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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 703712 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#554559 Aug 13, 2014
StarC wrote:
Martin Luther
A German against Jews and Catholics, what a surprise!
Snip
" In his final years he wrote polemics against the Jews, the papacy and the Anabaptists, a radical wing of the reforming movement."
"In January 1521, the Pope Leo X excommunicated Luther. He was then summoned to appear at the Diet of Worms, an assembly of the Holy Roman Empire. He refused to recant and Emperor Charles V declared him an outlaw and a heretic. Luther went into hiding at Wartburg Castle. In 1522, he returned to Wittenberg and in 1525 married Katharina von Bora, a former nun, with whom he had six children.
Luther then became involved in the controversy surrounding the Peasants War (1524 - 1526), the leaders of which had used Luther's arguments to justify their revolt. He rejected their demands and upheld the right of the authorities to suppress the revolt, which lost him many supporters.
In 1534, Luther published a complete translation of the bible into German, underlining his belief that people should be able to read it in their own language. The translation contributed significantly to the spread and development of the German language.
Luther's influence spread across northern and eastern Europe and his fame made Wittenberg an intellectual centre. In his final years he wrote polemics against the Jews, the papacy and the Anabaptists, a radical wing of the reforming movement.
Luther died on 18 February 1546 in Eisleben."
In one of your posts you mocked Luther for his penance practices, however wasn't this type of thing , self flagellation, hair shirts a part of the penance of some GOOD CATHOLUC monks???

I'm not Lutheran, I think he,was flawed but weren't we all.
He was right von Faith and did try to make changes within the Church ....find answers IN the church ...stop corruption within the church...
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#554560 Aug 13, 2014
USA Born wrote:
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Blah, blah, blah..........I showed you scripture. You take my post out of context then cut and paste your catholic version. I'll stick with the truth of scripture.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Gee, I can play that game too. Blah, blah, blah, I showed you scripture. You take my post of out of context then post your post your personal belief. We agree that that the church was built on the Apostles and the Prophets and that the Rock is Christ. He is the King and head of the church. Merely pointing out to you that as King he gave the keys to Peter. In the Kingdom their were 12 ministers one of which was the Prime Minister. Indeed a great Honor for Christ to change Simons name to Rock and bestow upon him the keys isn't it? I guess not. You will have to choose one of the dozens of personal interpretations of what the keys really mean. Your choice You believe as you wish merely infforming you. If you know wish to rage and misrepresent, and condemn me to hell your choice, but you were answered.
guest

United States

#554561 Aug 13, 2014
hojo wrote:
Then why should the bible have to have the word "Catholic" in it to specifically describe Jesus Christ One True Universal Church??.....Over 2000 years of verifiable Church history confirms it !!!
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USA Born wrote:
Only verifiable in the church's demonic writings. Your church didn't start until the 2d century with the legends of Irenaeus. From there we can see the Inquisitions of the latin church then by the RCC. Murderous and bloody past in the name of your "church" but, you want to believe it was what Christ wanted.
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hojo: "Over 2000 years of verifiable Church history confirms it !!!"
The ONLY aspect of your church that has been "stable" over these 2000 years - is its adherence to paganism. NOT the church that Christ left.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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and in the name of the RCC - untold millions have suffered either torture and death or loss of everything.
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It is ABSURD that Christ would stand behind a PAGAN institution that tortures and murders heretics. What kind of mindset was needed for all the little RCC sycophants to carry out the orders of the pope? and then torture & murder their fellow citizens?
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Once again, hojo, HISTORY is written by the aggressor and the RCC has been the world's most unmistakable, far-reaching AGGRESSOR. EVER. Evil personified.
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Answer this question, please, hojo:
Is it possible that the Catholic Church could survive if it completely did away with all of its PAGAN Rites and Rituals?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#554562 Aug 13, 2014
atemcowboy wrote:
My mother-in-law died on June 23, so my life has been a little more full recently. We have had spent much time traveling back and forth from MD to PA. No, I'm not trying to blame my lack of writing on her, especially since she can't defend herself. No mother-n-law jokes here. But let me describe to you "dying grace" beginning with my wife's own words in a letter to the friends of my mother-in-law:
"On Sunday, while she was still there (at the hospital), she seemed to be taking a "turn for the worse." That day will always be in our memories! She saw her entire immediate family. She was very slow and deliberate in her speech, but spoke on and on about how she loved us, was pleased with us, and that we were to live for God and then go and love others. It was quite a remarkable day."
My mother-in-law was just radiating love and grace in a way which I never experienced from her. My wife would say the same. Her countenance was different. Her tone of voice was different. In a sense, she glowed God, or should I say, God glowed through her. She told the nurse practitioner and us that she would die that evening or the next day. She died the next day. As my wife said, what a beautiful memory.
My sister-in-law called it "dying grace." I have not heard that term often, so I decided to look it up. Dying grace refers to the last moments, sometimes days, in which God provides many blessings for the adjusted believer. I define an adjusted believer who has two things: 1) a firm faith in the Scriptures, the Word of God; and 2) a knowledge that they are approaching death. They may have had some time to prepare for death, not always. Thus, they experience a clear conscience, inner peace, and inner happiness. There is a complete absence of fear, because they are awaiting to be with Jesus.
My mother-in-law was calm and at peace. What a way to die! What grace God provided!
Someone asked the famous evangelist Dwight Moody, "Do you have dying grace?" He replied, "No, I don't. I'm not dying yet." When it did come time to die, he said, "“I see earth receding; Heaven is approaching. God is calling me. This is my triumph. This is my coronation day. It is glorious. God is calling and I must go.”
Dying grace. What a gift of God!
Notice, it is grace. It is a gift. You can't earn it. It is a gift God gives to those he chooses.
From Scripture:
And Jacob lived in the land of Egypt seventeen years: so the whole age of Jacob was an hundred forty and seven years.{the whole...: Heb. the days of the years of his life}
And the time drew nigh that Israel must die: and he called his son Joseph, and said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me; bury me not, I pray thee, in Egypt:

