to the Mandailing, have a reputation in Indonesia as argumentative. A local joke goes that in law courts it's common to find that lawyers and those on trial are all Batak.

While any real conflict is very unlikely, nations in the region have been stepping up defence spending in recent years, as fears grow over China's military and posturing between it and Southeast Asian countries over ownership of oil-rich islands in disputed waters north of Borneo.

Thailand and Cambodia fought a deadly border skirmish over a disputed ancient Hindu temple last year, an issue that the Association of South East Asian Nations struggled to mediate, underlining its troubles in fostering genuine unity.
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#4 Jun 30, 2012
MORE HIP-HOP THAN TOR-TOR

While anger will soon dissipate, a common sentiment heard in Indonesia is simply disappointment that Malaysia feels the need to "steal" its culture. From the Malaysian perspective, it is simply about preserving culture that is in danger of dying out.

"Recognising these two cultures under the act doesn't mean that it is being 'claimed' and owned by Malaysia. What we hope is, through the registration of the cultures, they can be preserved and widely promoted," said Ramli Abdul Karim Hasibuan, president of the Mandailing association in Malaysia.

Scholars say the Mandailing people in Malaysia did not resist colonial British attempts last century to label them as Malay, which led to their culture evaporating, whereas traditions have been preserved better in Sumatra, Indonesia's largest island and full of different ethnicities.

The younger generation, more likely to dance to hip-hop than the Tor-tor, is more concerned about who wins between Malaysia and Indonesia on the soccer pitch, though haze pollution in Kuala Lumpur from Indonesian land-clearing fires is a real irritant.

-Reuters
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#5 Jun 30, 2012
i was surprised to see the comments from malaysiaL readers.

it seems they were unhappy with the claims of culture by the malays too..

let's see one by one..

posted by SETTLE IT ONCE AND FOR ALL

CAN INDONESIA PLEASE GIVE THE MALAYS IN MALINGSIA THE FULL LIST OF INDONESIAN CULTURE THAT ARE COPYRIGHT.DO INDONESIAN CONSIDER THE MALAYS HERE TO BE WITHOUT ANY ORIGINAL CULTURE.DO YOU CONSIDER THEM BABARIANS WHOSE ONLY ORIGINAL CULTURE IS A TREE HOUSE?
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#6 Jun 30, 2012
posted by andymerdeka

Can the Malays in Malaysia have its own culture when they themselves are also originally from other countries like Indonesia just like our PM. We cannot blame Indonesia for this protest as the dances are originally from their country. And why make so much fuss about making the dances Malaysian dance when they are not. And why should we take someone else dances to claim as our own? This is the most ridiculous thing to do. Except for probably Dikir Barat and Boria, the others are all imported as majority of us are all pendatangs!
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#7 Jun 30, 2012
posted by MALAYS MOST PENDATANG.

WHEN MALAY CULTURE IS NOT MALAYSIAN IN THE EYES OF INDONESIANS/SUMATRANS, lT JUST CONFIRMS THAT THE MALAYS ARE PENDATANGS FROM INDONESIA-LAH. 20% of MALAYS ARE BORN OUTSIDE MALAYSIA, MUCH MORE THAN THE NON-MALAYS, ACCORDING TO THE POPULATION CENSUS.
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#8 Jun 30, 2012
posted by mthief

What Malay culture are we talking about? A lot of Malay cultural traditions are of Indonesian origins. What Malay culture we have are mostly centered on the sultanates and Islam, both foreign in origins. The former from Indonesia-Hindu and the latter, Middle-East.
Since the majority ‘Malays’ are also pendatangs from Indonesia, it is more appropriately label as a ‘shared-culture’.
But then typical of the Information / Tourism / Culture Ministries, they ‘stole by stealth’, tweak the originals and then lay claim as its own; being more Arab (Islamic) than Arabs. So the Indons being more emotional and proud of ‘their’ culture went histrionic.
Me think one form of culture that we can lay claim to as our own and no foreigners will go huff and puff to dispute that – CORRUPTION. What do you think?
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#9 Jun 30, 2012
posted by ONE+ONE=THREE

Gatak bra ali,it only take five days to burn Malaysia down,said by a Executive in Jakartar,What is your respond,seem like a warning to Malaysia,Elite squad and protector of Malays Right is time for you to earn your money and dont put head down instead lifting it up.
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#10 Jun 30, 2012
posted by Malingga

send your scorpene submarines and show them who is mighty......oops, sorry, they can't dive. anyways, malaysians are known to copy, then claim that it's theirs. after 50 yrs, this is where we stand under BN rule., no identity, no pride, no sense of belonging, no patriotism and no everything else.
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#11 Jun 30, 2012
posted by Malay conflict

Indonesians are not Chinese,Indians, Kadazans or Dyaks you can step on all the time with impunity in Malaysia.
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#12 Jun 30, 2012
posted by Wonder

It seems only the Malay people tend to claim this culture, this religion ,this art and this and that is their heritage and their own. Others must seek permission. It also seems the Chinese and the British never claim this language , that language, this style of dance or that style of painting or any philosophy or religion is their own and permission must be sought . For them the more you use them the happier they are. Is it a matter of growing out of it or something more deserving anthropological doctorate study ?
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#13 Jun 30, 2012
posted by Angry taxpayer

