Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 678813 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#537749 May 17, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text> The crucified Him because he claimed to be thier long awaiting messiah. Here to full fill the Old testament.Not for starting the Catholic church..nope
Totally agree on that one....

He was killed as a sacrifice for OUR SIN...GOD knew in the garden this,would happen.
Not for stating the Catholic Church..

Most of gyroscopes at first continued worshipping in synagogues overlooked house...they remained Jewish as did Jesus
Liam

Aurora, CO

#537750 May 17, 2014
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>clay, NOT one catholic has EVER proved that he was wrong on many of his subjects. you guys and gals are just not that smart, as has been proven, to many times
I'm confident we have, Preston. It comes down to common sense and rationality. If we demonstrate through countless writings, how the CC was there from day one. If we provide documents showing how the Bible came to fruition... if we provide evidence that your teachings originated a couple hundro yrs ago....... and your only response is: "no it wasn't". Well, I think that the debate is over. If anything has been revealed on this forum, its that Catholics answer ALL QUESTIONS. We do not skirt any scenario. You guys need to avoid certain scenarios. You DO NOT answer problematic questions.
Common sense says you couldn't possibly be on the right side of the debate.

Since: Jan 08

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#537751 May 17, 2014
Anthony MN wrote:
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Lol.
Weekend pass from the booby hatch eh?
rather than act like a little grade schooler, why don't you show us where any of you have ever proved him wrong.lol

Since: Jan 08

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#537752 May 17, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
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Totally agree on that one....
He was killed as a sacrifice for OUR SIN...GOD knew in the garden this,would happen.
Not for stating the Catholic Church..
Most of gyroscopes at first continued worshipping in synagogues overlooked house...they remained Jewish as did Jesus
He certainly NEVER started any catholic church, His followers were all Jewish and the Holy Ghost added to the church , not some foolish popery.

they are so foolish in their addressing of people, their little beanie hats that went out of style back in the 50's, and I could go on and on. look at the attitude of Anthony and clay, so childish and unable to act like responsible adults in their discussions on this forum.

they are unable to debate so they flounder around like some carp caught in floodwater that is receding

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#537753 May 17, 2014
Liam wrote:
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I'm confident we have, Preston. It comes down to common sense and rationality. If we demonstrate through countless writings, how the CC was there from day one. If we provide documents showing how the Bible came to fruition... if we provide evidence that your teachings originated a couple hundro yrs ago....... and your only response is: "no it wasn't". Well, I think that the debate is over. If anything has been revealed on this forum, its that Catholics answer ALL QUESTIONS. We do not skirt any scenario. You guys need to avoid certain scenarios. You DO NOT answer problematic questions.
Common sense says you couldn't possibly be on the right side of the debate.
clay, you and Anthony have no [common sense] as I told Robert. it is a catholic thing, prolly

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#537754 May 17, 2014
first and foremost, no writings supersede what is written in the Bible, it was many years later that a church was established in Roma. that church bears no resemblance to what is now called the rcc.

the first church was in Jerusalem and it was all Jewish, with the Brother of Jesus the main honcho, and he wasn't called a pope, since they weren't dopes to call a man in who they had any hope, a pope.

so you show clay that you need to crawl under that rock that oxbore always speaks of, you certainly are like your father , the devil, in the fact that you slither around and lie constantly.
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537756 May 17, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text> I read your link...thanku
We celebrate the Feast of the Assumption on August 15. It's a Holy Day of obligation, meaning we are called to attend Mass on that day. It's such a beautiful feast.
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537757 May 17, 2014
7 To all that are at Rome, the beloved of God, called to be saints. Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

8 First I give thanks to my God, through Jesus Christ, for you all, because your faith is spoken of in the whole world.

Since: Feb 14

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#537758 May 17, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Mary was a Pagan goddess before the myth was stolen for Catholic use.
The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred objects … by Barbara G. Walker.
Mary
The basic paganism of Mary as a composite of the ancient Goddess images led church fathers to oppose her worship most bitterly in the early centuries, and to declare heretical those who claimed she was truly divine. 2 Anastasius insisted that she must never be called Mother of God, for “it is impossible that God should be born of a woman.” 3 Nevertheless, people went right on calling her Mother of God. Eventually, realizing her powerful hold on the masses, churchmen themselves adopted all manner of extravagant praises of the ancient Goddess, newly applied to Mary. She was declared “queen of heaven, empress of hell, lady of all the world.” 4 The Office of the Virgin even made her the world’s primal being,“created from the beginning and before the centuries.” 5
June, I don't understand why you care so much about 3 billion people wanting to be "Idiots" that you spend 16 hours a day, worrying about it, don't you think grown as$ people can do what they want and make decisions on their own? do you expect them or me to say, ah the Hell with it, June is right?
Anthony MN

United States

#537759 May 17, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text> wong..not catholic as in your catholic church of today....catholic as in Universal. An the Orthodox claim that it is their church is what Christ started but I wont get into it as well because it gets us no where You guys would do best by preaching Gods word more and less of " who came first"
"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

"[A]ll the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished." Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155).

