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MANILA: China to Philippines: Quit Scarborough Shoal

There are 15227 comments on the Asia News Network story from Apr 18, 2012, titled MANILA: China to Philippines: Quit Scarborough Shoal. In it, Asia News Network reports that:

China has asked all Philippine vessels to leave immediately Scarborough Shoal and sent a second aircraft buzzing over the area to scare away Filipino fishermen, officials said yesterday.

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Australian

Adelaide, Australia

#13683 Sep 23, 2012
How Austronesian made craft? I dont think they could made boat! About 10,000 years ago, modern humans discovered how to make knives out of copper, and around 5,000 years ago, craftsmen in the Near East began to make them out of bronze. These early tools closely resembled the knives we use today, consisting of a piece of metal that was sharp on one end--the blade--and dull on the other--the tang. Usually a wooden or bone handle would be crafted around the tang to make it easier to hold. Later on, knives would be made out of iron and steel.
http://www.forbes.com/2005/08/31/technology-t...
Filipinos love to bushit and lied!
Australian

Adelaide, Australia

#13684 Sep 23, 2012
In spain colonial, filipinos only used little boat! They said trade by sea or ocean is bushit and lied!
In 15th or 16th cebtury, VN had sailing boat, but only for naval and other not allow to use or couldnt afford it. Anyway they cant prove their ancestors established the sovereignty over it. So filipinos used bushit and lied to claim the territories.
Australian

Adelaide, Australia

#13685 Sep 23, 2012
Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Spratly Islands and to the Paracel Islands:
http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/te...
And Japan returned it to China in 1946, and in 1956 Chinese established the monuments of the sovereignty on the islands.
http://books.google.com.au/books...
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/ar...
This was how WW2 finished and it is history of the world. Japan returned it to china infront of the world and on Spratly islands, it cant be lie and live forever.
Chinese discovery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Menzies
http://mitchtestone.blogspot.com.au/2009/11/c...
http://www.chinesemuseum.com.au/history.html
http://www.gavinmenzies.net/Evidence/10-annex...
Chinese found Spratly and they used it, later they lived on it and established the sovereignty over it. Chinese discovered Australia and they used it to dug golds, and it belong to Aboriginal and chinese did not established the sovereignty over it. Chinese found spratly and had been patroled by naval and established sovereignty so it belong to China. And discovered Australia are not enough to claim the sovereignty. Austronesian have nothing to do with spratly, filipinos want to bushit and lied to do the claim.
Juan

Meycauayan, Philippines

#13686 Sep 23, 2012
Whatever the reason of China is, Life is still more important than that Isand.
Because of this, Thousands, Millions or maybe Billions of Lives are at stake.
By the looks of things, this could be the spark of another World War.
I am a Filipino. I'm sorry but I think its better to give them that Isand,
since they are really persistent to have it. Yes we have a Poor Country.
Why? Because of our Greedy Politicians. We have a Corrupt Government.
Yes, that Island is full of Treasures.
We should've done something productive to it back then, right before china started to claim it.
If we did Win at claiming that Island, Who would benefit on it?
We Filipinos? Think again.
ONLY the Greedy Politicians and Corrupt Government will have the most out of it.
As usual.
What about the People who supposed to be fighting for it?
We will still be Poor.
Most of our People lived their whole lives trying to find something to eat everyday. And you People will give them the burden of War!?
Its not really fighting for our country or land,
deep inside it is only Greed.
Call me a Coward if you want, but Bravery is Not about fighting a Losing Battle, setting aside the lives of many people.
And they (Greedy Politicians) are ready to risk the lives of their People for their own benefit.
Imagine, if a war did happened.
After that, so much lives have been lost and in the end,
only the greedy ones will have their hands on the prize.
No way.
For the Sake of our People, China's People and also for the US's People.
So far, I think Philippines still have so much Natural Resources that is yet to be Discovered that we can claim as OUR OWN.
Greedy Politicians should move fast before China finds it first yet again.
Australian

Adelaide, Australia

#13687 Sep 23, 2012
War? You thinking too much! China not stupid to fight a war if not necessary, and also china with Philippine only conlict. War with china is very hard to make it happen, but if it happen it cant stop. I believe no war! Ofcourse US wishing China fight with the neighbors, but their wishes are failed!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13688 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
<quoted text>
You tried to explain is futile, because you want to use some of the history not relate to expalain it. Whatever it is, you are bushiting and lied.
In spratly islands cant find any Austronesian fossil and evidence. also Philippine history have no, Champa history have no. Austronesian inference have no relate to with Spratly islands, noone can prove it too!
Filipinos love bushit and lied!
You are the who cannot get it.

