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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 690400 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Regina

Toms River, NJ

#555084 Aug 16, 2014
Unlike China or Japan, Catholicism in Korea was not introduced by a colonial or foreign power. Korean scholars learned at the beginning of the 17th century about the teachings of the Gospel, which were spreading in China, and undertook travels to the Jesuit missionaries there in order to study it.

They returned to their country to promote the faith, and it spread so quickly that only a few decades later, when a Chinese priest managed to enter the country, he found a well-established, though ostracized, group of Catholics numbering in the thousands.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/124-ko ...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555085 Aug 16, 2014
The Jealousy of "MY savior is real and yours is false" is what drives the emotions in all those stuck in religion.

As a child I didn't WANT Jesus to love only those in the Protestant religion.

And my little Catholic friends didn't WANT Jesus to love only those in the Catholic religion.

So, we cut to the CHASE and refused to believe the religious preachers.

We were not jealous over the attention of a supposed savior.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555086 Aug 16, 2014
Regina wrote:
Unlike China or Japan, Catholicism in Korea was not introduced by a colonial or foreign power....
Catholicism was introduced by Catholics missionaries.

Pope John Paul II kissed the Qur'an, while at the same time he had his missionaries preaching at Muslims that their religion of Islam was EVIL from the devil.

You don't WANT to see the lies ... and that is why you don't see the lies.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555087 Aug 16, 2014
All religion teaches that we are born ill, and must learn through religion how to be well.

I suggest we should teach children that they are born whole and ARE well just as they are.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555089 Aug 16, 2014
Religion teaches that conscience only belongs to humans, as conscience stems from a creator that favors ONLY humans.

How ridiculous!

Watch a little bird try to lead humans away from its nest by pretending it has a broken wing.

I suggest that little bird knows what it is doing because it's mother taught it that same trick. And if as a mother she did not try to lead prey away from her babies, she would feel guilt.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#555090 Aug 16, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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What Ray Charles saw in his fantasies was anybody's guess. But my guess is, he pictured his "future" self in heaven and others in hell.
The words "SAINT Augustine" would have been planted in his brain-cells ... BIG TIME.
Some admirers labeled him as "The Godfather of soul."
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
Charles started to lose his sight at the age of five and went completely blind by the age of seven, apparently due to glaucoma. He attended school at the Florida School for the Deaf and the Blind in St. Augustine from 1937 to 1945, where he developed his musical talent.
https://www.google.ca/...
You said it, " my guess is " but yeah June, I get it :)
I was merely offering a smile with coffee, as we laugh at your candor..
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555091 Aug 16, 2014
Our social systems are full of unwanted children that have been abandoned by mothers who don't know how to BE mothers, because their mothers were into drugs and couldn't be mothers.

Humans are NOT superior to other animals. Not even close!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555092 Aug 16, 2014
Do you believe these drunk animals could take care of "their" offspring?

June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555093 Aug 16, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text>
You said it, " my guess is " but yeah June, I get it :)
I was merely offering a smile with coffee, as we laugh at your candor..
Well, as I can't handle coffee without getting high, I'll have Jasmine tea ... thanks.

:)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555094 Aug 16, 2014
As I've stated many times, I have never been hooked on alcohol or drugs of any type because I am fully aware that being super emotional I wouldn't be able to control my self if I indulged in such activities.

I won't go to a casino or a bingo-hall and gamble, because I am fully aware how easy it is to become HOOKED, and with my addictive type of personality, I'm quite sure that the addiction would soon own me..

I don't have a superior attitude of "I am too good to do such sinful acts ... as that haughty attitude from my perspective, is plain silly.

The reason I don't go there, is because I fear that I will lose ME in the addictions.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555095 Aug 16, 2014
By the time I became an adult, I wouldn't go to church other than to scrutinize why religion made no sense to me.

Childhood suspicion motivated me to keep asking questions.

And for that I am thankful ... as it finally resulted in me leaving all religion behind as being based on nothing more than one human delusion after yet another human delusion.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555096 Aug 16, 2014
I have no fear of an afterlife.

I have faith that if there just happens to be an afterlife, I'll have no choice then but to deal with whatever unfolds.

Right now, in concern with the subject of religion, I am at peace within ... and none of your preaching of religious sermons will be allowed to steal that peace away from me.

Not a chance.

You can keep trying that tactic of bullying each other ... but your fear-tactics won't work with me.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555097 Aug 16, 2014
My guess is that because Robin Williams committed suicide, many followers of religious antic-dotes are certain that Robin will spend eternity in hell.

My daughter committed suicide believing that the creator was of the character of unconditional love.

With such faith in a god's ability to accept her as she was ... broken and bankrupt of the ability to go on with her life ... do you REALLY believe that she deserved to spend eternity in hell???

REALLY???
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555098 Aug 16, 2014
I was the one that taught my daughter to have faith that God would never reject any soul to in turn spend eternity in hell, but rather would welcome all souls to heaven.

