Perspective: Do kiddie pageants border on child abuse?

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Barbie just celebrated her 50th birthday, and still the debate rages on among concerned moms: harmless doll or body-image bruiser? Barbie's one thing, but I can't imagine why there's any debate over glitzy ...
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ronjon

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Just watched Little Miss Perfect on one of the local cable stations. This is my opinion and people will disagree, but these parents need to be accused of child abuse! Hearing the mothers talk so condescendingly to their little girls one minute so they will get on the stage and look like a little made up adult is positively sickening! I wonder if these little girls are as happy as their mothers seem to believe they are. Confused would be the term I would use, for a kid who is mainly used to be something the mother never was, for money and a trophy. They are drug all over, groomed like show animals, in fact, even talked to like people who get show animals to behave on stage! How do these kids ever have a normal relationship with their mother? Social Services ought to look into this inhumane treatment of little girls and see what they think and interview the little girls without the mothers around. It might be pretty shocking!
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ronjon wrote:
Just watched Little Miss Perfect on one of the local cable stations. This is my opinion and people will disagree, but these parents need to be accused of child abuse! Hearing the mothers talk so condescendingly to their little girls one minute so they will get on the stage and look like a little made up adult is positively sickening! I wonder if these little girls are as happy as their mothers seem to believe they are. Confused would be the term I would use, for a kid who is mainly used to be something the mother never was, for money and a trophy. They are drug all over, groomed like show animals, in fact, even talked to like people who get show animals to behave on stage! How do these kids ever have a normal relationship with their mother? Social Services ought to look into this inhumane treatment of little girls and see what they think and interview the little girls without the mothers around. It might be pretty shocking!
Absolutely, it is child abuse. No doubt about it. The child has absolutely no rights at all.
jahazafat

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Child beauty pageants are a business, not an activity that encourages children to grow, learn and develop. They exist as a source of income for the people that promote them. Parents use their children like pawns in them. JonBenet didnít win any pageants because she was better looking than another child. Patsy and the money she expended on the pageants caught the judgeís eye. The biggest prize is scholarship money and for some girls if thatís all they have it may be a blessing but for JonBenet the last thing she would have needed was to be crowned Miss America. Poor JonBenet didnít just have her mom, it was also her grandmother and aunt that pushed her until she broke.

I donít know if the pageants themselves can be called abuse but Patsy Ramsey sure as hell abused JonBenet every 6 weeks or do to maintain her blond hair. I canít figure the people that claim there was no history of abuse when there are hundreds of pictures right under their noses. It is blatant. It would have been emotionally and physically painful for JonBenet to sit and have the chemicals put on her head. It took away from time she should have been doing things kids do, building with constructive toys, imagining she was a bunny rabbit, or coloring a picture of springtime. Those are the things little children learn from. Not sitting on a toilet while your mom painfully turns your hair and personality into an artificial presentation.

That is a an avenue the investigation should surely follow.

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Child beauty pageants are a business, not an activity that encourages children to grow, learn and develop. They exist as a source of income for the people that promote them. Parents use their children like pawns in them. JonBenet didnít win any pageants because she was better looking than another child. Patsy and the money she expended on the pageants caught the judgeís eye. The biggest prize is scholarship money and for some girls if thatís all they have it may be a blessing but for JonBenet the last thing she would have needed was to be crowned Miss America. Poor JonBenet didnít just have her mom, it was also her grandmother and aunt that pushed her until she broke.
I donít know if the pageants themselves can be called abuse but Patsy Ramsey sure as hell abused JonBenet every 6 weeks or do to maintain her blond hair. I canít figure the people that claim there was no history of abuse when there are hundreds of pictures right under their noses. It is blatant. It would have been emotionally and physically painful for JonBenet to sit and have the chemicals put on her head. It took away from time she should have been doing things kids do, building with constructive toys, imagining she was a bunny rabbit, or coloring a picture of springtime. Those are the things little children learn from. Not sitting on a toilet while your mom painfully turns your hair and personality into an artificial presentation.
That is a an avenue the investigation should surely follow.
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I concur.
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The pageants are very different from little league or organized sports such as gymnastics because of the overt and necessary parental involvment. It is a competetion among the adults and has nothing to do with the kids. The parents could just as well each be given a dead cat and seen how much fancier one could dress it or make it smell better than the others.

