Harper to visit India, maybe China as many in Canada hope he Would stay there & Not Return

Prime Minister Stephen Harper is set to visit India next month, Canwest News Service has learned, and advisers and diplomats are hopeful he'll be able to tack on a visit to China at the same time, a trip that could pay dividends for Canada's standing on the world stage as it prepares to host key international summits in 2010.

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[RayH]

Don't come. Harper is as hated in China as he is in Canada.

[InfoSharing]

RayH wrote:

Don't come. Harper is as hated in China as he is in Canada.

I don't think Canadians hate him. Many of us are just unhappy with his performance. I don't dislike him, but I believe he has grossly overstated his ability before and after election.

As of today, his trip to China cannot be confirmed. Rumour has it that he has not received a formal invitation from the Chinese government despite his envoys have received a warm welcome in Beijing last month.

Many of us want Harper to visit Beijing. He is very eager to visit Beijing now to mitigate the pressure from the opposition party, and from the business community. Last time he met Hu Jintao for 15 minutes in G20. He was immediately ridiculed by other politicians as having a brief meeting with Hu in the man's room.

Why it is difficult to get an invitation letter from Mr. Hu or Mr. Wen? Harper has a hard time to explain to his supporters and opponents alike.

It is an embarrassing time for him!

[RayH]

InfoSharing wrote:

<quoted text>I don't think Canadians hate him. Many of us are just unhappy with his performance. I don't dislike him, but I believe he has grossly overstated his ability before and after election.
As of today, his trip to China cannot be confirmed. Rumour has it that he has not received a formal invitation from the Chinese government despite his envoys have received a warm welcome in Beijing last month.
Many of us want Harper to visit Beijing. He is very eager to visit Beijing now to mitigate the pressure from the opposition party, and from the business community. Last time he met Hu Jintao for 15 minutes in G20. He was immediately ridiculed by other politicians as having a brief meeting with Hu in the man's room.
Why it is difficult to get an invitation letter from Mr. Hu or Mr. Wen? Harper has a hard time to explain to his supporters and opponents alike.
It is an embarrassing time for him!

That's a very smelly 15 minutes in the toilet. Why is Harper not welcome in China? Because he boycotted the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics, and the public in China has long memory. Now is pay back.

[RayH]

Actually, Harper should take his "human rights" hypocrisy and go work on aiding his First Nations people or early pull out from Afghanistan.

[lct]

Did the Chinese gov't had ever invited him?

not I'm heard of.

[RayH]

lct wrote:

Did the Chinese gov't had ever invited him?
not I'm heard of.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese governments snobs Harper, and he ends up coming in December or in 2010.

[Wise Sage]

RayH wrote:

Don't come. Harper is as hated in China as he is in Canada.

Really? I don't think that he has the highest approval rating here as he does in Canada.

So I think what you are saying is based on your emotional dislike of the man instead of based on pure facts.

[RayH]

Wise Sage wrote:

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Really? I don't think that he has the highest approval rating here as he does in Canada.
So I think what you are saying is based on your emotional dislike of the man instead of based on pure facts.

No, Harper has a pretty low approval rating by the Canadian public, in the 30 % range. He's definitely down there among the bottom feeders, along with Gordon Brown of U.K., Sarkozy of France, and previously Aso of Japan (of course Aso is OUT now).

Harper barely survived a "no confidence" vote recently.

[RayH]

Harper is disliked in China for his anti-China views. First, he hasn't visited China after 3 years in office, but is now pressured to from Canadian business interests. Second, he openly boycotted the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony.

It's all over some of his bull crap on "human rights," while Canadians troops continue to die in Afghanistan.

[Wise Sage]

RayH wrote:

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No, Harper has a pretty low approval rating by the Canadian public, in the 30 % range. He's definitely down there among the bottom feeders, along with Gordon Brown of U.K., Sarkozy of France, and previously Aso of Japan (of course Aso is OUT now).
Harper barely survived a "no confidence" vote recently.

I don't know what news you are reading, but the latest polls put his party far ahead of everyone else, at 42%, while the Liberals are 28%.

Like him or not, doesn't matter. He is polling higher than he should be.

[Wise Sage]

Canada stood with most of the world opposing the American-led invasion of Iraq. Even China stood beside America during 9-11 with the demand that they turn over Bin Laden for his role in the terror attacks.

Afghanistan and Iraq are two different issues. Even Xinjiangren are there, and they come back to China trained in bomb making, etc. so Afghanistan, which borders China, is very much important to China.

Iraq, absolutely not. But Afghanistan is different.

[RayH]

Wise Sage wrote:

<quoted text>
I don't know what news you are reading, but the latest polls put his party far ahead of everyone else, at 42%, while the Liberals are 28%.
Like him or not, doesn't matter. He is polling higher than he should be.

Those polls or surveys all have a margin of error of 3 %. Either way, Harper is not welcome in China.

[Wise Sage]

Ok so 42-3=39. And 28+3=31. Is 31 greater than 39?

I don't like Harper, but at least I know simple statistical mathematics. Anyways, we should not interfere in the internal affairs of Canada. He is the leader of Canada and there is a polite dialogue of rules internationally we have to follow.