“…to be in honour however with the Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline...one to the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul's name to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church...But of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all.” The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177).

"[N]or does it consist in this, that he should again falsely imagine, as being above this [fancied being], a Pleroma at one time supposed to contain thirty, and at another time an innumerable tribe of Aeons, as these teachers who are destitute of truly divine wisdom maintain; while the Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10,3 (A.D. 180).
Anthony MN

United States

#537760 May 17, 2014
“For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,--in the reign of Antoninus for the most part,--and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled.” Tertullian, On the Prescription Against Heretics, 22,30 (A.D. 200).

”Whence you ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if any one be not with the bishop, that he is not in the Church, and that those flatter themselves in vain who creep in, not having peace with God's priests, and think that they communicate secretly with some; while the Church, which is Catholic and one, is not cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the cement of priests who cohere with one another.” Cyprian, To Florentius, Epistle 66/67 (A.D. 254).

“But for those who say, There was when He was not, and, Before being born He was not, and that He came into existence out of nothing, or who assert that the Son of God is of a different hypostasis or substance...these the Catholic and apostolic Church anathematizes.” Creed of Nicea (A.D. 325).

"Concerning those who call themselves Cathari, if they come over to the Catholic and Apostolic Church, the great and holy Synod decrees that they who are ordained shall continue as they are in the clergy. But it is before all things necessary that they should profess in writing that they will observe and follow the dogmas of the Catholic and Apostolic Church; in particular that they will communicate with persons who have been twice married, and with those who having lapsed in persecution have had a period [of penance] laid upon them, and a time [of restoration] fixed so that in all things they will follow the dogmas of the Catholic Church..." Council of Nicaea I (A.D. 325).

“Concerning this Holy Catholic Church Paul writes to Timothy,'That thou mayest know haw thou oughtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth'” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures,18:25(A.D. 350).

"[T]he Article, In one Holy Catholic Church,' on which, though one might say many things, we will speak but briefly. It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the earth to the other; and because it teaches universally and completely one and all the doctrines which ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly… for this cause the Faith has securely delivered to thee now the Article, And in one Holy Catholic Church;' that thou mayest avoid their wretched meetings, and ever abide with the Holy Church Catholic in which thou wast regenerated. And if ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord's House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 18:23,26 (A.D. 350).

"I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the remission of sins, the resurrection of the flesh, and eternal life. Amen." Apostles Creed (A.D. 360).
Anthony MN

United States

#537761 May 17, 2014
"And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the life-giver, Who proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son is together worshiped and together glorified, Who spoke through the prophets; in one holy Catholic, and apostolic Church." Constantinopolitan Creed (A.D. 381).
"Those who from heresy turn to orthodoxy, and to the portion of those who are being saved, we receive according to the following method and custom: Arians, and Macedonians, and Sabbatians, and Novatians, who call themselves Cathari or Aristori, and Quarto-decimans or Tetradites, and Apollinarians, we receive, upon their giving a written renunciation [of their errors] and anathematize every heresy which is not in accordance with the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of God." Council of Constantinople I, Canon 7 (A.D. 381).
“We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is Catholic and which is called Catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard.” Augustine, The True Religion, 7:12 (A.D. 390).
“Inasmuch, I repeat, as this is the case, we believe also in the Holy Church,[intending thereby] assuredly the Catholic. For both heretics and schismatics style their congregations churches. But heretics, in holding false opinions regarding God, do injury to the faith itself; while schismatics, on the other hand, in wicked separations break off from brotherly charity, although they may believe just what we believe. Wherefore neither do the heretics belong to the Church catholic, which loves God; nor do the schismatics form a part of the same.” Augustine, On Faith and Creed, 10:21 (A.D. 393).
"For in the Catholic Church, not to speak of the purest wisdom, to the knowledge of which a few spiritual, men attain in this life…--not to speak of this wisdom, which you do not believe to be in the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations…so does her authority…the succession of priests…[a]nd so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house. Such then in number and importance are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a believer in the Catholic Church…Now if the truth is so clearly proved as to leave no possibility of doubt, it must be set before all the things that keep me in the Catholic Church…For my part, I should not believe the gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church…for it was through the Catholics that I got my faith in it; and so, whatever you bring from the gospel will no longer have any weight with me. Wherefore, if no clear proof of the apostleship of Manichaeus is found in the gospel, I will believe the Catholics rather than you." Augustine, Against the Epistle of Manichaeus, 4:5,5:6 (A.D 397).
Anthony MN

United States

#537762 May 17, 2014
"Philip the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See said: There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the Apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to to-day and forever both lives and judges in his successors." Council of Ephesus, Session III (A.D. 431).