The children are just objects in the game, and open to abuse.

JonBenet was ritually abused every six weeks or so to maintain her blond hair for the pageants. A mother that would do that would be capable of far worse.

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You are right Jahazafat

Those ridiculous posters who just love to jump on the little league, gymnastics, etc. have found a handy, dandy comeback for the abuse of children in pageants, who probably only voice these opinions to defend the Ramseys and in private, likely condemn the parents who participate in the over the top pageants as Patsy did.

Yes, there are parents in little league, etc. who go too far and live through their children, but the pageants are a legal and unfortunately, acceptable form of abuse; no regulations, no control, no oversight. It's a black eye for those who sponsor these child "pornish" events for the fees that these mothers, etc. gladly sacrifice the rest of their families needs to pay.

Their daughters MUST win AT ALL COST

Child abuse, plain and simple
jahazafat

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Capricorn wrote:
You are right Jahazafat
Those ridiculous posters who just love to jump on the little league, gymnastics, etc. have found a handy, dandy comeback for the abuse of children in pageants, who probably only voice these opinions to defend the Ramseys and in private, likely condemn the parents who participate in the over the top pageants as Patsy did.
Yes, there are parents in little league, etc. who go too far and live through their children, but the pageants are a legal and unfortunately, acceptable form of abuse; no regulations, no control, no oversight. It's a black eye for those who sponsor these child "pornish" events for the fees that these mothers, etc. gladly sacrifice the rest of their families needs to pay.
Their daughters MUST win AT ALL COST
Child abuse, plain and simple
Yeppers Cap, if their daughter's win they win, the mothers are pageant princesses and queens too. If their daughters lose they are the red haired step children.

I have read of parents soliciting 'private' donations to sponsor their kids in pageants when they can't afford to pay. There's an online link where you can donate.

http://www.retro-housewife.com/sponsor-beauty...

The kids that were competeting with JonBenet are coming onto their own now. Those are the kids that should be speaking and should be checked by mental health professionals. I wonder how screwed up they are? What's become of the seamstress' daughter, Pam Griffin and Kristine?
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If you make your children wash their hands, that's child abuse.
If you make your children go to school, that's child abuse.
If you make your children take piano lessons, that's child abuse.
If your children want to drink bleach and you don't let them, that's child abuse.
If your children want to scream and cry in public and you don't let them, that's child abuse.
etc. etc. etc.
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shill wrote:
If you make your children wash their hands, that's child abuse.
If you make your children go to school, that's child abuse.
If you make your children take piano lessons, that's child abuse.
If your children want to drink bleach and you don't let them, that's child abuse.
If your children want to scream and cry in public and you don't let them, that's child abuse.
etc. etc. etc.
What a stupid response Shill. Is that the best you can do for comparison to PAGEANTS??? Seems so

Here's some more:

If you make your children dye their hair, cap their teeth and dress like a harlot AT SIX YEARS OLD...IT'S CHILD ABUSE

If a six year old WHO CAN'T EVEN READ is taking dance lessons, FRENCH LESSONS (wtf?), photo shoots, hair and make up "sessions", costume fittings, etc. and obviously doesn't have time to be a six year old ...IT'S CHILD ABUSE!

if your children scream and cry while working in the pageants and the parents DON'T withdraw them and take them home.....IT'S CHILD ABUSE

If your sister and mother DEMAND that your child WILL BE MISS AMERICA (compliments of Nedra)...IT'S CHILD ABUSE

And lastly:

If your child has chronic vaginal injuries "over time" like the EXPERTS claim, it translates into being SEXUALLY ABUSED.....THAT'S CHILD ABUSE AT IT'S FINEST!!!!!