China people were not MARITIME peole

China is claiming that they first discovered the islands

and wow just in 1279

c'mon!

The Austronesians were maritime people

Champa was already trading with the Philippines thousands of years ago before china drew the map and before China learned sea navigation

Philippine - Vietnam TRADING ROUTE. Of course of you sail by boat you will pass by spratly and scarborough common sense!

There are over 25,000 Islands in Southeast Asia and not all islands are in the history book! ONLY the BIG ONCE where you can FIND PEOPLE!

Spratly islands and Scarborough were not habitable during ancient times and EVEN TODAY. Not only spratlys and Scarborough, a lot of islands in Southeast asia are not in the history books and maps because they are SMALL.

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13689 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
Explain the to have the truth! Explain also need evidence and history, if it is Prehistory and it need fossil. doesnt matter how filipinos bushit or lied, they cant prove anything! They talk and talk, at the end is nothing inside, just bushit and lied.
You should tell that to CHINA

it is very clear that they did not discover SOUTH CHINA SEA FIRST!

5,000 - 10,000 years ago people were already sailing the south China sea by boat.

1279 is so recent!!!

Austronesians, Indians, and Arabs went to CHINA to trade.

So they did not pass South China Sea? C'mon!!! Are you gonna tell me they flew by AIRPLANE during ancient times????

C'mon common sense!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13690 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
2 thousand years ago human want to build a sailing boat is not easy, those day had sailing boat was very high class. 2 thousand years ago in Asia only China had the power to build a lots of sailing boats. Austronesian only used craft or small boat, they went to phil were island by island in the north of Phil. Filipinos said their ancestors used the craft to crossed the ocean is bushit and lack of knowledge.
Only 2,000 years ago??

The Austronesians started sea navigation

5,000 to 10,000 years ago

The OUTRIGGER CANOE

Outrigger canoes were originally developed by the Austronesian speaking peoples of the islands of Southeast Asia for sea travel, and were used to transport these peoples both eastward to Polynesia and New Zealand and westward across the Indian Ocean as far as Madagascar during the Austronesian migration period. Even today, it is mostly among the Austronesian groups (Filipino, Malay, Micronesian, Melanesian and Polynesian peoples) that outrigger canoes are used.

The technology has persisted into the modern age. Outrigger canoes can be quite large fishing or transport vessels, and in the Philippines, outrigger canoes (called bangka, parao or balanghai) are often fitted with petrol engines. The links between seafaring and outrigger canoes in the Philippines extend through to political life, in which the smallest political unit in the country still called Barangay after the historical Balangai outrigger proas used in the original migrations of the first Austronesian peoples across the archipelago and beyond.

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Even in Modern Times, OUTRIGGER CANOES are still used!!!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13691 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
How Austronesian made craft? I dont think they could made boat! About 10,000 years ago, modern humans discovered how to make knives out of copper, and around 5,000 years ago, craftsmen in the Near East began to make them out of bronze. These early tools closely resembled the knives we use today, consisting of a piece of metal that was sharp on one end--the blade--and dull on the other--the tang. Usually a wooden or bone handle would be crafted around the tang to make it easier to hold. Later on, knives would be made out of iron and steel.
http://www.forbes.com/2005/08/31/technology-t...
Filipinos love to bushit and lied!
You clearly lack knowledge

Anthropologists and other scientists already confirmed that the Austronesians traveled by boat.

See my Outrigger Canoe post above

Austronesian Boats

http://postimage.org/image/wijwqx4r5/ - each sides have balancing wood

http://postimage.org/image/4fueyljq3/ - House Boats. If you notice their houses are by the SEA

they are seafarer, they travel by SEA and not BY LAND!

http://postimage.org/image/uyje9sxhr/ - the double boat! Very good in BIG WAVES for balancing

http://postimage.org/image/w75j6ozrv/ - the double boat that can carry a lot of people!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13692 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
In spain colonial, filipinos only used little boat! They said trade by sea or ocean is bushit and lied!
In 15th or 16th cebtury, VN had sailing boat, but only for naval and other not allow to use or couldnt afford it. Anyway they cant prove their ancestors established the sovereignty over it. So filipinos used bushit and lied to claim the territories.
You are still in denial

Its not all about the CHINESE

I know China has a GREAT CIVILIZATION but

THERE'S also OTHER PEOPLE in the world, not only CHINESE

1. First of all 5,000-10,000 years ago, the AUSTRONESIAN moved out of Taiwan to populate The Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia etc.

http://i46.tinypic.com/5be338.jpg

2. Secondly, before the SPANISH came and before the CHINESE drew their 1279 map, CHAMPA, the Philippines were already trading with each other

http://postimage.org/image/u232k8i03/ - probable trading route

See! The South China Sea was their ANCIENT trading ROUTE!

