The Importance of Historical Truth and The Macedonian Issue

There are 6 comments on the history-of-macedonia.com story from Nov 30, 2010, titled The Importance of Historical Truth and The Macedonian Issue. In it, history-of-macedonia.com reports that:

The issue of the erection of a statue of Alexander the Great in Skopje is one which is particularly annoying to the Greeks at the present time. It is, of course, not true to say that the present occupants of Skopje are the descendants of the Macedonians of the fourth century B.C., although perhaps the statue could be considered as a sort of homage to the man who expanded the area under his control by conquering the territory of their pre-Slavic predecessors in Paionia. To present Alexander the Great as a figure from FYROM is like saying that Santa Claus was a Turk (after all, the St Nicholas who was the origin of the Santa Claus stories was the bishop of Myra, which is now in southern Turkey). And if we pursue this claim to its logical end, the people from FYROM should follow Philip and Alexander and make the Greek language the standard one for all their administrative activities, and seek to enter the Olympic games under the Greek flag.

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Thrace, Greece

#164 Dec 8, 2011
Greek History:

Alexander the Great gave this oath at Opis in 324 BC...

It was at a banquet before 9,000 Greek and Asian officers.

The Oath has been quoted mostly from Ptolemy who had possessed Alexander's diary.

Others were Plutarch, and Erathostenes. Over the centuries wording has been changed but the main points are still there.

“ It is my wish, now that wars are coming to an end, that you should all be happy in peace.
From now on, let all mortals live as one people, in fellowship, for the good of all.

See the whole world as your homeland, with laws common to all, where the best will govern regardless of their race.

Unlike the narrow minded, I make no distinction between Greeks and Barbarians.

The origin of citizens, or the race into which they were born, is of no concern to me.

I have only one criterion by which to distinguish their virtue...

For me any good foreigner is a Greek and any bad Greek is worse than a barbarian.

If disputes ever occur among you, you will not resort to weapons but will solve them in peace.

If need be, I shall arbitrate between you.
See God not as an autocratic despot, but as the common father of all and thus your conduct will be like the lives of brothers within the same family.


I on my part, see you all as equal, whether you are white or dark-skinned.

And I should like you not simply to be subjects of my Commonwealth, but members of it, partners of it.

To the best of my ability, I shall strive to do what I have promised.

Keep as a symbol of love this oath which we have taken tonight with our libations.”

