Assange Underground in Toronto: next ...

Assange Underground in Toronto: next stop Australia

There are 230 comments on the Crikey story from Sep 11, 2012, titled Assange Underground in Toronto: next stop Australia. In it, Crikey reports that:

Julian Assange probably can't slip out of the Ecuadorian embassy to enjoy London's attractions, but at least there's movie night.

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Australia

#90 Oct 7, 2012
Republican Eagle wrote:
<quoted text> I think Assange should be at home looking after his kids and doing the right thing and also should donate alot of that money to charity while his at it and get a real job just like the rest of us.
Watching that movie made me think exactly the same thing.

And the other thing that really sticks out is that he SOLD information to some as yet un-named (?) government.

I didn't journalists were supposed to sell information?

He should have been raising his kids, not taking on the 'world according to those who hate the U.S.'
FarNorthWeaver

Coeur D Alene, ID

#91 Oct 10, 2012
No matter wrote:
Oh you Americans... You are the cancer of the world, yet you don't know it. It's like the feeling you get when you're talking to a really dumb person who is so dumb that you just give up. You are just so idiotic that it's beyond what words can express.
Spoken like a true idiot.
The best way to put it...would be the US Government, not the Americans. Many will say that we've voted for the criminals that are in office here. In this ocuntry, the idea that a vote actually counts, is complete BullSh**.
How many people that are Americans do you actually know? Truthfully.
FarNorthWeaver

Coeur D Alene, ID

#92 Oct 10, 2012
Republican Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah if I can download it rather than give him money I will check it out.
And the following people never committed espionage either.
Harold Holt
JF Kennedy
Ron Paul
Martin Luther King
Derryn Hinch
John Laws
Pauline Hanson
Cory Bernardi
Peter Forde
By the US Constitution, you know, the Law, Assange Did Not commit espionage.
You're another that doesn't read. Amazing how many non-readers reply to things like this. The minds of the mass-holes, worthless.
sid

Chermside, Australia

#93 Oct 10, 2012
Drovers-Dog wrote:
There is nothing about assange that rings of honesty. He's a man who is wanted for sexual crimes and rape in Sweden and for crimes in the US. If he believes that he is not guilty of any of the sex crimes he is alleged to have committed in Sweden, then he should be willing to go back and answer the charges like a real man. And also in the US. If he gets to the firing squad or the gas chamber then face it like a man. He will have the right of appeal and in the US that can take up to 20yrs before they rub u out.
Why don't you try a little independant thought instead of following mainstream kneejerk reaction. Did Assange manufacture any of the information realeased, NO, has assange been accused of lying, NO, was Assange the one spying on foreign nationals in their own country, NO, did Assange know the exact source of the information, NO, have any deaths been directly attributed to the released information, NO.
The trechery of the US military has been revealed and they don't like it, well tough shit, they have been doing it for decades and got caught with there pants down and instead of showing some balls and accepting responsibility they try to make out Assange is a criminal when the very acts they have been pulling off for years are criminal on a grand scale.
I can't understand why you and your mates doggedly defend american military imperialism, you are just fortunate you are not on the receiving end of it otherwise you would be singing a different tune.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#94 Oct 11, 2012
FarNorthWeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
By the US Constitution, you know, the Law, Assange Did Not commit espionage.
You're another that doesn't read. Amazing how many non-readers reply to things like this. The minds of the mass-holes, worthless.
Well I think you need to go and get fucked!, I have never herd of him once bring up on the subject of Muslim's taking over Europe, Irans desire to destroy Israel or ever revile nothing about Human rights abuses in the Middle East either by Al qaeda and there 30+ other Terrorist chapter groups who are also involved. Am'I right?
Makes me wonder who he works for?????
Mark

Tullamarine, Australia

#95 Oct 12, 2012
For a country that values free speech so dearly they sure seem to be interested in this one individual... who did nothing but speak freely... I forget, which side is against terrorism?
huh

Australia

#96 Oct 12, 2012
Assange did not 'speak freely'. He was given information from people inside the US military, hacked into computers and put this information online.

There is a difference between being a hacker and a journalist. The former is a thief, the latter has learned and uses a system of ethical standards in order to protect individuals.

