Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555157 Aug 16, 2014
And the humorous part of the story is that Martin Luther USED the popes Catholic bible to milk it for his new fangled stories that he proclaimed were supported by none other than Jesus and God.

WOW ... followers are BLIND SHEEP!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555158 Aug 16, 2014
Note the words referring to Luther as a wealthy entrepreneur concerning the publishing of PAMPHLETS.
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In June 1520, Pope Leo X issued the Papal Bull Exsurge Domine condemning the publisher, threatening him with excommunication unless he recanted his most sensational and popular published pamphlets.

It was this event probably more than any that changed Luther from wealthy entrepreneur back into a religious figure as he rejected the Popes demands, responding again in a very profitable and popular pamphlet Why the Pope and his Recent Book are Burned and Assertions Concerning All Articles. As a consequence, Pope Leo X had him excommunicated in the bull Decet Romanum Pontificem in January 1521.

http://one-evil.org/content/people_16c_luther...

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555159 Aug 16, 2014
God's "entrepreneurs" were here, there, and everywhere, producing pamphlets and more pamphlets ... which indicates that they all believed the words in the bible were not at all CLEAR.

What a pile of poop!!!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555160 Aug 16, 2014
The arrogant Puritan preacher wrote over three hundred books and pamphlets "explaining" the meaning of the words in the bible ... from his own point of view.

Good Grief!!!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555161 Aug 16, 2014
Cotton Mather was that arrogant Puritan preacher.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555162 Aug 16, 2014
Pad wrote:
<quoted text> You never did tell us what brand of Christianity you were part of? I suppose we would discredit it somehow if you posted such?
I've posted many times how my mother was a Lutheran, but I was not persuaded to follow, as I didn't believe that a savior would come to earth to save only Lutherans, which is what Martin Luther wanted his followers to buy was based on universal truth.

If you had read what I posted rather than preaching that you know universal truth, you would know that I did post that information.
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A History of Religious Ideas, by Mircea Eliade.

Luther’s theology

In a letter of June 1522, Martin Luther wrote:“I do not admit that my doctrine can be judged by anyone, even by the angels. One who does not receive my doctrine cannot come to salvation.”
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#555163 Aug 16, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
The Vatican art and other artifacts are timeless and belongs to the timeless Church. They don't belong to whatever group of Bishops who are alive today. Pope Francis couldnt liquidate that stuff if he tried. And the real estate and holdings shouldn't be owned by secular banks. The Church was started by Jesus, not JP Morgan.
Exactly, Liam. It's that protestant notion of either/or at work again. The Church, however, has always been "both/and" including in her social teaching. We feed, educate, house, and medically treat the poor AND preserve the fruits of the God-given talents of some of the world's greatest artists. The Church's holdings and investments generate much of the income necessary for these works of charity. I forget how much was given in aid to the persecuted Christians of Iraq, but it was substantial. The objections I'm reading on this board sound almost communist.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555164 Aug 16, 2014
AHHHH ... there was just nothing like the spreading of "love."
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By 1525 at the height of the revolt, Luther had amassed an army in the field of over 300,000 armed and trained peasants along with mercenary leaders who had slaughtered, raped and tortured over 250,000 men, women and children in their rampage of terror across Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

http://one-evil.org/content/people_16c_luther...

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555165 Aug 16, 2014
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
The Church's holdings and investments generate much of the income necessary for these works of charity..
My guess, your church gives out a pittance compared to what it takes in in ROYALTIES.

And they don't even pay taxes on that massive collection of money.
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The Incredible Book of Vatican Facts and Papal Curiosities … A treasury of Trivia, by Nino Lo Bello~ Published 1998.

How rich is the Vatican?

As one cardinal’s aide quipped not long ago,“The Vatican should truly be judged by the companies it keeps.”

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555166 Aug 16, 2014
If humans believed they were born whole, rather than broken, they would have no need for religion.