Thomas Scott:
Jacob was sensible that death was speedily approaching, and he greatly desired the presence of his beloved Joseph, who lived at court, while himself was at a considerable distance; as not even affection to his parent could induce Joseph to relax his unremitting attention to the important duties of his station.—Jacob’s dying request,“not to be buried in Egypt,” evidenced his belief of the Lord’s promise concerning Canaan, of which land he would thus take and keep possession. It also intimated, that he desired to have his lot after death, not with the Egyptians, but with his fathers Abraham and Isaac, in that heavenly rest which Canaan typified.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#554563 Aug 13, 2014
hojo wrote:
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Not Quite!!!.......TRUE Christians know that the source of Scripture is "The Word of God " (alone) historically known as Sola Verbum Dei.....This Word comes "directly" from Jesus Christ HIMSELF (over 2000 years ago) and from the Apostles through both the "written"--,and the "Oral (unwritten)! Tradition".....2 Thess 2:15 I which has been entrusted to the Church that Jesus Himself built upon the rock of Peter (Matt 16:13-21 and I Tim 3:15 " the pinnacle, pillar and foundation of the TRUTH...The ineffable wisdom of God is made known through HIS Church (Eph:3:9-10
Glad to help...the "Word of God" is the Bible!!!!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#554564 Aug 13, 2014
hojo wrote:
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Show us ALL in the Bible where it says that the "Bible alone"is the ONE and ONLY source of Truth which God chose to transmit HIS divine and inspired Word!!........and .........show us ALL (in the Bible)----the words ----"bible only"..........Then get back to ALL of us!......
"Bible only" is not in the Bible...but it certainly teaches that....I have shown this to you countless times...
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#554565 Aug 13, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
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As another poster brought up ,Jesus STOPPED Peter from violence. He told the disciples to walk away from those who would not accept Him...and it would be bad,for them...HE WILL take care,of it ....not His,Church...the idea of forcing conversions by torture is TOTALLY the opposite of what He,preached.
We are NOT to torture or kill to make or intimidate,folks,to believe .
Don't you think HE could have CREATED US so we would never stray ....
Can't you see this...???? You say the inquisition were what He wanted....How. and you've said this before ...
You do understand that God (as recorded in the OT) commanded His people to murder the pagans? So, why did He do that?

And, btw, the Inquisition and the Crusades were not about forcing people to convert, but about protecting the Truth. Don't you think that's important? Or do you feel that there is no Truth worth protecting?

And don't put words in my mouth. I never said that God wanted the Inquisition.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#554566 Aug 13, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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All of them.
Your line of questioning only shows that you would rather divert from answering than to be open and honest with me and others - by making a direct statement.
Don't worry Just Sayin'- I've noted that you refuse to believe Jesus. Now go about your business of believing in what men tell you.
*sighs*
I think you've been hanging out with June too long. Sorry, but neither of you get to tell other people what they believe. At least not without sounding presumptive (dumb).
I genuinely wanted to know what you believe the other half of Jesus' teachings were and you accuse me of concocting a "line of questioning" in an effort to divert from answering one of the questions buried in your post. Never mind, like I said before, I don't think you have a clue as to just what Jesus' "second half of teachings" are.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#554567 Aug 13, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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All of them.
Your line of questioning only shows that you would rather divert from answering than to be open and honest with me and others - by making a direct statement.
Don't worry Just Sayin'- I've noted that you refuse to believe Jesus. Now go about your business of believing in what men tell you.
*sighs*
Also, not every article on the list even mentions Jesus, so how can "all of them" be about Jesus' teachings?

