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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 701943 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Lmj

Europe

#165763 Jan 29, 2010
Good night/Morning/Afternoon everyone

Since: May 08

Belle Mead, NJ

#165764 Jan 29, 2010
Buckster wrote:
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I think you have a basic comprehension problem, there is nothing in the bible to support immediate transposition to heaven or hell on death, even the Catholic sources agree on that, it is only the church of John from NJ that claims otherwise.
I suggest you rethink your thoughts again.

Where did I ever say that you go to heaven or hell on death.

That is what the Protestants may believe, but we don't, never have, never will.

So where did your reading comprehension fail you to make you say something that is not anything that I ever said.

Or is it that you have a problem admitting that you were wrong about soul sleep and now struggle trying to avoid admitting your error?

“Love and compassion for all.”

Since: Feb 08

Boise

#165765 Jan 29, 2010
Custom Cal wrote:
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Dear Drooling Peabrain,
Let your shelter nurse show you how normal people write sentences. HINT: They use capital letters to start sentences. And periods, not commas, at the end of sentences.
Rude. We all understand what he's trying to say.

Since: May 08

Belle Mead, NJ

#165766 Jan 29, 2010
Buckster wrote:
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John,we already know you are an idiot and a liar, you do not need to keep proving it.
The gospel of the your "church of bite me" I guess.

Can't admit that you were wrong, what twice in the last two days, and thus you have your hissy fit.

Get it out of your system, it isn't healthy.

Since: May 08

Belle Mead, NJ

#165767 Jan 29, 2010
Justified 7 wrote:
<quoted text>the word or implication of the word "dispensing" was never used. Just a typical insert of yours. The source said that God allowed it. And one more thing; evil is not a "thing"; you can't get a jar of evil buddy. You're lost as usual.
Your quotations said that God did not create evil, He just doles it out.

How much He allows is how much He doles out or dispenses.

When you associate evil with God you are lost.

And you are lost.

“Love and compassion for all.”

Since: Feb 08

Boise

#165768 Jan 29, 2010
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you Catholic? Or the Grammar police? Sometimes one can be confused between the two.
LOL
Kathy Daw

El Paso, TX

#165769 Jan 29, 2010
Dust Storm wrote:
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Jacob bowed to Esau and a whole lot more but yes we know you dont go to links because you would rather remain ignorant and preach in arrogance about things you dont understand. The more you post the more you show that you are a typical protestant bigot and as far as sola chaous you can flip through it all your life and you will still have as many interpretations as your number when you arent relying on what some man told you because you all have close personal relationships with a god that is confused apparently. Try some truth once. Oh yeah its too long to read, but when you spew bile we should all waster our time reading that. lol You are a piece of Art. Is LTM your sister?
23:7, 12 "And Abraham stood up, and bowed himself to the people of the land, even to the children of Heth... And Abraham bowed down himself before the people of the land."
27:29 "Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee"
33:3 "And he passed over before them, and bowed himself to the ground seven times, until he came near to his brother."
37:7, 9, 10 "Behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf."
42:6 "and Joseph's brethren came, and bowed down themselves before him with their faces to the earth."
43:26, 28 "And they bowed down their heads, and made obeisance."
47:31 (quoted in the NT, Hebrews 11:21) "And Israel worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff."
48:12 "And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth."
49:8 "thy father's children shall bow down before thee."
In Esther 3:2-4, Mordecai refuses to bow before Haman since the latter is demanding this as latria (worship). But in Est 8:3, Mordecai’s own niece, Esther, bows before King Ahasuerus, which is simply an instance of her rendering him the honor (proskunew) he is due as royalty.
What's significant about these passages is they demonstrate a form of veneration that is *NOT* worship. This is the OT basis for the fundamental distinction that St John of Damascus makes between worship (latreia) and veneration (proskunew).
http://www.ourlifeinchrist.com/Program%20Note...
Dust, when Jacob bowed to Esau, was he doing it because he needed a mediator, No, he was afraidhis brother was going to KILL HIM! THere's that "BIGOT" word, we have all come to love. WHen I talk about God, I use a "G", not "g" He deserves it. All the bowing, you mentioned, was it in prayer?

