Russia demands Finland clarify diplom...

Russia demands Finland clarify diplomat's role in boy's departure

There are 23 comments on the en.rian.ru story from May 21, 2009, titled Russia demands Finland clarify diplomat's role in boy's departure. In it, en.rian.ru reports that:

The Russian Interior Ministry has demanded a response from Helsinki on whether a Finnish diplomat was performing his duties while helping to illegally take a child out of Russia.

"The Russian Embassy in Helsinki has handed a note to the Finnish Foreign Ministry with a request to specify whether a consul of the Finnish consulate in St. Petersburg, who crossed the Russian-Finnish border on May 8 with the child and his father in the trunk of his car with diplomatic plates, was performing his duties," a spokesman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, Andrei Nesterenko, said on Thursday.

Russia wants to determine "if he [the consul] used his diplomatic privileges and immunity at that moment."

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“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#1 May 21, 2009
Finland directly violated Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, article 41. If this state is not civilized enough and don't want to respect the basic international agreements, then all Finnish diplomats as well as Finnish embassy should be deprived of privileges and immunities which is given to them by Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.
Matti

Hämeenlinna, Finland

#2 May 21, 2009
coolncrazy wrote:
Finland directly violated Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, article 41. If this state is not civilized enough and don't want to respect the basic international agreements, then all Finnish diplomats as well as Finnish embassy should be deprived of privileges and immunities which is given to them by Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.
He acted as a private person obeying only his conscience especially as Russia was not even respecting their own legal decisions to return the boy back to Finland.
Originally the finnish boy was illegally kidnapped to Russia (and not vice versa) and there was no legal way to get him back to Finland.
For sure the finnish diplomat is going to loose his diplomatic carrier but he was ready for this when respecting the human code.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#3 May 21, 2009
Matti wrote:
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He acted as a private person
And how should we understand when Finnish diplomat use his immunity as a Finnish official and when he use it as a "private person" (illegally)? Usually if the state appointed somebody to diplomatic post, the state bear responsibility for his actions under diplomatic cover. But Finland is a special case and don't want to bear responsibility for its own diplomats? This is shameful situation for Finland. I don't understand why Finnish FM didn't resigned till now.

ps Nobody care about the reasons of violating of Vienna Convention by Finnish diplomat. This isn't a story of father and son, but a story of Finnish official who used his diplomatic immunity to commit a crime and other Finnish officials who think there was nothing serious. It's look like Finnish foreign ministry is fulled by imbeciles.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#4 May 21, 2009
coolncrazy wrote:
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And how should we understand when Finnish diplomat use his immunity as a Finnish official and when he use it as a "private person" (illegally)? Usually if the state appointed somebody to diplomatic post, the state bear responsibility for his actions under diplomatic cover. But Finland is a special case and don't want to bear responsibility for its own diplomats? This is shameful situation for Finland. I don't understand why Finnish FM didn't resigned till now.
ps Nobody care about the reasons of violating of Vienna Convention by Finnish diplomat. This isn't a story of father and son, but a story of Finnish official who used his diplomatic immunity to commit a crime and other Finnish officials who think there was nothing serious. It's look like Finnish foreign ministry is fulled by imbeciles.
Oh so now you want our foreign minister to resign? WOW the arrogance. Legally it is not that simple. Just by pointing somebody does not make the state responsible for that persons actions.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#5 May 21, 2009
Matti wrote:
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He acted as a private person obeying only his conscience especially as Russia was not even respecting their own legal decisions to return the boy back to Finland.
Originally the finnish boy was illegally kidnapped to Russia (and not vice versa) and there was no legal way to get him back to Finland.
For sure the finnish diplomat is going to loose his diplomatic carrier but he was ready for this when respecting the human code.
But I read that the diplomat has not been fired by the Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#6 May 21, 2009
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
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Oh so now you want our foreign minister to resign? WOW the arrogance. Legally it is not that simple. Just by pointing somebody does not make the state responsible for that persons actions.
Appointing somebody at diplomatic post you make the state responsible for his actions. The guy wasn't arrested in Finland, criminal case wasn't opened, he's continue working in Finnish foreign ministry. That clearly means his actions are approved by Finland. I don't want your FM to resign (it's your problem, not mine), but that could be the best and harmless option for Finland in this situation. This is unprecedented situation (Vienna Convention is not just a piece of paper) and you should understand - there will be consequences.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#7 May 21, 2009
coolncrazy wrote:
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Appointing somebody at diplomatic post you make the state responsible for his actions. The guy wasn't arrested in Finland, criminal case wasn't opened, he's continue working in Finnish foreign ministry. That clearly means his actions are approved by Finland. I don't want your FM to resign (it's your problem, not mine), but that could be the best and harmless option for Finland in this situation. This is unprecedented situation (Vienna Convention is not just a piece of paper) and you should understand - there will be consequences.
Well we can agree on that. It is indeed little strange that there has been no investigation done by the Foreign Ministry.
Also it is pretty wierd to hear foreign minister Alexander Stubb to defend the diplomat. But that does still not change the fact that the State is not responsible for the actions of an individual.
Matti