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#554568 Aug 13, 2014
Robert F wrote:
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RoSesz
Peace
Imho, I think that some people feel the reinforcement of their faith in Christ by the senses. It is as Thomas had to "see" Jesus after his death in order to believe.(Of course we know also that it is more blessed to believe than to see.)
And the latter is what you write of is that you do not believe that the elements of the wine and bread are changed, although by taste, texture, and smell, but perhaps the substance of them are changed.
Likewise, a human being in substance is changed when they accept Christ and are born again, although they appear the same, with the same smells, tastes, and texture as before.
Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. But for some their faith is helped by the senses, others need him in an emotional way, or intellectually. And for some these become crutches, or even idols.
Imho, it would seem our best acceptance of Christ is spiritually, and this may take years of searching, like me, to be found.
I WAS ONLY addressing you to ask if YOU were saying the,taste and texture of the bread and wine changed after consecration....an actual physical change ...I want addressing any spiritual belief, Robert ..
Maybe you weren't saying that? That's why I asked ...I was never taught theocrats or texture changed .....is that what you meant ....? As far as,I know,they taste likes,one tastes before and after consecration..did I miss something? Or were you speaking of non physical change,..

I had a non Catholic ask.me about that once ..did it taste like flesh..I of course said no..she,was sincere in her asking ...
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#554569 Aug 13, 2014
USA Born wrote:
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Only verifiable in the church's demonic writings. Your church didn't start until the 2d century with the legends of Irenaeus. From there we can see the Inquisitions of the latin church then by the RCC. Murderous and bloody past in the name of your "church" but, you want to believe it was what Christ wanted.
Please cite your sources referencing the murderous and bloody RCC starting at the time of St. Irenaeus.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#554570 Aug 13, 2014
Just Sayin wrote:
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You do understand that God (as recorded in the OT) commanded His people to murder the pagans? So, why did He do that?
And, btw, the Inquisition and the Crusades were not about forcing people to convert, but about protecting the Truth. Don't you think that's important? Or do you feel that there is no Truth worth protecting?
And don't put words in my mouth. I never said that God wanted the Inquisition.
As I posted last week to you..

God commanded the idol worshippers to be killed BY THE JEWS so the,LAND,OF ISRAEL would be free of them and inhabited BY THE JEWS....THEIR LAND ..not Vatican land ...OLD Covenant BEFORE JESUS.

I also posted this,for you last week...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/H...

Not from wiki or any protestant source
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#554571 Aug 13, 2014
Just Sayin wrote:
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You do understand that God (as recorded in the OT) commanded His people to murder the pagans? So, why did He do that?
And, btw, the Inquisition and the Crusades were not about forcing people to convert, but about protecting the Truth. Don't you think that's important? Or do you feel that there is no Truth worth protecting?
And don't put words in my mouth. I never said that God wanted the Inquisition.
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/librar... This in my opinion is a great overview of the position that has been held on the Jews.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti... Inquisition Myth or Reality

The History of Protestantism is very very bloody with inquistion upon inquisition then there must be some other grounds on which can lay their claim as a church cannot be true if it doesn't measure up to their modern day eyes.
USA Born