“shirley you cant be serious ”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#97 Oct 12, 2012
if it wasnt for assange a nd wikileaks we would never have seen the footage of the gun happy us army helicopter crew whooping it up and shooting to death a dozen innocent iraqi journalists - wanton murder it was ...
huh

Australia

#98 Oct 12, 2012
tinydropthestickgooddog wrote:
if it wasnt for assange a nd wikileaks we would never have seen the footage of the gun happy us army helicopter crew whooping it up and shooting to death a dozen innocent iraqi journalists - wanton murder it was ...
Yes, that is true. But it is also true that he hasn't bothered to 'expose' any other atrocities. It's clear that he was born and bred to hate the US. It's also known now that he sold information to a foreign (can only guess ME) government. He also made a sh*tload of money for his efforts - follow the money if you want to find out who's who.

He doesn't seem to me to be much more than a parasite who hitched his wagon to the biggest thing he could find in order to feed a bankrupt ego.

I'm also pretty convinced the world would have found out without him and he's no hero, not really. Not gonna turn him into one.
Mark

Tullamarine, Australia

#99 Oct 12, 2012
So you acknowledge that he exposed atrocities and are upset that he has not exposed more? Sounds like your arguing for the wrong team huh.
Mark

Tullamarine, Australia

#100 Oct 12, 2012
He's also dedicated his life to exposing atrocities; so suggesting he hasn't bothered is not quite true.
huh

Australia

#101 Oct 12, 2012
Mark wrote:
So you acknowledge that he exposed atrocities and are upset that he has not exposed more? Sounds like your arguing for the wrong team huh.
I don't think it's quite accurate to state that Assange 'exposed' atrocities and that he himself is a hero and someone to revere as a result.

He was given information, and he hacked for information and put it online - and in spite of that I do think that we would have found out regardless and without having to deal with the personality cult that grew up around this individual.

And no, I'm not actually arguing for any 'team' because I don't think it's that simple.

Mark

Tullamarine, Australia

#102 Oct 12, 2012
This guy has gone to a lot of effort to publish facts. That is good.

How would we have found out otherwise? Would that new source be admired for whistle-blowing? Should their motives for coming forward be questioned and the information be discredited based on them?

He can't be blamed for receiving something he has been given. He didn't steal anything - the military still holds the original documents. His methods have proved effective and timely.
huh

Australia

#103 Oct 12, 2012
Mark wrote:
This guy has gone to a lot of effort to publish facts. That is good.
How would we have found out otherwise? Would that new source be admired for whistle-blowing? Should their motives for coming forward be questioned and the information be discredited based on them?
He can't be blamed for receiving something he has been given. He didn't steal anything - the military still holds the original documents. His methods have proved effective and timely.
Why do we need to admire sources of information? It's just information. I don't need a personality to give me information - I just want the information, and the opportunity to make up my own mind without the interruption of a personality that I may like or dislike based on my own personal preferences. I frankly dislike his - and I would have taken it better from someone else who wasn't nearly interested in developing the hero persona; I find his effort distasteful and distorting to the actual message. In that sense, his methods were not all that effective; and many people seem to find him rather distasteful, even pathetic.

He can't be blamed for what he was given, but I'm not sure that he also CAN'T be blamed for putting the information out there - he certainly is responsible for doing precisely that.

As well, the concept and definition of stealing (and publishing) has developed new gray areas since the inception of the internet and plagiarism a default position for so many out there...
UScitizenAbroad

Tolland, Australia

#104 Oct 12, 2012
Still using your false US proxy, Mr Humbert ? ;)

Mr Humbert, the noodle-slurping, non-American, employed anti-Western astroturfer, doesn't actually care about Assange or US national security. ;)

Humbert only exists to sow discord between the solid US-Aussie alliance. Been at it for 4 years now, the little cnut. He tries to slanderously elucidate outrage between Americans and our good Aussie friends.)) To build a google-search hit list of slanderous bile. Thousands of threads and posts created by cnut to outage Americans and Australians.

Now, which big East Asian power relishes the US-Aussie alliance broken and thus Australia exposed to their geopolitical coercion ?)) Humbert keeps chipping away....

Mr Humbert wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iGp3mUIemL0XX
Have you ever hated someone SO MUCH YOU WANNA GODDAMN SCREAM! This Assange asshole is a piece of work.
NOW A MOVIE for godsake! For this TERRORIST! And you wonder why THE WORLD HATES YOU AUSTRALIA?
No its not because you don't tip or go barefooted. Thats forgiveable. Aussie Aussie oi oi chant is grating BUT TO SUPPORT THIS TERRORIST is unforgiveable and it MEANS YOU ARE AMERICA's ENEMY.
See you in WW3 deadbeats.......
Tony Guerra