Since: May 08

Belle Mead, NJ

#165770 Jan 29, 2010
Justified 7 wrote:
<quoted text>so confused as you are they didn't mean what they said......"Original sin[1] is, according to a doctrine proposed in Christian theology, humanity's STATE of SIN resulting from the Fall of Man.[2] " / This quote shows a condition and a cause. Time for you to brew some coffee.
And as your quote says original sin is according to "a doctrine", meaning that there are other doctrines, not just that one. If you actually read the whole thing from Wiki you would have seen that and read about other doctrines.

Sin is and always has been an act. Not a state, not a condition, but simply an act.

Since: May 08

Belle Mead, NJ

#165771 Jan 29, 2010
Justified 7 wrote:
<quoted text>Whether she exists or not is no concern of mine. What Gene was passing up was the anathema's that were mentioned. No mention of that either...does that mean they didn't exist? LOL....Like I said; the author of that site either knows or doesn't; to which no one can say one way or the other. Lets not get off track as many of you do....the discussion was about anathema's.
If you don't care if she existed or not, then why provide a link to an imaginary person and act like she was real.

And why did you toss her out if you wanted to stay on track?
LTM

Pickering, Canada

#165772 Jan 29, 2010
flower wrote:
<quoted text>
i was talking about a close personal friend that went through alot in their short lifetime...giving a testimony how they didnt chose to let the circumstances judge how they viewed the future...
there are people that overcome whatever man brings in their life..
and trusts in God...
friends...yes...
Flower there isn't one person on this earth, that doesn't have a sad story to tell. We can't let it dictate how we treat other people it makes us no better then the person that abused us.

Since: May 08

Belle Mead, NJ

#165773 Jan 29, 2010
Justified 7 wrote:
The councils of the church played little part in the canonization of scripture. When councils did speak on the subject, their voice was a ratification of what had already become the mind of the church.(Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors Leading to the Selection and Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 319, 2002)
Even James Bernstein, an Orthodox leader admits: "The councils did not legislate the canon so much as set forth what had become self-evident truth and practice within the churches of God." (Which Came First: The Church or the New Testament?, Fr. James Bernstein, Orthodox churchman, 1994, p 13)
In other words, the New Testament canon is a recognition and acknowledgment of books that were authoritative from earlier periods on, not a creation of the fourth-century church.(Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Peter Balla, Evidence for an Early Christian Canon: Second and Third Century, p 373, 2002)
Of interest here is the fact that the community of faith, rather than church authorities, were responsible for this process; what they determined to be edifying and useful later found a place in the canon. Church authorities only authorized or sanctioned what had already been in use.(Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Kent D. Clarke, The Problem of Pseudonymity in Biblical Literature and Its Implications for Canon Formation, p 467, 2002)
In establishing the Canon, the Church authorities of the second and succeeding centuries only subsequently ratified the decisions which had already been reached by the Christian communities, or more exactly, by the individual believers. The organized Church as such did not create the Canon; it recognized the Canon which had already been created. It is only from the second half of the fourth century onwards, in connexion with the closing of the Canon, that the Church authorities began to have an effect." (David G. Meade, Pseudonymity and Canon, p 206, 1986)
http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-church-did-not-gi...
Of course you should read all of what Fr. James Bernstein wrote in his book. Fr. James is a convert from the Jewish Faith, his father was an Orthodox Rabbi, and his son an Orthodox priest.

What you presented from what Fr. James wrote is accurate. It is the way that the Church determined everything that we believe. The guidance of the Holy Spirit in the Church.

That of course is why there was first the Church and then the Bible as you now know it. Not the other way around as Protestants and others pretend.

But the fact remains that the Church gave you the Bible, the very Church you reject.

Since: May 08

Belle Mead, NJ

#165774 Jan 29, 2010
Buckster wrote:
<quoted text>
You can buy jars of evil in the gift shop of the church of John from NJ.
John himself drinks at least two jars of the stuff a day.
Good, just keep getting the bile out.

Then perhaps you will see the error of your theology, and accept that you were wrong.