Upland, CA

#554572 Aug 13, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
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Peter alone? I believe it is you who said that.
And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
For Catholics, this text is clear. All twelve apostles were present, yet Jesus promised to give to Peter alone the keys of the kingdom, symbolizing the authority of Christ—the authority of heaven—over the kingdom of heaven on Earth, which is the Church...
When we understand that Christ is the true “son of David” who came to restore the prophetic Kingdom of David, we understand that Christ in Matthew 16, like the King of Israel, was establishing a “prime minister” among his ministers—the apostles—in the Kingdom. Isaiah 22:15-22 gives us insight into the ministry of the “prime minister” in ancient Israel:
Thus says the Lord God of hosts,“Come, go to this steward, to Shebna, who is over the household, and say to him ... Behold the Lord will hurl you away violently.... I will thrust you from your office, and you will be cast down from your station. In that day I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. And I will place on his shoulder the key of the House of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
In Revelation 1:18, Jesus declares,“I have the keys of Death and Hades.” He then quotes this very text from Isaiah in Revelation 3:7:
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:“The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens.”
No Christian would deny Jesus is the King who possesses the keys. Who does he give the keys to? Peter!
"the rock" refers to Peter's faith, but also to Peter. In fact, you can't separate the man from his faith without doing violence to the text.... It is obvious from the text that there is more to this than just Peter's faith (7 Times Christ uses YOU referring to Peter.) Seven is a signifcant number. It is also always significant when someones name was changed in the Bible. Sorry, but he did not say I name you insignificant pebble. It is clear in Acts who is the leader. Peter says, You know the Lord chose me from among you to reveal that salvation was also for the Gentile. All of the Apostles were very significant. All of them had authority to bind and loose just as all Rabbis did but not to the exclusion of the key Holder. In matters of disupte the final arbiter. Protestants have made the keys over a dozen things on this thread alone. However to the Jew the Key Holder had a very distinct meaning. Jesus is not the Prime Minister he is the King. He is the head of the church. Jesus did not say I will give the keys to each invidual and all of your personal truths is the real deal. Many damnable heresies shall come and meet upon swift destruction. So can you tell everyone who that was and how that destruction happened? Just wondering since you are all knowing and all.
http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/pete...
ROTFLOL. You pasted catholic rhetoric somebody else wrote. The writer gave his twisted opinion then cited verse numbers to back it up. You guys are really out there.

I've been reading about your vicar of Christ created by the holy roman empire. Only satan would promote a substitute for Christ. The foundation of your church is deceit, murder and death.
USA Born

Upland, CA

#554573 Aug 13, 2014
Anthony MN wrote:
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Please cite your sources referencing the murderous and bloody RCC starting at the time of St. Irenaeus.
I didn't say the bloody RCC started with Irenaeus, I said the popehood legend did.
Without catholic resources, why don't you prove historically that some guy named Linus was a pope? Are you going to deny the Inquisition? Whether it makes you proud or not, it still happened and it was evil.

Why are there no scriptures about Linus except,

2 Timothy 4:21 Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.

LMAO. From this you get a pope.
guest

United States

#554574 Aug 13, 2014
hojo wrote:
Show us ALL in the Bible where it says that the "Bible alone"is the ONE and ONLY source of Truth which God chose to transmit HIS divine and inspired Word!!........and .........show us ALL (in the Bible)----the words ----"bible only"..........Then get back to ALL of us!......
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Oxbow wrote:
"Bible only" is not in the Bible...but it certainly teaches that....I have shown this to you countless times...
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hojo, here's what it says about murder:
http://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm
New International Version
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
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hojo, here's what it says about truth:
http://biblehub.com/1_john/2-4.htm
New International Version
Whoever says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
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there is no truth in the RCC when it is all PAGAN:
http://biblehub.com/john/14-17.htm
New International Version
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
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and - most importantly - REMAINING in the true church:
http://biblehub.com/niv/2_john/1.htm
New International Version
8 Watch out that you DO NOT LOSE WHAT WE HAVE WORKED FOR, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and DOES NOT CONTINUE in the TEACHING of Christ DOES NOT HAVE GOD; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.
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doesn't say anything about a Eucharist ...
DOES say to CONTINUE in the TEACHING of Christ.
Christ never taught to embrace Paganism - or to murder, and torture or make war in the Name of God.
but the POPE taught to embrace Paganism and murder, and torture and make war in the Name of God.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Burns Lake, Canada

#554575 Aug 13, 2014
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Your POST CONCERNING Fred Phelps ( YOU HAVE POSTED ABOUT HIM BEFORE)..IS
EVIDENTLY TROUBLES YOU......
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Your posts remind me of the rantings of Fred Phelps.

You continually perceive that evil resides in others and not in you.

That is a sign of religious insanity.

People murdered others and still murder others in the belief that they were/are cleaning the world of evil, which being a servant of "GOD."

Scary humans being certain they were and are performing "GOD's" deeds.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#554576 Aug 13, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Gee ... how can we tell that you are Protestant.
Now let's see if the Catholics give congratulations to the yappy Protestant minister and his yappy wife.
i'm a bi-partisan, non-denominational congratulator, June. is there anything that i can congratulate you on recently?:-)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Burns Lake, Canada

#554577 Aug 13, 2014
Gods r Delusions x Mine wrote:
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So many goodies from the delusional angry god.
So many "badies" from those who perceive they are not evil ... while others are evil.

Stupid deluded humans.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#554578 Aug 13, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Are you striving to make even more enemies???
LOL! you and me both, huh June!:-)

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