Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 665388 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Feb 14

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#555757 Aug 20, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Had he lived he would have simply been another leader of a cult.
He would have preached that Hindus (for instance) could not be saved by faith in Krishna, but if they converted to Christianity, they could be saved by belief in Jesus.
To state for a fact that no one comes to the father except through ME ... is arrogance ... NOT humility.
And when Jesus supposedly stated that no one comes to the FATHER through him ... keep in mind that according to Christians Jesus did not mean the father as in the father of Abraham ... he meant it as in the father created apart from the Jewish god ... which was the Gnostic Christian god.
What a lot of malarkey!
Yes, thank you June, but I was wanting RS opinion..
I already know what you think :)

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555758 Aug 20, 2014
Liam wrote:
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I was just joking. I hope you find comfort living with your daughter..
Even though you believe that they both deserve eternal hell for not being Catholic???
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#555759 Aug 20, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Even though you believe that they both deserve eternal hell for not being Catholic???
Why the heck would I believe something like that? What's wrong, nobody talking with you again? U gotta chime in with something so stupid, just to get a reaction. Well here's my reaction: take a 4' long string, tie it to an old sock... drag it across the floor and let your cats chase after it.
;-)

“Its better when its original”

Since: Mar 13

Let's Play

#555760 Aug 20, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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You are HUMBLE when you preach that Jesus and God love only Christians, and specifically only the Christians in your denomination???
THAT is taking a whole lot for granted ... wouldn't you agree???
God loves everyone and he gives everyone a chance. I do not think any other way....I do not want to see any bad thing happen to anyone. I love everyone and pray for everyone, no matter what denomination. As stated before I do not want to be called by any denominational name. I do not feel that God wants that either. He just wants people to follow him and his commandments and love each other.

GOD gives everyone a chance to be saved!!!!!!

It is our choice!!!!!

“Its better when its original”

Since: Mar 13

Let's Play

#555761 Aug 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
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"But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine."
Man is a sinner by choice (free will.)
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
...admonishes us "that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine┬ů"
Sound doctrine is BUILT on the Word of God!
Amen to that.

The word of God is the only true and sound doctrine. It is the rock of ages and it will stand when the world is on fire.

I remember being in a church one time when I was about 8 or 9 and hearing an elderly lady get up and testify that she always prayed to never be misled. I am 35 now and that has stuck with me all these years. I have always prayed not to be misled and for the understanding of the word. I feel that even though I am unworthy the Lord has blessed me with that, but yet I know I am ever learning more and more when I pray and study.

I feel from reading your posts that you are knowledgeable in the Word of God. So I would like to ask a question of you.

It troubles me sometimes when I see people who do not seem to understand the Bible and yet use the Word of God with such beliefs like once in grace always in grace etc. I just cannot understand it, and I feel sorry for them.

Anyhow the question is.....Do you think if they are doing what they know to do and not willfully sinning that they can still make it to heaven with such a belief?

I do, because I feel that God has different works and levels of understanding and work for everyone. I think that when he is talking of the talents in the Bible it is showing that some people will have more works than others and also that if we use those talents we will gain more. I can equate talents with knowledge and level of understanding. I think that we are held accountable for what we know. Not that people should try to use that as an excuse or anything, but put it to the usury and try to learn more and more, even though the more we learn the more we will be accountable for.

Since: Aug 14

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#555762 Aug 20, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text> what is the name of your church
Church of God International

You can watch the videos of our preacher Bro.Eli Soriano
https://www.youtube.com/user/theoldpath

here is our website,
http://theoldpath.wordpress.com/

I guarantee you that your time will not be wasted.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#555763 Aug 20, 2014
Liam wrote:
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take a 4' long string, tie it to an old sock... drag it across the floor and let your cats chase after it.
;-)
.....Does it have to be 4' long?

Since: Aug 14

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#555764 Aug 20, 2014
seriously the original wrote:
<quoted text> Amen to that.
The word of God is the only true and sound doctrine. It is the rock of ages and it will stand when the world is on fire.
I remember being in a church one time when I was about 8 or 9 and hearing an elderly lady get up and testify that she always prayed to never be misled. I am 35 now and that has stuck with me all these years. I have always prayed not to be misled and for the understanding of the word. I feel that even though I am unworthy the Lord has blessed me with that, but yet I know I am ever learning more and more when I pray and study.
I feel from reading your posts that you are knowledgeable in the Word of God. So I would like to ask a question of you.
It troubles me sometimes when I see people who do not seem to understand the Bible and yet use the Word of God with such beliefs like once in grace always in grace etc. I just cannot understand it, and I feel sorry for them.
Anyhow the question is.....Do you think if they are doing what they know to do and not willfully sinning that they can still make it to heaven with such a belief?
I do, because I feel that God has different works and levels of understanding and work for everyone. I think that when he is talking of the talents in the Bible it is showing that some people will have more works than others and also that if we use those talents we will gain more. I can equate talents with knowledge and level of understanding. I think that we are held accountable for what we know. Not that people should try to use that as an excuse or anything, but put it to the usury and try to learn more and more, even though the more we learn the more we will be accountable for.
Church of God International