Grow a brain!
shill

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Capricorn wrote:
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What a stupid response Shill. Is that the best you can do for comparison to PAGEANTS??? Seems so
Here's some more:
If you make your children dye their hair, cap their teeth and dress like a harlot AT SIX YEARS OLD...IT'S CHILD ABUSE
If a six year old WHO CAN'T EVEN READ is taking dance lessons, FRENCH LESSONS (wtf?), photo shoots, hair and make up "sessions", costume fittings, etc. and obviously doesn't have time to be a six year old ...IT'S CHILD ABUSE!
if your children scream and cry while working in the pageants and the parents DON'T withdraw them and take them home.....IT'S CHILD ABUSE
If your sister and mother DEMAND that your child WILL BE MISS AMERICA (compliments of Nedra)...IT'S CHILD ABUSE
And lastly:
If your child has chronic vaginal injuries "over time" like the EXPERTS claim, it translates into being SEXUALLY ABUSED.....THAT'S CHILD ABUSE AT IT'S FINEST!!!!!
Grow a brain!
Ya, you're brilliant, you list one form of child abuse over and over, beauty pageants, and I'm the one who can't come up with any comparisons.

Try that is your opinion that equates to what can be a never ending list of what someone might consider child abuse, and yet there are no laws or punishment for it.

If you had half a brain, you would have realized now in America (that country where you claim to have the freedom to judge people before proven guilty), if a parent hits their child, the child can call the cops and they will get arrested and go to jail, it's the law.

Now please show me the child abuse laws pertaining to child beauty pageants if it's child abuse.

Do you really think your sh*t doesn't stink, because I can smell you from the other side of the country?
jahazafat

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Patsy ritually abused JonBenet by bleaching her hair every six weeks or so. With the blessing and encouragement from her sister and mother no less. Nedra had nothing but her claim as sending two daughters to Miss America. To send JonBenet to Miss America was to be her crowning glory. Patsy was willing to sacrifice JonBenet for her mother's benefit.

There aren't warnings labels against using hair coloring kits on children because the companies don't figure parents would be so assinine enough to use them. The caps are adult size and any product testing has been on adults. Same reason there aern't warning labels on thumbtacks against adding them to spaghettios.

Patsy was a freaking nutcase but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt considering the potential mental and emotional side effects of her experimental cancer treatments and chemotherapy. She was likely being given hormones and drugs that made PMS a stroll down a country lane.