Oh well ... maybe the god will punish ME for that error in my judgment.

Religion is ridiculous clap-trap!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#555099 Aug 16, 2014
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. Whole heartedly. I see it. The anti catholic stance is totally hypocritical. Self defeating. Insincere. Twisted up. Impoverished. A sham. Totally see-through to anyone with a couple brain cells to rub together. Embarrassing. And pitiful. The most pitiful since it defeats itself. And meanwhile the anti Catholics actually think they have a point to make.
G K Chesterton was right in saying that Protestantism tends toward Nihilism. Like a vortex. Look at the most recent outbreaks of Protestantism on the tv. They now dipping into the occult.
You asked me awhile back WHO I think the Holy Spirit of Promise basically communicates with,or fills,as it were.What People does the Spirit deal with concerning the promise?

First of all since I am not an expert on the MIND of the Godhead,nor do I contend that I am in any way totally knowledgable about the workings of the Holy Spirit.

But just through my own experiences,and that of many I have known through the years,the countless testimonies I have heard from people of all denominations including many from the RCC. Years ago I along with other Evangelical Christians,back in my home state of New Jersey,joined with many Catholics as they were being Baptized in the Spirit.

Visited large gatherings hearing testimonies of religious(sisters,brothers and priests), who all experienced the baptism of the Spirit,and how that wonderful move of God in their lives brought about: much more wisdom,and a power to bring a profound spiritual ministry to what they had been called to.

I spent a year and some months in ENGLAND(mostly South Wales) and there I met so many Evangelicals who experienced the Holy Spirit in a deeper way,leading them into missionary ventures and working in capacities within their own districts. Many Anglicans joined our meetings in England and some were asked to speak of their experiences with the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Back here in the US I met with Orthodox priests and laity who experienced the Holy Spirit with spiritual gifts the same as was happening to RCs,and many Protestants of main-line denominations,and the Evangelicals as well.

And there are countless numbers of books that explain the phenomena of the Spirit and His workings with Christians from all walks of life and denominations,traditional churches (High Anglican,and RC).

When I was in England I attended a conference where Anglican priests from Africa shared their testimonies of the Holy Spirit,and how HE brought a passion of Christ into their ministries,and they were much more effective in helping the church to grow.

Here in the US I visited a gathering of over a thousand people crammed in the basement of the Sacred Heart Cathedral in Newark, New Jersey. The White Sisters of Africa spoke of how the Lord empowered them with the Holy Spirit,and ministering in hospitals to local Africans,their work took on a new fresh Charisma,that brought many Africans to Christ who were hard to reach before. Priests and brothers also shared what the Spirit did to them and how it affected their ministries.

So you ask what people I think the Holy Spirit of Promise seeks out and inspires with His love and Power? I summed it all up like this JS: Baptists,Every type of Evangelical,Protestants of all main-line denominations who LOVE JESUS and reject liberal theology with all its falsities,Catholics of all facets, the Orthodox,Christians of Independent denominations, Messianic Jews(of which I can say emphatically I am now),and whoever the LORD has called into the Banquet House of His Dear Son.

As far as the LORD reaching out to non-Christians,with the truth of His love,He is not willing that any should perish,but that all should come to Eternal Life,I leave that in His hands.

The Holy Spirit of Promise is to all who come into the knowledge of Jesus Christ and His salvation,regardless of affiliation.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#555100 Aug 16, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
I was the one that taught my daughter to have faith that God would never reject any soul to in turn spend eternity in hell, but rather would welcome all souls to heaven.
Oh well ... maybe the god will punish ME for that error in my judgment.
Religion is ridiculous clap-trap!
June,no one here can condemn you for what you did in your life,nor for the outcome,and what you are now. It is not our place to tell you that your soul is either going here or there after death. READ the Bible for yourself.but read it with an open mind. When you stand on the premise that all faith is conjured up or a fragment of our imaginations and silly and whatever,than you are basically saying that you KNOW it all,even how you are going to end up.

Only you can know in your heart where you are going when the curtain of life isolates you from the living. It is one thing to criticize faith in God,and to reject any notion of HIM, but to turn around and expect Him to be oblivious to your rantings is another matter. You cannot have it both ways,either JUNE, you are for HIM or against Him?

And if you are against Him,do you expect to be with Him for an eternity? Here on earth you not only reject Him yourself but you encourage others to do so as well,how can you be with Him for an eternity? It is a decision you must make while you have the chance.There is no condemnation in what I am telling you,but a matter of choice on your part to either be with Him and sharing of His love for an eternity,or facing eternity without Him who created you.

You are in control of your own destiny here. NOT us,and our beliefs. When I say you are in control I mean that of your own free will you are fully able to choose your own eternal future.