You can watch the videos of our preacher Bro.Eli Soriano
https://www.youtube.com/user/theoldpath

here is our website,
http://theoldpath.wordpress.com/

I guarantee you that your time will not be wasted.

Since: Aug 14

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#555765 Aug 20, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
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Thing is religion.
Stories passed from Adam about God whom he actually talked to...through SOME , only some of his descendants, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah that knowledge was saved (we don't know if the WIVES passed on any stories after the flood ) but they worshipped false Gods,through Nimrod and his tower ...
Yet through Shems line we get Abraham , who had learned but then talked directly to God . Out of his descendants came the Jews who definitely knew,of the TRUE GOD...
All through history the knowledge of the One God, the flood the trinity was passed on in stories perverted by the Evil one ...this is why many false religions,May have Kernel of truth .of the FIRST KNOWLEDGE given Adam, Noah, Moses..the ones who hated the CreTors inspired the worship of false idols , even doing tricks to convince humans to worship themselves .
The evil spirits,know all about God His nature , the trinity and have built up falsehood to make people stray ...he hates God and hates,US and wAnts,nothing more than we don't believe in God at all ..
Atheism is just a modern variation of the False,Idol WORSHIP...man is god, nothing is higher, mother earth ,ecology, evolution .
We should NOT squander resources, but to think man has the power to change everything is,worshipping ourselves. Weather has always come in cycles. Those scientists , using the term loosely , going to document the melting ice caps, got caught in REALLY THICK ICE ,and so did their rescue ship ....of course,we barely heard of that on regular news
Scientific THEORY , a real false,deity ....half of it is,politics and used to make money by men using jet fuel to fly private planes to speaking engagements to talk about bad cars ....
Man is corrupt .....false,idols abound ..and Jesus,WILL return
Church of God International

You can watch the videos of our preacher Bro.Eli Soriano
https://www.youtube.com/user/theoldpath

here is our website,
http://theoldpath.wordpress.com/

I guarantee you that your time will not be wasted.

Since: Aug 14

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#555766 Aug 20, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
Years ago I read how a good speaker is simply telling the crowd what they want to hear, and the crowd doesn't even realize they have been conned by the speaker.
Nothing is more true when it pertains to religion.
Evangelists know how to play the crowds. The music becomes soft or loud at the opportune times during the sermons. The choirs know when to sing and how to perform even though they might not be sincere in their devotions.
The show must go on, or the money won't come rolling in as "predicted."
How many times must you be told that you are saved and others will go to hell???
THAT is the question for you to answer.
The speaker is simply there to please you and assure you each time you listen to his/her words, that indeed you WILL be saved.
Im not saying that we are the only ones that will be saved and others will go to hell.
God wants everyone to be saved.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is right and is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I want you to know the truth, Im not arguing with you, I just wanted you to have aa minute to watch theses videos from our preacher.

https://www.youtube.com/user/theoldpath

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#555767 Aug 20, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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That is your perception ... not mine.
I adored my parents.
They did not give birth to me in order that they expected me to be their slaves in their old age.
If they had had birth control measures I would not have been born as my mother was 45 when she gave birth to me ... the last of 8 children.
And had I not been born I would not have missed anything, because I would not have been aware TO miss anything.
Did you misspell Ingrid Newkirk when you typed in your avatar name?

Since: Feb 12

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#555768 Aug 20, 2014
Liam wrote:
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I was just joking. I hope you find comfort living with your daughter..
I wont be living with her for a long time....I love my own home....sorry I didn't know you were joking. Hard to tell when you cant hear the emotions behind the typing..

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555769 Aug 20, 2014
Liam wrote:
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Why the heck would I believe something like that?
If you believe that Protestants are allowed in heaven, why are preaching that their dogmas are not based on truth and yours ARE based on truth?

Come ON ... you KNOW you believe that Protestants are heretics and not aligned to the mindset of Jesus' and God's "spiritual" mentality, as is your mentality.