The greatest Malay culture from Malaysia are the Prime Minister and Finance Minister are the same person, Prime Minister must be Malay, Islam is Official Religion, Negotiated Government Contract that is 25% cost 75% profit. The just completed Sembulan River Park in Kota Kinabalu has just been opened by the CM. Cost announced is RM34 million for this 1st Phase. It is mainly a tiling of about of 1,000 ft by 30 ft of the bank of the Sembulan Big Drain with two landings to the water for small boats, a public toilet, two pondoks and a small waterjets shallow pond for 20 children and normal street type of lights. It took about 5 months to complete. A quantity surveyor says the cost would be about RM 8million at the most. Surprised ?
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#14 Jun 30, 2012
posted by Sorry lah taxpayers

What??? the Sembulan River Park 1st phase costs RM 1,114 per sg ft ? Even the QS estimate of RM 266 a sq ft is on the high side. Where the hell is the MACC, waiting for a Official Report ? Where is the Auditor-General ? Where is the MOF controller of finance? Where is the EPU ? No response lah.!
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#15 Jun 30, 2012
posted by Attila

Indonesian has come of age and re-asserting itself. Rais Yatim, what have you got to say? The time for talking down at the Indonesians, yes Indonesians, not Indons, is OVER! Too many times we note Malaysia playing the big overlord in South East Asia but the cracks in our system are getting larger as leaders become greedier.
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#16 Jun 30, 2012
posted by THE PLAIN & BITTER TRUTH

IF NOT FOR THE CHINESE & INDIANS IN MALAYSIA, NOT ONLY THERE WILL BE WAR BETWEEN MALAYSIA AND INDONESIA, THERE WILL BE CIVIL WARS AMONG THE MALAYS WITHIN MALAYSIA ! ACTUALLY THERE IS A BLESSING IN DISGUISE FOR MALAYSIA. THE CHINESE & INDIANS ARE 'ACTING' AS A COMMON 'ENEMY' FOR THE MALAYS TO REMAIN UNITED EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS AMONG THEMSELVES. BESIDES MALAYSIA WOULD NOT HAVE DEVELOPED THIS FAR. RELIGION & CULTURES ARE MERELY USED TO START A FIGHT. THERE IS NO EVIL IN THE ATOM. ONLY IN MEN'S SOULS ( Th e Great Einstein ).
God Bless our beloved Country
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#17 Jun 30, 2012
posted by AKHIRAT

'Plain Truth',
Very true.
If they are genuinely proud about their 'Culture & Religion', with so many so-called 'Muslims' in our country, why is the CORRUPTION INDEX getting higher and higher ?
These people are praying 5X a day, then for what ?
Only people like Nik Aziz will feel ashamed.
Of course NOT the Muslims who are LOOTERS........ etc.
You ask Mahathir & his family, they will tell you
Heh, make hay will the sun / son is shining on the Head !?!
These People surely think they are BIGGER THAN ALLAH !
Well, in the end there is always a 'PRICE TO PAY'.
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#18 Jun 30, 2012
posted by ANTI-DUMNO-CRAZY

BLAME IT ON UMNO

UMNO which created the NEP Malay supremacist apartheid system has always want to create a "Malay" identity by embellishing the real Malay.

Malay culture is like many culture absorbed practice spliced on the local culture. It is cross cultural pollination. For example, Malay costumes reflect Chinese and other influences. The Malay language is versatile in adopting foreign words...

However, UMNO as an agent of cultural change often over steps the mark and annoy their cousins across the Straits.

To start with here is a list of things UMNO has borrowed from other countries and claim as its own:

1. "UMNO" is an acronym of the English wordings.
2. The UMNO flag is the Indonesia national colours of red and white with a Keris superimposed on it.
3. The Malaysian flag is borrowed from the US flag
4. The Malaysia "national anthem" is a variation of an Indonesian tune (terang bulang) and some say Hawaiian origin (the twang is Hawaiian)
5. The idea of "Malaysia Federation" was a brainchild of Britain which UMNO most enthusiastically adopted as its own so it can annex Sabah and Sarawak and gain access to their rich resources.
6. Following the above comment- it is a myth that Tunku Abdul Rahman is "Bapak Malaysia". At best he is the adoptive father and the real father is Britain who fucked up all of us in the process and continued the colonisation of Sabah and Sarawak.
7. The repressive Malaysian state machinery and Secret Police are offsrpings of the British colonial suppression machinery
8. Please add your list of what is not original "Malaysian"

So feel proud to be "Malaysian"!
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#19 Jun 30, 2012
posted by WhatGoesAroundComesAround

They were not the ones who fought for independence! They were "hooligans" used by the British to suppress the people! Now they are using the same tactic to suppress the people!
ViQ

Melbourne, Australia

#20 Jun 30, 2012
posted by sc lai

Time to wake up from your slumbers dear Malay folks, stop treating them as abang-adik,for they don't consider themselves Malay, neither do they want to have any Malay-ness in them.Stop giving Landed-citizenship to them just like some countries giving Landed-visas on arrival coz they r just economic immigrants coming here to cari makan or do business.I knew some Indon Chinese who have been in Sabah before independence were still holding "red I.Cs",where is d logic?Why not give it to d IT expert from India or engineering experts from China,to reverse d Brain-drain flow?But I think this will never be achieved coz it is just a wish that looks like Martin Luter KIng's I HaVE A DREAM...

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