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What a stupid response Shill. Is that the best you can do for comparison to PAGEANTS??? Seems so
Here's some more:
If you make your children dye their hair, cap their teeth and dress like a harlot AT SIX YEARS OLD...IT'S CHILD ABUSE
If a six year old WHO CAN'T EVEN READ is taking dance lessons, FRENCH LESSONS (wtf?), photo shoots, hair and make up "sessions", costume fittings, etc. and obviously doesn't have time to be a six year old ...IT'S CHILD ABUSE!
if your children scream and cry while working in the pageants and the parents DON'T withdraw them and take them home.....IT'S CHILD ABUSE
If your sister and mother DEMAND that your child WILL BE MISS AMERICA (compliments of Nedra)...IT'S CHILD ABUSE
And lastly:
If your child has chronic vaginal injuries "over time" like the EXPERTS claim, it translates into being SEXUALLY ABUSED.....THAT'S CHILD ABUSE AT IT'S FINEST!!!!!
Grow a brain!
Sounds like "Shill" is a pageant mom! People need to show common sense when raising kids. I know, lots of parents don't and kiddie beauty pageants is one area where they don't. These little girls are coercised into telling people how much they like doing the pageants, but no one actually gets the child's point of view when they are being drug from city to city, made up and dressed like trashy women, "shown" on stage like you see at the dog shows, hair dyed, teased, etc. The mothers for the most part, and I'm not saying all of them are this way, but the majority of the moms are nagging at the little girl about her routine, her smile, her performance on stage. When does this child ever get to just be herself? Kids need discipline but they also need to be allowed to be themselves, which, you can't convince me that these little beauty queens ever are. It's disgusting! Oh, by the way, I raised 5 kids. Not one of them ever threatened to call the law on me for being disciplined. They are all professional people!
These moms sure aren't thinking about the emotional and psychological harm they are doing do these little girls!
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shill wrote:
<quoted text>Ya, you're brilliant, you list one form of child abuse over and over, beauty pageants, and I'm the one who can't come up with any comparisons.
Try that is your opinion that equates to what can be a never ending list of what someone might consider child abuse, and yet there are no laws or punishment for it.
If you had half a brain, you would have realized now in America (that country where you claim to have the freedom to judge people before proven guilty), if a parent hits their child, the child can call the cops and they will get arrested and go to jail, it's the law.
Now please show me the child abuse laws pertaining to child beauty pageants if it's child abuse.
Do you really think your sh*t doesn't stink, because I can smell you from the other side of the country?
A child can also be verbally abused but no one can be arrested for it. Does that mean it's ok to tell your kid that they are ugly, stupid and worthless? Do you think a child isn't damaged by verbal abuse just because "there's no law against it?" Child abuse isn't limited to physical abuse.
I don't think the child beauty pageants are "abusive" but they are exploitive and I don't think they are healthy. They send the message to little girls that they have to be pretty or they are nothing. Women and girls have enough issues with body image as it is. Why would anyone want to "teach" a little girl that she has to be "perfect" or beautiful to be valued? Dying a kids hair, using tan in a can (or worse, letting them use tanning beds) and capping their teeth is as good as telling them that they aren't pretty enough or good enough the way that they are.
Why should a 6 year old even have to THINK or worry about what they look like?
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I concur.
So do I...as should anyone.
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jahazafat wrote:
The pageants are very different from little league or organized sports such as gymnastics because of the overt and necessary parental involvment. It is a competetion among the adults and has nothing to do with the kids. The parents could just as well each be given a dead cat and seen how much fancier one could dress it or make it smell better than the others.
The children are just objects in the game, and open to abuse.
JonBenet was ritually abused every six weeks or so to maintain her blond hair for the pageants. A mother that would do that would be capable of far worse.
http://www.geocities.com/pinker44
I agree that the pageants are different than little league or gymnastics but even, here, there is abuse. If the child loves the sport, etc., then it's okay. But I've seen parents push these things on kids just so they can live through them....

I remember one of my son's friends in school. He was a basketball player and had to play from grade school on all summer long. He had a younger sister who the parents started playing basketball. When he graduated from High School, he pulled his younger sister aside and said: "If I were you, I'd get out of basketball and spend your time doing things that I never had time to do." So, if the kids enjoy it, that's one thing...if they're driven then that's another.
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So, if the kids enjoy it, that's one thing...if they're driven then that's another.
Exactly!
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It appears JB liked the pageants and even performed in a mall before Christmas, without a pageant being held.
Hey Mikey, she likes it.
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No doubt if JonBenet had ever grown up, she would most likely be like right wing bimbo Miss California. It's not progressive parents who pimp out their kids in these things, it's right wing women and bible thumpers like Patsy Ramsey, dressing her six year old up like a hooker, to get the competitive edge and do anything to win. I LOVE the irony of this: This alludes to this COLOSSAL right wing hypocrite Miss California letting her GAY pageant director pay for her non-biblically correct breast implants:

Her very own state pageant director, KEITH LEWIS is an openly gay man who has been a very generous benefactor of hers...in many ways.(2 ways in particular....if you get my drift??)

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Hello everyone,

I agree. These pagents for children are a bit over the top... So sorry but all of this brings to mind little Jon Benet...A tragedy....Parents definitely need to cool it down here. I think its just too much for a child to go through at such a young age...No one out there is putting a stop to this. Very sad.

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