Ok so he is not welcome in China. This means he will not be invited to come here, right?

[RayH]

Wise Sage wrote:

Ok so 42-3=39. And 28+3=31. Is 31 greater than 39?
I don't like Harper, but at least I know simple statistical mathematics. Anyways, we should not interfere in the internal affairs of Canada. He is the leader of Canada and there is a polite dialogue of rules internationally we have to follow.
Ok so he is not welcome in China. This means he will not be invited to come here, right?

"In the 30 % range" is 30 % to 39.99 %. And so far, he's not invited this month. But, for the sake of Sino-Canadian relations, I'm sure they'll let Harper in eventually.

[Where did Great Law go]

MNN Where did Great Law go?

CONFUSION BETWEEN KAIANEREH&#65533;KO:WA & HANDSOME LAKE CODE

MNN. Oct. 16, 2009. PART I. Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa, our way, is meant to
help us regulate our lives and resolve issues peacefully to everybody&#65533;s
benefit. It isn&#65533;t a law. There are no police, jails or judges. It&#65533;s
not a religion. Everything is scientific and based on natural law,
which is provable. Handsome Lake followers are lead to believe they are
traditional. They are unaware their ideas come from a foreign ideology
on how a people behave that is not based on natural but on the
unproveable supernatural.

The Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa provides that everyone is equal and has a voice.
The opening thanksgiving outlines the relations between all elements of
the natural world. People are the power base. Issues are resolved
through a complex system of consensual decision making.

The longhouse is a symbol of the Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa and the world around
us, which covers all of Great Turtle Island. The Rotinoshonni&#65533;on:we are
the people who make the longhouse. The ceiling is the sky, the four
directions are our walls and our mother the earth is our floor. The
people are sacred. Literally longhouses are shelters to live in,
places to meet or where we put away our stuff. It is not a place to
worship a god up in heaven that has created us!

We have stories about our creation to connect us to the natural world.
We will not know the face or place that the power of creation dwells,
only the evidence of that power which we acknowledge. Everything was
based on what we could see and observe, not blind faith and control of
information by a few.

Has anybody listened closely to the thanksgiving rituals being done?
Predominance is given to one creator, a god, who made us, before
thanking the rest of creation. Has anybody noticed some of our speakers
now talk about going to heaven instead of returning to our mother the
earth?

[Where did Great Law go]

Our people have a lot of mental and physical energy. We don&#65533;t want to
fight because we care about each other. Our energies are being
redirected against each other instead of strengthening our family ties.

What happened to the excitement of a few years ago when the longhouses
were full of people, activities, socials and fun. Why aren&#65533;t people
attending?

Is there a disagreement between those who stick to the Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa
and those who follow or are influenced by the Handsome Lake Code? Does
anybody wonder why young people aren&#65533;t going to the longhouse for
answers to political, social or economic questions? They go there to
have their babies named.

What is stopping us from standing up for our true way? Young and old
need the Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa to keep us on the right path. Handsome Lake
Code seems like the easy way out through pacification and avoidance.
When the Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa is defended, questioners are called trouble
makers by self-appointed leaders.

In the early 1800s Skaniatario, or the Handsome Lake Code, was created
using native culture combined with Christian undertones. Skaniatario is
a Seneca family title in the Confederacy. He was an alcoholic and
committed wrongs against his people. He used witch hunts and other
superstitions to scare the people. He forfeited and alienated himself
and was banished. When he left he had no name, no clan and no
birthright.

The Handsome Lake Code is a hierarchical order of spirits. They even
arrange nature according to some idea of power reflecting the colonial
system where a few are on top while the rest are left in the dark.

The conflict is between the inner directed people who are guided by the
Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa and the knowledge we have to figure things out. The
Handsome Lake followers base their decisions on faith and prayers like a
religion. The beauty of listening to a speaker is to hear their words
coming from their mind, not just to hear a recital. Discussions are
avoided about the violations of the Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa.

[Where did Great Law go]

Religion weakens, confuses and controls people. After every so-called
native resistance the colonists push religion to pacify us. After the
War of 1812 it was the Handsome Lake Code. After the American
Revolution it was the Quakers. At Lakota it was the medicine power of
Wovoka and the Ghost Dance. White people became afraid and murdered the
people during the ceremonies. Since the 1990s the religion has been the
healing circles.

The Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa advocates co-existence as a separate nation. The
Handsome Lake Code advocates integration and compromise.

The main issues are always sovereignty, respect for our nation, land
claims and Indigenous jurisdiction. US and Canada know that any
legitimate agreement has to be made with us. The colonial band and
tribal councils are working with longhouses that will validate the band
council&#65533;s authority.

Elder Karonhiaktajeh always said that we&#65533;re always trying to stop them
from putting a steeple on our longhouse, which, he said, makes it
comfortable for Christians to come in and take it over.

Maybe we should all refresh our memory of the Kaianereh&#65533;ko:wa. Weren&#65533;t
we taught to question everything and ask for proof? Remember that the
Handsome Lake Code is highly influenced by foreign dogmas. The Two Row
Wampum is very clear that we can&#65533;t have one foot in the canoe and one in
the ship.

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