How could have they possibly skipped the SPRATLYS and Scarborough?

By Airplane? lol

Arabs, Indians, and other Southeast Asians traded with CHINA in the ANCIENT TIMES. They used the South China Sea! They passed by the Spratlys and Scarborough. Don't tell me they flew by AIRPLANE to CHINA haha!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13693 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
War? You thinking too much! China not stupid to fight a war if not necessary, and also china with Philippine only conlict. War with china is very hard to make it happen, but if it happen it cant stop. I believe no war! Ofcourse US wishing China fight with the neighbors, but their wishes are failed!
I am sorry BUT China's First Discovery is a LIE

History and Science can prove CHINA is LYING!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13694 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
Explain the to have the truth! Explain also need evidence and history, if it is Prehistory and it need fossil. doesnt matter how filipinos bushit or lied, they cant prove anything! They talk and talk, at the end is nothing inside, just bushit and lied.
Lol pots and coins are recent OBJECTS

The Islands did not appear in 1279 only!

The Islands have been there long long time ago

did you know that the SOUTH CHINA SEA was an International trading route even during the ancient times?

The Austronesians exchanged spice and other raw materials in exchange of CHINESE potteries, coins and other stuff

also the Indians and Arabs traded with the CHINESE.

You cannot argue that they were brought by the chinese as the indians, arabs, and austronesians traded with CHINA.

China gave gold coins and potteries to the austronesians, indians, and arabs.

and you can find it in CHINESE history books

And plus where are the pictures or relics?

Anyone can say they found this and that.

And who found the coins and potteries? The Chinese themselves lol
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Also not only in the spratlys

han coins and potteries can be found anywhere in the region

an evidence that the chinese traded with them

example 1

Sarawak (Borneo, Malaysia) was a center for trade for merchants from China, India and Arabia. Chinese coins and Han pottery found at the mouth of the Sarawak River show that Chinese traders had been on Sarawak.

Example 2

Sri Lanka

New research has now revealed that most of those garnets were from India and Sri Lanka. Spices were also exported from the island. The dig has uncovered Sassanian (Persian) and Chinese pottery as well as Roman coins.

Example 3

BRUNEI

Brunei's jungle produce: bezoar stones, hornbill ivory, timber and birds' nests. Chinese coins dating from the eighth century have been unearthed at Kota Batu, 3 km from Bandar Seri Begawan. Large quantities of Chinese porcelain dating from the Tang, Sung and Ming dynasties have also been found. The sultanate was on the main trade route between China and the western reaches of the Malayan archipelago and by the 10th to the 13th centuries trade was booming. By the turn of the 15th century there was a sizeable Chinese population settled in Brunei.

4. India

This impression of changing fortunes is reinforced by the three early thirteenth century hoards of Chinese coins found on the coast of Tamil Nadu.

5. etc etc.

See! Chinese pots and coins were also found in Malaysia, Brunei, India, and Sri Lanka!

Did China discover those lands? NO!

They TRADED with them!

And don't forget the austronesians travelled to Southeast Asia from taiwan 5,000- 10,000 years ago.

It predates any CHINESE accounts and relics according to ANTHROPOLY AND ARCHAOELOGY

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13695 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
Explain the to have the truth! Explain also need evidence and history, if it is Prehistory and it need fossil. doesnt matter how filipinos bushit or lied, they cant prove anything! They talk and talk, at the end is nothing inside, just bushit and lied.
Fossil from 1279? That is very recent. It just showed that during that time the people were trading and History can validate that!

1279 is so so so RECENT!

Austronesians have been sailing the South China Sea thousands of years ago!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13696 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
Explain the to have the truth! Explain also need evidence and history, if it is Prehistory and it need fossil. doesnt matter how filipinos bushit or lied, they cant prove anything! They talk and talk, at the end is nothing inside, just bushit and lied.
If you were a Scientist and were given the following Information:

1. Animated Gif presentation of the various Chinese Dynasties showing their respected borders:

http://postimage.org/image/hdyhza9or/ - Please wait till the presentation is finished.

China claims they first discovered the Islands in 1279 and Admiral Zheng's voyage started in the 1400s

2. Austronesian Expansion

http://i46.tinypic.com/5be338.jpg

http://postimage.org/image/vbe3om49n/

Austronesians moved out of Continental Asia (China) and Taiwan 5,000 years ago.