That future is either with God your Creator,or simply without Him. The decision making for the most part concerning you especially is here June,because dear lady you have chosen to spend a daily watch into these things that concern your eternal future. Every day you are on here(you know what I mean),and you refute and blast us who believe,and claim you are perfectly fine without any notion or faith in God. Remember that song"I'm going to leave it all up to you.........."
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#555101 Aug 16, 2014
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Dust Storm
Peace
I read today an article about the Pope warning his own clergy of not being hypocrites when it comes to poverty(poverty, obedience, chastity). And the growing gap of the rich and poor, and those leading a Christian life to break the traditions which keep the poor oppressed by traditions. I applaud this. It is a recognition that something is wrong.
For you, this may not be a good opinion, that I have, to which you disagree. So let us reason, not from the view of a hierarchy, but rather that God deals with each person through Jesus Christ. In other words not from chaos, but rather the unity one has with other Christians. The need for some monolithic hierarchy is not needed, with perhaps the exception of keeping records of what transpires....
In a sense, then, the religious art, the landholdings, and all other things held by the RCC, this Pope has said is hypocrisy, and a tradition which men have kept, going against what simple Christianity demands.
It is just something for you to think on. It is perhaps quite counter to what and how you think....
Peace
First and foremost I have never seen Pope Francis say that all the art of the church which for the most part are gifts are and neither is owning land. Buidling need land. Pope Francis is decrying excesses by some. This is no different than Protestants forming watchdog groups with multiples of excesses and many refusing to open their books. As I said no one has tried harder to bring down the church and than the members and sometimes those in authority but that does not attest that their teachings are wrong but that they are not following the precepts that aspired to. Sometimes even an Apostle needed to be reminded. A prime example is Peter who was not even following his own arguments and and he was rightfully rebuked just as Popes have been. In your mind then and other Protestants he should be dissmissed.

And Yes Robert I am under no delusion that you are not a Protestant despite the claims of some that you are Catholic. Im happy that you found God and maybe some day you will make it home, There is a point where reasoning stops and if you have made yourself an authority as all Protestants do then you are as factious man you have been warned many times. As someone who welcomes division and says God leads people here and there with partial truths here and there The Lord says of some you are neither hot nor cold and I will spit you out. In the end your teachings are yours and you are accountable for them. It is said that it wouldh be better for some had they not known the truth. Your truth is your own. You are not arguing or reasoning about something that is unknown you are promoting a rejection of auhtority and assigning it of your own accord to God . The Holy Spirit will guide you to all truth is an individuld perogative.or misnomer.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555102 Aug 16, 2014
Pad wrote:
< It is not our place to tell you that your soul is either going here or there after death.
You are here to warn others of the impending danger of eternal hell in a supposed hereafter if they don't have the same "spiritual' belief as you ... are you NOT???

You people wouldn't know how to be honest ... even if you tried.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#555103 Aug 16, 2014
Pad wrote:
<That future is either with God your Creator,or simply without Him.
I don't believe in a creator.

That is your problem ... not mine.

I believe that it is more probably that the universal always existed and never had a beginning, just as it will never have an end.

The silly idea that SOME humans who are tuned in to the mindset of gods know universal truth, came from the dimwits that started the religious philosophies ... and unfortunately the silliness "in all its morphed forms" caught on comparable to a house on fire.
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#555104 Aug 16, 2014
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>You asked me awhile back WHO I think the Holy Spirit of Promise basically communicates with,or fills,as it were.What People does the Spirit deal with concerninge promise?
First of all since I am not an expert on the MIND of the Godhead,nor do I contend that I am in any way totally knowledgable about the workings of the Holy Spirit.
But just through my own experiences,and that of many I have known through the years,the countless testimonies I have heard from people of all denominations including many from the RCC. Years ago I along with other Evangelical Christians,back in my home state of New Jersey,joined with many Catholics as they were being Baptized in the Spirit.
Visited large gatherings hearing testimonies of religious(sisters,brothers and priests), who all experienced the baptism of the Spirit,and how that wonderful move of God in their lives brought about: much more wisdom,and a power to bring a profound spiritual ministry to what they had been called to.
I spent a year and some months in ENGLAND(mostly South Wales) and there I met so many Evangelicals who experienced the Holy Spirit in a deeper way,leading them into missionary ventures and working in capacities within their own districts. Many Anglicans joined our meetings in England and some were asked to speak of their experiences with the Power SNIPPED FOR SPACE.
I think some confuse the "human spirit" with the Holy Spirit. This is evident by them all claiming to be led to Scriptural truth by the Holy Spirit. Even you would agree, that is impossible. I'm not saying there isn't some level of graces shared by ALL you seek God with a sincere heart, but that doesn't mean they have the keys to decide what the Apostles 'really' taught. I don't have a problem with born again evangelicals submitting their lives to Jesus either- especially after a period in the gutter. In fact, I think its beautiful that they turned it around and I love to hear their testimonies. Its when they come at u waving Bible verses, denouncing the Eucharist etc - as if the Holy Spirit is suddenly giving them new revelations on Sacred Scripture..... well, its downright ridiculous, Pad.
I believe the origional question to u was: Which sect is the authority who's being led to Biblical truth by the Holy Spirit?

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