Silly humans!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555770 Aug 20, 2014
seriously the original wrote:
<quoted text>God loves everyone
Except for those he rejects to hell for being in the wrong religion ... which according to the Muslims is YOU.

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#555771 Aug 20, 2014
chinitta12 wrote:
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Church of God International
You can watch the videos of our preacher Bro.Eli Soriano
https://www.youtube.com/user/theoldpath
here is our website,
http://theoldpath.wordpress.com/
I guarantee you that your time will not be wasted.
Nice piano music that's about it...

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#555772 Aug 20, 2014
chinitta12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Church of God International
You can watch the videos of our preacher Bro.Eli Soriano
https://www.youtube.com/user/theoldpath
here is our website,
http://theoldpath.wordpress.com/
I guarantee you that your time will not be wasted.
your guarantee fell through....

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555773 Aug 20, 2014
chinitta12 wrote:
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Im not saying that we are the only ones that will be saved and others will go to hell.
Of course you ARE. You just are not being honest.

Do you believe that Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and Atheists and Agnostics, et cetera will be allowed in Christian heaven when we don't believe in Jesus???

Of course you DON'T. Otherwise you are not a Christian.

You can't help lying to others, because you continually lie to your self.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555774 Aug 20, 2014
All religion teaches that GOD loves everybody ... but only if they are in the religion that for a fact KNOWS universal truth.

And of course every religious "organization" wants others to believe THEY know the one and only universal truth.

Ridiculous religious fundamentalism.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>

Fundamentalism

This tendency is most often characterized by a markedly strict literalism as applied to certain specific scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies, and a strong sense of the importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

“Its better when its original”

Since: Mar 13

Let's Play

#555775 Aug 20, 2014
chinitta12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Church of God International
You can watch the videos of our preacher Bro.Eli Soriano
https://www.youtube.com/user/theoldpath
here is our website,
http://theoldpath.wordpress.com/
I guarantee you that your time will not be wasted.
Thanks for the site, and I will try and watch and listen to his preaching tonight.

Since: Dec 06

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#555776 Aug 20, 2014
seriously the original wrote:
<quoted text> Amen to that.
The word of God is the only true and sound doctrine. It is the rock of ages and it will stand when the world is on fire.
I remember being in a church one time when I was about 8 or 9 and hearing an elderly lady get up and testify that she always prayed to never be misled. I am 35 now and that has stuck with me all these years. I have always prayed not to be misled and for the understanding of the word. I feel that even though I am unworthy the Lord has blessed me with that, but yet I know I am ever learning more and more when I pray and study.
I feel from reading your posts that you are knowledgeable in the Word of God. So I would like to ask a question of you.
It troubles me sometimes when I see people who do not seem to understand the Bible and yet use the Word of God with such beliefs like once in grace always in grace etc. I just cannot understand it, and I feel sorry for them.
Anyhow the question is.....Do you think if they are doing what they know to do and not willfully sinning that they can still make it to heaven with such a belief?
I do, because I feel that God has different works and levels of understanding and work for everyone. I think that when he is talking of the talents in the Bible it is showing that some people will have more works than others and also that if we use those talents we will gain more. I can equate talents with knowledge and level of understanding. I think that we are held accountable for what we know. Not that people should try to use that as an excuse or anything, but put it to the usury and try to learn more and more, even though the more we learn the more we will be accountable for.
seriously the original

Greetings and Peace

You pose an interesting question on whether one's belief in once saved by grace, always saved,(more or less) are they saved?

There has been much debated on this topic concerning OSAS, but whether such a thing is true or not, depends upon God, and the individual, and not the belief, IMHO.

I prefer to think that a person who believes in OSAS, may have the perception that they will always be saved, and then sets up a belief system behind it. This is because of a belief in God's existence, and the feeling of being saved by Jesus Christ. And that God has entered into a personal relationship which cannot be broken.(Paul's description in that nothing can stand between the love of God and the individual.)

On the other hand a person who does not believe in OSAS, may have the perception of being saved, and sets up another belief system, upon which one must adhere to being a Christian, in thought, word, and deed, by having an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.

In general, I see no problem with either belief systems, except that the first is more prone a sin of pride, which can come about with the idea that God has predestined them to eternal life, when in fact it is a choice of accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. And the second system is prone to inertia, where one's faith is tried beyond what one is capable, and one grows from hot to moderate, and sometimes cold.

Of course, I speak for myself, and these are not hard and fast rules. So it is just my humble opinion....

Peace

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