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How would you analyze this given Information.

1. First of ALL use your COMMON SENSE

2. Based on the info given, the CHINESE were never maritime peoples until just recently.

3. The Austronesians DISCOVERED the South China sea before the HANS as they used these waters to populate VIETNAM (Champa), The Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, and parts of MAINLAND Southeast Asia (parts of Cambodia and Thailand) 5,000 years ago.

4. The Chinese expansion were mainly LAND based and was not sea based.

5. The Austronesians from Southeast Asia later on populated the rest of the Pacific Islands and Madagascar (Africa) as a PROOF that they were MARITIME people.

6. The south china sea was the Austronesian's HISTORIC waters as they used this sea to populate their first TERRITORIES 5,000 years ago.

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See the Austronesian Heritage is backed by MODERN SCIENCE!

and also

COMMON SENSE!

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ANTHROPOLOGY is the academic study of humanity. It has origins in the humanities, the natural sciences, and the social sciences. The term "anthropology" is from the Greek anthr&#333;pos ,"man", understood to mean humankind or humanity, and -logia, "discourse" or "study." Which includes topics such as music, culture, and more.

ARCHAEOLOGY, or archeology (from Greek , archaiologia , arkhaios, "ancient"; and ,-logia, "-logy]"), is the study of human activity in the past, primarily through the recovery and analysis of the material culture and environmental data that they have left behind, which includes artifacts, architecture, biofacts and cultural landscapes (the archaeological record).

LINGUISTICS - is the scientific study of human language.

The Sciences above SUPPORTS the AUSTRONESIAN HERITAGE!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13697 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
Explain the to have the truth! Explain also need evidence and history, if it is Prehistory and it need fossil. doesnt matter how filipinos bushit or lied, they cant prove anything! They talk and talk, at the end is nothing inside, just bushit and lied.
You will not see Spratlys or Scarborough in any Austronesian History book as they are SO SMALL and UNINHABITABLE!

Big Islands were only mentioned like Luzon, Java, Borneo, Sumatra etc.

There are 25,000 MALAY islands in SOUTHEAST ASIA

It is very impossible to find all in the history books

HISTORIANS ONLY CARED about the MAJOR HABITABLE ISLANDS which are what, less that 20 or 50 out the 25,000 Islands.

But if you use your COMMON SENSE

and you know that CHMAPA and the Philippines traded during prehistory,

you will conclude that they PASSED by the Spratlys as they used the SEA to trade and not AIRPLANES

if you use your COMMON SENSE!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13699 Sep 23, 2012
Australian wrote:
Explain the to have the truth! Explain also need evidence and history, if it is Prehistory and it need fossil. doesnt matter how filipinos bushit or lied, they cant prove anything! They talk and talk, at the end is nothing inside, just bushit and lied.
Even INDIANS agreed that

Malay seagoing prowess was to be overtaken by south Indians and Arabs, but they remained the premier sea-farers in Southeast Asia until well into the era of European dominance of the region.

and agreed that Chinese sailors were latecomers to the South China Sea

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2...

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13701 Sep 23, 2012
Despite the Chinese orientation of its English name, parts of the South China Sea are claimed by The Philippines, which now calls it the West Philippine Sea, by Vietnam, which calls it the East Sea, and by Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei and Taiwan. Southeast Asians used to call it the Sea of Cham, after the ancient Champa kingdom that prospered in the region until 500 years ago.

http://namvietnews.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/a...

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#13702 Sep 23, 2012
The ANCIENT name of the South China Sea is

the

CHAM SEA or the SEA of CHAM

named after the powerful Austronesian MARTIME EMPIRE OF CHAM.

An evidence that shows CHINA was NOT A MARITIME power during the Ancient times

The Chinese were "LAND People"
excartpuller

Saint Paul, MN

#13703 Sep 23, 2012
The chinese will always be on the offensive with their rant of their version of far out historical claim with a threat of economic and military power, it would be a different ball gamer if they are small and weak so that they have no means to be bull headed about their severely distorted claim.
Filmalay

Anonymous Proxy

#13705 Sep 23, 2012
excartpuller wrote:
The chinese will always be on the offensive with their rant of their version of far out historical claim with a threat of economic and military power, it would be a different ball gamer if they are small and weak so that they have no means to be bull headed about their severely distorted claim.
Excerpts from a news article:

'The Deputy Prime Minister said Malaysia believed that the overlapping claims should be resolved peacefully through dialogues and negotiations between the countries involved, without involving military powers and intimidation, and that it should also be based on international law and not history.'

With the above statement, China should shape up or risk being isolated.

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