An oath, from a man that states he is Greek......
Because he was the Greatest of all Greeks!
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#165 Dec 8, 2011
United Macedonians wrote:
"Of course, it did not take me long to realise that what he had said had no foundation in historical truth, but it made me realise, as I have realised on some other occasions since then, that several generations of people in the FYROM have now been indoctrinated with misinformation of this kind, and of course, when indoctrination has been successfully achieved, it is difficult or impossible to change the attitude of mind that it creates.
My position is different from yours. I am not a Greek, so I have no emotional involvement in this matter. It is only my head, not my heart, that is involved. I can only say that you are right to resist the attempts by the present day Slav inhabitants of the FYROM to create a nation that is founded on a recent invented mythology, not on historical truth. My understanding of the matter is that at some time in the nineteenth century, certain elements in South Serbia (later the Vardar Province of Serbia) decided that they were not sufficiently well looked after by Belgrade. Although they were more Bulgarian than anything else (at least in the eastern parts of this area), they did not wish to place themselves under the control of Sofia. They therefore began to push for the creation of a separate state. Much later, this was approved by President Tito (who, being a Croat, had no desire to support the Serbs, and also thought that this might be the first step in annexing some of the northern part of Greece), and the ‘Republic of Macedonia’ was formed. "
Professor Melville-Jones
Graduate Research School
University of Western Australia
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...
http://youtu.be/mIRe5tnqRKM
correct!!!!!!
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#166 Dec 10, 2011
United Macedonians wrote:
"Of course, it did not take me long to realise that what he had said had no foundation in historical truth, but it made me realise, as I have realised on some other occasions since then, that several generations of people in the FYROM have now been indoctrinated with misinformation of this kind, and of course, when indoctrination has been successfully achieved, it is difficult or impossible to change the attitude of mind that it creates.
My position is different from yours. I am not a Greek, so I have no emotional involvement in this matter. It is only my head, not my heart, that is involved. I can only say that you are right to resist the attempts by the present day Slav inhabitants of the FYROM to create a nation that is founded on a recent invented mythology, not on historical truth. My understanding of the matter is that at some time in the nineteenth century, certain elements in South Serbia (later the Vardar Province of Serbia) decided that they were not sufficiently well looked after by Belgrade. Although they were more Bulgarian than anything else (at least in the eastern parts of this area), they did not wish to place themselves under the control of Sofia. They therefore began to push for the creation of a separate state. Much later, this was approved by President Tito (who, being a Croat, had no desire to support the Serbs, and also thought that this might be the first step in annexing some of the northern part of Greece), and the ‘Republic of Macedonia’ was formed. "
Professor Melville-Jones
Graduate Research School
University of Western Australia
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...
http://youtu.be/-g8rkUO0DCU
correct!!!!!
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#167 Dec 11, 2011
United Macedonians wrote:
"Of course, it did not take me long to realise that what he had said had no foundation in historical truth, but it made me realise, as I have realised on some other occasions since then, that several generations of people in the FYROM have now been indoctrinated with misinformation of this kind, and of course, when indoctrination has been successfully achieved, it is difficult or impossible to change the attitude of mind that it creates.
My position is different from yours. I am not a Greek, so I have no emotional involvement in this matter. It is only my head, not my heart, that is involved. I can only say that you are right to resist the attempts by the present day Slav inhabitants of the FYROM to create a nation that is founded on a recent invented mythology, not on historical truth. My understanding of the matter is that at some time in the nineteenth century, certain elements in South Serbia (later the Vardar Province of Serbia) decided that they were not sufficiently well looked after by Belgrade. Although they were more Bulgarian than anything else (at least in the eastern parts of this area), they did not wish to place themselves under the control of Sofia. They therefore began to push for the creation of a separate state. Much later, this was approved by President Tito (who, being a Croat, had no desire to support the Serbs, and also thought that this might be the first step in annexing some of the northern part of Greece), and the ‘Republic of Macedonia’ was formed. "
Professor Melville-Jones
Graduate Research School
University of Western Australia
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...
http://youtu.be/-g8rkUO0DCU
Respect to Professor Melville-Jones!
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#168 Dec 11, 2011
United Macedonians wrote:
"Of course, it did not take me long to realise that what he had said had no foundation in historical truth, but it made me realise, as I have realised on some other occasions since then, that several generations of people in the FYROM have now been indoctrinated with misinformation of this kind, and of course, when indoctrination has been successfully achieved, it is difficult or impossible to change the attitude of mind that it creates.
My position is different from yours. I am not a Greek, so I have no emotional involvement in this matter. It is only my head, not my heart, that is involved. I can only say that you are right to resist the attempts by the present day Slav inhabitants of the FYROM to create a nation that is founded on a recent invented mythology, not on historical truth. My understanding of the matter is that at some time in the nineteenth century, certain elements in South Serbia (later the Vardar Province of Serbia) decided that they were not sufficiently well looked after by Belgrade. Although they were more Bulgarian than anything else (at least in the eastern parts of this area), they did not wish to place themselves under the control of Sofia. They therefore began to push for the creation of a separate state. Much later, this was approved by President Tito (who, being a Croat, had no desire to support the Serbs, and also thought that this might be the first step in annexing some of the northern part of Greece), and the ‘Republic of Macedonia’ was formed. "
Professor Melville-Jones
Graduate Research School
University of Western Australia
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...
http://youtu.be/-g8rkUO0DCU
correct!
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#169 Dec 11, 2011
United Macedonians wrote:
"Of course, it did not take me long to realise that what he had said had no foundation in historical truth, but it made me realise, as I have realised on some other occasions since then, that several generations of people in the FYROM have now been indoctrinated with misinformation of this kind, and of course, when indoctrination has been successfully achieved, it is difficult or impossible to change the attitude of mind that it creates.
My position is different from yours. I am not a Greek, so I have no emotional involvement in this matter. It is only my head, not my heart, that is involved. I can only say that you are right to resist the attempts by the present day Slav inhabitants of the FYROM to create a nation that is founded on a recent invented mythology, not on historical truth. My understanding of the matter is that at some time in the nineteenth century, certain elements in South Serbia (later the Vardar Province of Serbia) decided that they were not sufficiently well looked after by Belgrade. Although they were more Bulgarian than anything else (at least in the eastern parts of this area), they did not wish to place themselves under the control of Sofia. They therefore began to push for the creation of a separate state. Much later, this was approved by President Tito (who, being a Croat, had no desire to support the Serbs, and also thought that this might be the first step in annexing some of the northern part of Greece), and the ‘Republic of Macedonia’ was formed. "
Professor Melville-Jones
Graduate Research School
University of Western Australia
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...
http://youtu.be/-g8rkUO0DCU
Respect to Professor!

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