Amazing, it used to only be B7 who could not admit that he was wrong, now we see Bucky in the same pool.
flower

United States

#165775 Jan 29, 2010
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>watched a show about a Pentecostal church an the preacher was praying with a bunch of poisonous snakes in his hands,thought that was a little strange,it was in Virginia.went to a baptist church once a long time ago cause a girl i was dating asked to go at least once just to see what it is like,so i went an i found that they like to sing a lot,at least at this church they did.what i didn't like was they would come around in a small bus an talk to children an hand out candy an tell them to ask there parents to bring them to their church,now that's wrong,that's just the Catholics instilling fear into their followers to keep them in line.
there are different of the pentecostal faith....

most are oneness....

then there are the trinitarian ones...

last the crazy ones with the snakes...lol...they use mark 16:18 and think God is telling them to play with the snakes and that He will protect them....

but its a spiritual thing...in prayer there will be violence...and the violent take it by force...

if you read before that you will see that Jesus is explaining what His followers will be doing.....

Since: Nov 08

usa

#165776 Jan 29, 2010
Lmj wrote:
<quoted text> oh Jethro! there was scriptural and historical proof of those Claims above. Matthew 16:18 says. Art Thou Peter, Upon this Rock, i will build My Church and the Gates of Hades shall not Prevail. But why use Scripture when you don't even believe?
what i believe is not relevant in search of the true church the only thing you have to go by is the scriptures,there is no other historical source to prove anything about the one god theory which is why i have serious doubts about it.Art Thou Peter, Upon this Rock, i will build My Church and the Gates of Hades shall not Prevail.how does this sentence prove anything as far as the true church being the catholic church? jesus does not call it by name he does call peter pope,but he did call him Satan,so where is the proof?
Jim H

Titusville, FL

#165777 Jan 29, 2010
----------THE BIBLE? ARE YOU JOKING! THE BIBLE?
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--HERE! READ your PORNOGRAPHIC hand book for butchery: the "BIBLE"!
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----------THE BIBLE
----------A Moral Guide to Conduct
----------Old Testament laws:
• Working on the sabbath is punishable by 'death'!
• Adultery is punishable by death
• A priest’s daughter who becomes a prostitute shall be burnt to 'death'!
• A disobedient son shall be stoned to 'death'!
• Cursing one’s father or mother is punishable by 'death'!
• Foreigners can be bought as slaves
• A slave can be beaten to 'death'! without penalty, provided
that one day or two passes between the beating and the 'death'!
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----------THE "BIBLE"?!
----------Some people swear by the "Bible"!
---------Brains are not prerequisite to idiotic assertions!
Ask yourself: How do BILLIONS of people survive minus the teachings of that 'book'? "How did people survive, and build great "Civilizations "and "Wonders" that we can't duplicate, prior to the accumulation of the tales' and writings, or 'socalled' "teachings" of the "Bible"? The "Bible" is the BOOK that all those perverted "Priests" and others swear on, thrive upon; and use to 'con' innocents out of their virginity! It is used to perpetuate the lies that brainwash children and fools into believing they are born "evil sinners" with "original sin" and must rely on the good graces of the charlatans to make them holy and restore them to a "state of grace"!(via sex acts?) These teachings and the indoctrination's go back thousands of years so don't be surprised about some who have been brainwashed, proselytizing; as the alternative is to acknowledge that they have been fools! Apparently, for the sake of ones ego and sanity it is easier to live the great big lie than to face the reality that acknowledges idiocy! This is one of the means by which this criminality survives! And "Religions" prosper!
Wake Up! Stop pretending fairy tales are fact! Stop abetting those charlatans who rape innocents seeking to atone for "original sin." The purpose of those charlatans was simply to con the people much the same way Jerry Falwell and his ilk, Graham, and Roberts, the Pope, etc., do, today; to reap riches, and wield power over their "flocks" for many purposes; including enslavement; and rape!And, to become the, richest;mostinfluential;
and most Powerful Evil Criminal Empire on Earth!
Religions are the worst CRIMINAL organizations on the face of the earth.
If they are not STOPPED and put out of business very soon, they will destroy the planet.
At this present moment in time, January, 2010, there is a war between the forces of Christianity, and Islam to decide which will take control of the United States, and, Islam seems to be winning!
The "Muslim Brotherhood" have infiltrated the higher echelons of US Governmment including high Security Agencys, and the White House, and it will be very difficult to prevent their eventual takeover of our Country.
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ALL "Religions" must be OUTLAWED!
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They are CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS dedicated to World Domination and Theocratic Government Control!
These Criminal Organizations must be stopped! Immediately!
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----------And----OUR TAXES ARE SUPPORTING THESE CRIMINALS?