"I have often then inquired earnestly and attentively of very many men eminent for sanctity and learning, how and by what sure and so to speak universal rule I may be able to distinguish the truth of Catholic faith from the falsehood of heretical depravity; and I have always, and in almost every instance, received an answer to this effect: That whether I or anyone else should wish to detect the frauds and avoid the snares of heretics as they arise, and to continue sound and complete in the Catholic faith, we must, the Lord helping, fortify our own belief in two ways; first, by the authority of the Divine Law, and then, by the Tradition of the Catholic Church…Therefore, it is very necessary, on account of so great intricacies of such various error, that the rule for the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed in accordance with the standard of Ecclesiastical and Catholic interpretation" Vincent of Lerins, Commonitory for the Antiquity and Universality of the Catholic Faith, 2:4,5 (A.D. 434).

"Wherefore the most holy and blessed Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us, and through this present most holy synod together with the thrice blessed and all-glorious Peter the Apostle, who is the rock and foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox faith, hath stripped him of the episcopate, and hath alienated from him all hieratic worthiness. Therefore let this most holy and great synod sentence the before mentioned Dioscorus to the canonical penalties." Council of Chalcedon, Session III (A.D. 451).
Anthony MN

United States

#537763 May 17, 2014
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>rather than act like a little grade schooler, why don't you show us where any of you have ever proved him wrong.lol
It's usually best to try and humor narcissistic psychopaths with language they can understand.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537764 May 17, 2014
If you keep in mind that the words Messiah and Jesus BOTH have the same meaning, you will be able to spot the skullduggery.

I suggest that the old testament was the start of literature compiled by disgruntled Jews wanting to start a new religion. They hinted that a messiah was coming as the Jewish prophets predicted was so.

Then the disgruntled Jews known as Catholics compiled the new testament and added Jesus to the name Christ ... and that became a theological joke, because the words Jesus AND Christ both meant messiah, or the anointed one, or savior ... the two words joined together meant messiah ... messiah or savior savior.

On the other end of the spectrum it would comparable to stating the devil's name as Satan Satan.

Ridiculous blather.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>

The Old Testament saints knew something about Messiah, something about Christ.

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-430/a...
Anthony MN

United States

#537765 May 17, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text> wong..not catholic as in your catholic church of today....catholic as in Universal. An the Orthodox claim that it is their church is what Christ started but I wont get into it as well because it gets us no where You guys would do best by preaching Gods word more and less of " who came first"
Important declaration from Chalcedon , which our Orthodox brethren recognize as an ecumenical council and infallible.

"Wherefore the most holy and blessed Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us, and through this present most holy synod together with the thrice blessed and all-glorious Peter the Apostle, who is the rock and foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox faith, hath stripped him of the episcopate, and hath alienated from him all hieratic worthiness. Therefore let this most holy and great synod sentence the before mentioned Dioscorus to the canonical penalties." Council of Chalcedon, Session III (A.D. 451).

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537766 May 17, 2014
So according to the Christians Satan Satan is still alive and unwell, but he doesn't bother them.

That must be why the Catholics and Protestants to this day are having exorcisms performed on them in their churches to try to remove Satan Satan from their bodies.

Stupid people.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537767 May 17, 2014
Christians put the supposed "apostle Paul" up on a pedestal, but if he lived he was simply a disgruntled Jew preaching that a savior was expected to come to earth to reject the Jews in favor of the Catholics.

That makes about as much sense as Catholic prophets claiming that a savior is coming to earth to reject the Catholics in favor of the Protestants.

It would NOT happen.

If Paul existed he was a traitor to the Jews, as was Jesus and Mary and the disciples and every other Jew that became a Christian.

Religion is based on lies and nothing BUT lies.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537768 May 17, 2014
Jesus Christ equates to messiah messiah.

Satan Satan equated to devil devil.

Why have one, when ya can double up and have two of everything???

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537769 May 17, 2014
Now, in the REAL world, many Jews became Catholics by force ... because if they didn't they knew the alternative was torture and death.

That is how the Catholic church grew in numbers over the centuries.

Nothing of which to be proud! NOTHING!!!

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