None at all.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555167 Aug 16, 2014
List of most evil crimes Type Year Crime Of publishing a false statement for the purpose of murder :(1543) That Martin Luther did promote the murder of Jews based on false statements, including: "My advice... is: First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire.." Martin Luther ("On the Jews and their lies" 1543)

http://one-evil.org/content/people_16c_luther...
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#555168 Aug 16, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
And He told them create a,bank.??????
Gather gold..make ?.
Before "banks" as we know them, you can bet the Apostles kept their own monies in thier own deposit system..Why should the future successors be any different? Its nonsense they should trust a Wells Fargo organization with the money belonging to the Church Jesus started. Much good is done with the wealth God blessed the Church with. A CNN article last week revealed the lavish living quarters of some American Bishops. The Arch Bishop of Miami resides in an ocean side mansion with a pool. Grant it, it was donated to the Miami archdiocese be a wealthy contributor, but there is still no excuse to live like that as a successor to the Apostles. I'm glad the CNN article exposed this. However, I know for a fact Aux Bishop Lee Piche and Andrew Cozzens in Mpls - Saint Paul dioces live in a puny one bedroom apartment, right next to the rector of the Cathedral, Fr. Ubel's puny one bedroom apartment . I'm not sure about our Archbishop Neinstednt.
truth

Perth, Australia

#555170 Aug 16, 2014
today its very easy anyone can print money in coins papers as well in numbers..is that problem for smart accusers..i think not..its always been as always been very practical who ever do that as abuse of power..
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#555171 Aug 16, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
And He told them create a,bank.??????
Gather gold..make a throne
If the riches,belong to the,Church, do hey belong to God...right..
Exodus 25:10 "these are the contributions you shall recieve: gold, silver and bronze"

God didnt ask the Israelites to build the ark and temple "with a nice material that suits you".... He COMMANDED it be Gold! He commanded it be decorated with gold statues (exodus 25:18).
The new covenant in the Eucharist is done under a dome on an altar, with the most beautiful arts we humans have to offer God. Sometimes it's very "expensive" looking things. I put "expensive" in quotations because there is really no pricetag on something thats priceless - much like there cant be a pricetag on the Holy ark of the covenant or the temple.
truth

Perth, Australia

#555172 Aug 16, 2014
why you think money is problem..no
its how you know rule upon others
its today and past 100 years some system
economy finance and politics=without that 3x blessing system no stabile luxury system..to know rule with people
yep
to know rule with people is deference
then how much money you have..
they used today nothing plus nothing will be something
-as negative gearing for great tax without any beneficiary
Are you for sure I am wrong?
truth

Perth, Australia

#555174 Aug 16, 2014
others used dictatorship as atheist
others trough deference religion

Think about that what a great experience lived in hardship poverty as well not any sort of freedom.

People who study very hard all this systems which ruling upon humanity
will find why is like that!
truth

Perth, Australia

#555175 Aug 16, 2014
Whats deference have blue hand from teacher when he or she asked did you know who is Jesus Christ mother..or Who is mother of your president today.

In my house as well my father house never stay any photo from any president.
Its only one thing ''Cross''.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#555176 Aug 16, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Before "banks" as we know them, you can bet the Apostles kept their own monies in thier own deposit system..Why should the future successors be any different? Its nonsense they should trust a Wells Fargo organization with the money belonging to the Church Jesus started. Much good is done with the wealth God blessed the Church with. A CNN article last week revealed the lavish living quarters of some American Bishops. The Arch Bishop of Miami resides in an ocean side mansion with a pool. Grant it, it was donated to the Miami archdiocese be a wealthy contributor, but there is still no excuse to live like that as a successor to the Apostles. I'm glad the CNN article exposed this. However, I know for a fact Aux Bishop Lee Piche and Andrew Cozzens in Mpls - Saint Paul dioces live in a puny one bedroom apartment, right next to the rector of the Cathedral, Fr. Ubel's puny one bedroom apartment . I'm not sure about our Archbishop Neinstednt.
Isn't it somewhere in Acts for people to give their money to the Windows and orphans.