“Love and compassion for all.”

Since: Feb 08

Boise

#165778 Jan 29, 2010
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>trying one more time, http://www.youtube.com/watch
Nope. Try typing the url in yourself. No spaces, and make sure you don't miss any letters or symbols.
I just click the url and it turns negative. then I click, edit-copy, go back to my topix post, and click, edit-paste. It might be different on your computer. I have windows xp. I am having ram added, then I'll upgrade to windows 7. I would ask for your email, but when I posted mine on here, I started getting some really nasty spam. Anyway, good luck.
And, God bless.
By the way, this is what I look, and sound, like lol:
Dust Storm

United States

#165780 Jan 29, 2010
Kathy Daw wrote:
<quoted text> Dust, when Jacob bowed to Esau, was he doing it because he needed a mediator, No, he was afraidhis brother was going to KILL HIM! THere's that "BIGOT" word, we have all come to love. WHen I talk about God, I use a "G", not "g" He deserves it. All the bowing, you mentioned, was it in prayer?
Yes he is GOD big G but I dont think you know him or follow him and you certainly do not know or follow what is in the bible. You sola sripturists have made yourself little gods and I think you may believe you have a relationships with a god but not God! Big G And you missed the entire point as usual about bowing and the reason its done and where and choose one verse to make it what you want rather than the whole. There is more bowing then is written there. Nobody ever bows to anyone ever? LOL At least you are wrong about you even have the potential to be right. Congratulations! Let us know when you have any desire to listen to anyone else but yourself and babbling and actually go to sites, read or listen but your infallible truths are so far from anything truthful it is futile. It is doubtful you could ever read scripture long enouph to get anything but baptist sensationlism perverted by man.
flower

United States

#165781 Jan 29, 2010
StarC wrote:
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You might have missed it the first time....
"Though bowing can be used as a posture in worship, not all bowing is worship. In Japan, people show respect by bowing in greeting (the equivalent of the Western handshake). Similarly, a person can kneel before a king without worshipping him as a god. In the same way, a Catholic who may kneel in front of a statue while praying
isn’t worshipping the statue or even praying to it, any more than
the Protestant who kneels with a Bible in his hands when praying
is worshipping the Bible or praying to it.
"
Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas.
If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then by using these "graven" images, they would be practicing the "idolatry" of which they accuse Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use of religious images. "
deut. 29:17
And ye have seen their ABOMINATIONS, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them:)
lev 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven IMAGE ((SEE IMAGE)), neither rear you up a STANDING IMAGE ((IMAGE AGAIN)), neither shall ye set up ANY IMAGE ((IMAGE AGAIN)) OF STONE in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

and this scripture describes what the images and idols are...

Ps 115
Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands.
They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

this speaks of the idols and what they are...

cant speak cant hear cant smell cant handle anything cant walk cant speak...

Jesus can do all of these things...

and the last.....

so is every one that TRUSTETH them....

“Love and compassion for all.”

Since: Feb 08

Boise

#165782 Jan 29, 2010
John from NJ wrote:
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Good, just keep getting the bile out.
Then perhaps you will see the error of your theology, and accept that you were wrong.
Amazing, it used to only be B7 who could not admit that he was wrong, now we see Bucky in the same pool.
So, John, are you still in Jersey? I heard it's pretty rough growing up there.
I have to let you in on something. Buckster an super intelligent dude. You can argue with him all day, and you'll only look the fool for it.
I just wanted to let you know.
Just because we're not Catholic doesn't mean we're any different from you. It just means that we chose (a God given gift) to not follow any religious sect and just trust Christ to lead the way.
I've tried many religions and have come to the conclusion that the ones that look most promising, are actually the most deceptive.
Lucifer is the master of deception. Tell me you don't believe in the devil.
It's time to wake up.
It's not about denominations any more. It's about keeping an eye on the fallen angel and the corruption of his system.
If you're so blind that you can't recognize truth when you see it, then all I can say to you is God bless, John, and I hope to see you in Heaven.
Peace, bro.
flower

United States

#165783 Jan 29, 2010
and im not sure star but i didnt find an answer unless you left me one and i didnt happen to see it...

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