Hämeenlinna, Finland

#8 May 21, 2009
coolncrazy wrote:
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And how should we understand when Finnish diplomat use his immunity as a Finnish official and when he use it as a "private person" (illegally)? Usually if the state appointed somebody to diplomatic post, the state bear responsibility for his actions under diplomatic cover. But Finland is a special case and don't want to bear responsibility for its own diplomats? This is shameful situation for Finland. I don't understand why Finnish FM didn't resigned till now.
ps Nobody care about the reasons of violating of Vienna Convention by Finnish diplomat. This isn't a story of father and son, but a story of Finnish official who used his diplomatic immunity to commit a crime and other Finnish officials who think there was nothing serious. It's look like Finnish foreign ministry is fulled by imbeciles.
This is at least as shameful for Russia's legal system.
What comes to diplomats your diplomats do similar things either for individual reasons or for the state. Don't be naive.
Terttu Finland

Helsinki, Finland

#9 May 21, 2009
Such a disgrace for our country! Finnish foreign minister must resign to save his country`s, my country`s reputation.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#10 May 21, 2009
Terttu Finland wrote:
Such a disgrace for our country! Finnish foreign minister must resign to save his country`s, my country`s reputation.
And why should he resign stupid? Yes it is a bit wierd the he seems to be defending the diplomat when he should be investigating and working together with the russian authorities.
Otto Von Baron

Basking Ridge, NJ

#11 May 21, 2009
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
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And why should he resign stupid? Yes it is a bit wierd the he seems to be defending the diplomat when he should be investigating and working together with the russian authorities.
Why are Finns such a puny country?

But I like the way Finns and Japs wish they were German like me!!! hehehehe

Aryan and proud!!!!!
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#12 May 21, 2009
Otto Von Baron wrote:
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Why are Finns such a puny country?
But I like the way Finns and Japs wish they were German like me!!! hehehehe
Aryan and proud!!!!!

“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#13 May 22, 2009
Matti wrote:
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This is at least as shameful for Russia's legal system.
What comes to diplomats your diplomats do similar things either for individual reasons or for the state. Don't be naive.
Russia has a "legal system" ? Since when ?

“Safe pair of hands”

Since: Nov 08

where the trouble is

#14 May 22, 2009
wipe-me, ever since you fell off that scaffold, do you remember ?
Tsar

Ylöjärvi, Finland

#15 May 22, 2009
I wonder how it was desided that taking Anton to Russia was considered as kidnapping. Finnish court believed Paavo without hearing Anton's mother Rimma. As Fins wonder how could Anton get Russian nationality so quickly, I wonder how Paavo got custody so quickly.

“Safe pair of hands”

Since: Nov 08

where the trouble is

#16 May 22, 2009
should anyone consider some finnish drunks seriously ?
we all know how these finns like to get loaded, don´t we ?
Passer by

Finland

#17 May 22, 2009
hi slowfuckya

“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#18 May 22, 2009
pesky the real deal wrote:
wipe-me, ever since you fell off that scaffold, do you remember ?
LOL...actually I hae fallen off a scaffold a few times.

:(
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#19 May 22, 2009
Tsar wrote:
I wonder how it was desided that taking Anton to Russia was considered as kidnapping. Finnish court believed Paavo without hearing Anton's mother Rimma. As Fins wonder how could Anton get Russian nationality so quickly, I wonder how Paavo got custody so quickly.
So are you a russian? LOL if you are than what are you doing here?
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#20 May 22, 2009
pesky the real deal wrote:
should anyone consider some finnish drunks seriously ?
we all know how these finns like to get loaded, don´t we ?
That is pretty funny considering the fact that Slovakia was a part of the Kingdom of Hungary from 1000-1919.

hahahahah pissy the slovak

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