San Antonio, TX

#105 Oct 12, 2012
Mr Humbert wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iGp3mUIemL0XX
Have you ever hated someone SO MUCH YOU WANNA GODDAMN SCREAM! This Assange asshole is a piece of work.
NOW A MOVIE for godsake! For this TERRORIST! And you wonder why THE WORLD HATES YOU AUSTRALIA?
No its not because you don't tip or go barefooted. Thats forgiveable. Aussie Aussie oi oi chant is grating BUT TO SUPPORT THIS TERRORIST is unforgiveable and it MEANS YOU ARE AMERICA's ENEMY.
See you in WW3 deadbeats.......
Do you consider Assange a terrorist for exposing classified information? Even if the information exposed contained criminal behavior?
Mark

Tullamarine, Australia

#106 Oct 12, 2012
huh wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do we need to admire sources of information? It's just information. I don't need a personality to give me information - I just want the information, and the opportunity to make up my own mind without the interruption of a personality that I may like or dislike based on my own personal preferences. I frankly dislike his - and I would have taken it better from someone else who wasn't nearly interested in developing the hero persona; I find his effort distasteful and distorting to the actual message. In that sense, his methods were not all that effective; and many people seem to find him rather distasteful, even pathetic.
He can't be blamed for what he was given, but I'm not sure that he also CAN'T be blamed for putting the information out there - he certainly is responsible for doing precisely that.
As well, the concept and definition of stealing (and publishing) has developed new gray areas since the inception of the internet and plagiarism a default position for so many out there...
You're absolutely right huh. We don't need a personality for our information. We just need it to be made available. I agree with what you're saying. This is exactly what Wikileaks is all about. However, I'm not convinced that you do want the information published.

You start to say personality is unimportant then you elaborate on how you dislike his, and continue to call him names. Would you be more comfortable if graphic details of thousands of civilian brutal murders had come from someone with a more pleasing personality? Is that important to you? Would you prefer to hear of indiscriminate village bombardment from a sexy charismatic celebrity with a twinkle in their eye?

The real issue here is that positions of authority are upset that their abuse has been revealed. Assange is pretty central to this. He has been made a figurehead for both sides of the argument. Some can point the finger and say "he's the bad guy and he's a rapist too!". The attacks on his personality are in an attempt to marginalise and discredit the information.

That information provided is raw and unbiased so an easier target is isolating a leader and taking him down.

Like him or not, he has helped to expose some rather undesirable behaviour.

The goal is justice, the method is transparent.
huh

Australia

#107 Oct 12, 2012
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
You're absolutely right huh. We don't need a personality for our information. We just need it to be made available. I agree with what you're saying. This is exactly what Wikileaks is all about. However, I'm not convinced that you do want the information published.
You start to say personality is unimportant then you elaborate on how you dislike his, and continue to call him names. Would you be more comfortable if graphic details of thousands of civilian brutal murders had come from someone with a more pleasing personality? Is that important to you? Would you prefer to hear of indiscriminate village bombardment from a sexy charismatic celebrity with a twinkle in their eye?
The real issue here is that positions of authority are upset that their abuse has been revealed. Assange is pretty central to this. He has been made a figurehead for both sides of the argument. Some can point the finger and say "he's the bad guy and he's a rapist too!". The attacks on his personality are in an attempt to marginalise and discredit the information.
That information provided is raw and unbiased so an easier target is isolating a leader and taking him down.
Like him or not, he has helped to expose some rather undesirable behaviour.
The goal is justice, the method is transparent.
You confuse name calling with description.

And yes, I would have taken the information supplied better if it hadn't been confused with a personality I find somewhat repellent. That he is now a rock star undermines the very cause he purports to drive.
Mark

Tullamarine, Australia

#108 Oct 12, 2012
That sounds very narrow minded huh, you seem fairly intelligent, I bet a part of you doesn't fully agree with what you just said. I didn't particularly like my teachers at school, but that didn't make their facts any less true.
huh

Australia

#109 Oct 12, 2012
Mark wrote:
That sounds very narrow minded huh, you seem fairly intelligent, I bet a part of you doesn't fully agree with what you just said. I didn't particularly like my teachers at school, but that didn't make their facts any less true.
Did you turn the teachers you liked into heroes and messengers of 'truth'?

The problem with Assange, and his fans, is that the message is confused with the messenger. I can accept the message - but that doesn't turn the messenger into a hero who 'tells the truth' and requires my support.

Assange is not a hero. He didn't 'tell the truth' he published material he was given and hacked into computers. If you separate the man from the message you'll see that the message deserves your support - not the man.

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