I'm not fir excess,in any Church and I never denied the good works,of the RCC. that's NIT the,point ..it's,GIDS,Church, right ...Jesus did not say gather wealth nor earthly treasure..get lots,of real estate , create a bank with untold money in it.

Yes the,Miami diocese closed,churches and,sold them out from under the people , while the bishop lives like a wealthy man..better to sell his,house,fir a,smaller one and turn the money to keep even one Church..these,folks,were told to travel over the county to find another Church..do you know what that's,like in Miami or the,rest of South Fla if you have no car ...and do you really think the rich Churches,welcomed them??

But we were talking Francis...he's criticized our country fir excess we,do have and talk about being socialistic ???? In some of his comments,he,was ...yet the Vatican is,full of gold,!!!

And if he,really feels,what he,says ...well I'm just saying ,,, we shall see .

The,Churchbibwas,in shared property with two other small congregations,it was actually nice .....sharing and supporting each other ......just to keep the lights,on and when the Church renting the main building built their own, we had to merge with a larger formerly home Church ...just to make needed repairs. And we're in a middle class community ...

The Catholic Church near me has masses in more than one language . It's beautiful , has a school but I would nit call it ostentatious,

But the Vatican riches ??? I understand preserving writings, etc, but people,ARE starving ..churches,are closing ...more schools,for the,poor are,needed ...what will Francis,do ??? As he tells,of the evils,of Capitalism , which can be horrid but it's,a,better system than others,if run correctly ..poor people cannot hire,anyone led to work for them . And it's clear the government cannot support everyone ...even if it thinks,it can ....

A whole other can of worms,...

Point is,he seems,to feel strongly on the subject . Is,he the head of the Church ? If he declares liquidation ex cathedra, will the Church do it??

Just a thought

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#555177 Aug 16, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Exodus 25:10 "these are the contributions you shall recieve: gold, silver and bronze"
God didnt ask the Israelites to build the ark and temple "with a nice material that suits you".... He COMMANDED it be Gold! He commanded it be decorated with gold statues (exodus 25:18).
The new covenant in the Eucharist is done under a dome on an altar, with the most beautiful arts we humans have to offer God. Sometimes it's very "expensive" looking things. I put "expensive" in quotations because there is really no pricetag on something thats priceless - much like there cant be a pricetag on the Holy ark of the covenant or the temple.
Was commenting on the Comments,of YOUR POPE .

yes,God told the,Israelites how,to build ..directly to Moses ...

Did He,speak to those,who built the Vatican? Jesus,never even mentioned an huge church building , never mind a whole City state ...he sent them.out in twos ...He rent the Temple veil separating the people from God, in half. Only the PRIESTS could enter...that was gone ...

Again I think this,is,in his heart, meaning Francis,.....we,shall see...I don't see,a wholesale auction by any means,Clay ...but I think he will do something novel ...we,shall see ..
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#555178 Aug 16, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Was commenting on the Comments,of YOUR POPE .
yes,God told the,Israelites how,to build ..directly to Moses ...
Did He,speak to those,who built the Vatican? Jesus,never even mentioned an huge church building , never mind a whole City state ...he sent them.out in .os ...He rent the Temple veil separating the people from God, in half. Only the PRIESTS could enter...that was gone ...
Again I think this,is,in his heart, meaning Francis,.....we,shall see...I don't see,a wholesale auction by any means,Clay ...but I think he will do something novel ...we,shall see ..
Pope Francis doesn't have the authority to sell off the Vatican so- called "wealth". It doesnt belong to him...
There was always a financial infrastructure with the Church. Thats how they were able to buy lands and build Church buildings; thats how they could afford to produce a Bible, pay for hospitals, create an educational system still modeled after to this day. The Church is able to stand up and be a player on the world stage, to bring the Gospel to the world and not worry about powerful governments silencing them.
God guides the Church. He feeds them and gives them the resources they need to be relevant.

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