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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 703901 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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KayMarie

Carlisle, PA

#537658 May 17, 2014
who="Anthony MN"]<quoted text>
"I challenge you to give a scriptural foundation for each of his points...especially that "there is NO salvation outside the Catholic church!"
The CHURCH existed BEFORE the bible. The bible is FROM the CHURCH. Everything you know about God, the bible and salvation is available to you courtesy of the Catholic Church. Although you are heretics and/or the offspring of heretics, by the abundance of grace poured out on the Catholic Church you are able to blessed with the minimal amount of knowledge of salvation through Christ. Only by reconciling with the Church can you receive the fullness of the faith.
"I am embarrassed to recount the 'personal' teachings of what you call "church fathers", so I'll just say that 'there are some rotten apples in the barrel'."
Another lie. The only thing you're embarrassed about is your ignorance of Catholicism, which from pride, resentment and cowardice, you so gleefully attack at every opportunity.
Look inside yourself Kay. Look yourself in the mirror and confess the truth. I know you don't know.

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Jesus said that "whosoever will" might come to HIM and be saved (Not to the CC).

How can you know what I don't know, if you don't even know what YOU don't know?
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537659 May 17, 2014
Regina wrote:
http://www.biblegateway.com/pa ssage/?search=Luke+1
Luke 1:28-29

King James Version (KJV)

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

1:28, 29 Mary was humbled and puzzled that the angel should say she was “favored”(a correct translation of the word sometimes rendered “full of grace”). The word indicates that Mary received grace, not that she was the source of grace to others.
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537660 May 17, 2014
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,(by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
KayMarie

Carlisle, PA

#537661 May 17, 2014
[who="StarC"]<quo ted text>
Kay did you know if you click " reply" The quote comes up without having to copy and paste?
The library is open to the public, not 'hidden', of course you'll have to go to Rome, what are the chances of that? lol.
Or you can go to New York when they are displayed there....(what are the chances of that.
Not gospel? Says who? The founder of your 20th century church?
Believe The Church that Jesus started, not man/women made up churches.

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The book I read will not be displayed publicly, nor will it be found online.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#537662 May 17, 2014
Chess wrote:
<quoted text>
And here I was dumbing down my post for you,'tard.
Slither back under your favorite rock...lying snake
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537663 May 17, 2014
What are the essentials of the Christian faith?"

Answer: The Bible itself reveals what is important and essential to the Christian faith. These essentials are the deity of Christ, salvation by God’s grace and not by works, salvation through Jesus Christ alone, the resurrection of Christ, the Gospel, monotheism and the Holy Trinity. These are the main “essentials” that we should understand and believe if we are followers of Jesus Christ. Let’s look at all of these in a little more detail.

The deity of Christ. Quite simply, Jesus is God. While Jesus never directly says,“I am God” in the Scriptures, He makes it very clear to those around Him, especially the Pharisees and Sadducees, that He is God. John 10:30 says,“I and the Father are one.” Jesus was claiming deity, and, interestingly enough, He did not deny that He was God. Another example is John 20:28, when Thomas says,“My Lord and my God!” Again, Jesus does not correct Him by saying that He is not God. There are many other examples one can find in the Scriptures regarding Jesus’ rightful place in heaven.

Salvation by grace. We are all sinners separated from God and deserving of eternal punishment for our sin. Jesus’ death on the cross paid for the sins of mankind, giving us access to heaven and an eternal relationship with God. God did not have to do this for us, but He loves us so much that He sacrificed His only Son. This is grace, and it is most definitely undeserved favor. Scripture tells us,“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast”(Ephesians 2:8-9). There is nothing we can do to earn God’s favor or gain access to heaven apart from His grace.

CONT
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537664 May 17, 2014
cont
Salvation through Jesus Christ alone. A truly provocative question to ask someone might be “Do all roads lead to God?” The truth is that all roads do lead to God. Eventually, we are all going to stand before God when we die, no matter what faith we are. It is there that we will be judged for what we have or have not done while we were alive and whether Jesus Christ is Lord of our lives. For the majority of people, this will be a terrible occasion, as most will not know Him or be known by Him. For these people, hell will be the final destination. But God in His mercy has provided all of us the only means for salvation through His Son, Jesus Christ. Acts 4:12 tells us that “salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” This passage speaks of the name of Jesus and His saving power. Another example is found in the book of John. Jesus answered,“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”(John 14:6). No one gets into heaven except by faith in the saving work of the Lord Jesus Christ on his or her behalf.

The resurrection of Christ. Perhaps no other event in the Bible, aside from Jesus’ appearance here on earth and subsequent death on the cross, is as significant to the Christian faith as that of the resurrection. Why is this event significant? The answer lies in the fact that Jesus died and then after three days came back to life and rose again to reappear to His followers in bodily form. Jesus had already demonstrated His ability to resurrect others such as His friend Lazarus. But now God the Father had resurrected Him to display His awesome power and glory. This amazing fact is what separates the Christian faith from all others. All other religions are based on works or a powerless deity or person. The leaders of all other religions die and remain dead. The Christian faith is based on Christ crucified and resurrected to life.“And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain”(1 Corinthians 15:14). Lastly, to deny Christ’s bodily resurrection (John 2:19-21) is to deny that Jesus’ work here on earth was a satisfactory offering to God for the sins of mankind.

The gospel. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul spells out what the gospel is and how important it is to embrace it and share it with others. He reminds the Corinthians of the gospel he preached among them:“That Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.” This is the essence of the gospel. Paul also warns us to be wary of the many “false gospels” that are being offered to the unsuspecting:“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed”(Galatians 1:8-9). The pure gospel of Jesus Christ—His death on the cross for sinners and His resurrection to everlasting life—is central to the Christian faith.

cont
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537665 May 17, 2014
cont

Monotheism. Quite simply, there is only one God. Exodus 20:3 states very powerfully,“You shall have no other gods before me.” Monotheism is the belief that there is only one God to be worshipped and served.“‘You are my witnesses,’ declares the LORD,‘and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me’”(Isaiah 43:10). Here we see that we are to “believe” and “understand” that God lives and is one. A Christian will know that there is only one God, the God of the Bible. All other “gods” are false and are no gods at all.“For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live”(1 Corinthians 8:5-6).

The Holy Trinity. While the concept of a “three-in-one God” is not represented by a single verse or passage, it is described frequently throughout Scripture. If we look at Matthew 28:19, we see the verse calling out the Trinity:“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” While this verse mentions all three Persons of the triune God, it does not call them the Trinity. So to understand the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, we must look at the “totality” of Scripture and glean from it the definition. In 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, we see how this comes together:“Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.” Again, we see all three Persons being represented but not titled the Holy Trinity.

Finally, the essentials of Christianity would not be complete without the ingredient that binds everything together—faith.“Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen”(Hebrews 11:1). As Christians we live by this verse with the understanding that we believe in a God we cannot see. But we see His work in our lives and all around us in His creation. We do all of this through faith because we know that faith pleases God.“And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him”(Hebrews 11:6).

.gotquestions.org/essentials-C hristian-faith.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#537666 May 17, 2014
catlic traydayshun...

3) 2 Thess. 3:6 “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition (some translations have teaching, at any rate teaching can be passed on orally before it is committed to writing) which he received from us.”

Again if we go further we find what is being said which proves all should be read in its context. V.10 “for even when we were with you we commanded you this, If anyone does not work neither shall they eat.” It was the same thing by personal word or by letter.

They showed this teaching by example as they were with the Corinthians and he put in writing what he had taught them earlier. This way they would not forget or corrupt it after his death. None of these scriptures have any relationship to the traditions presently taught and practiced in the Roman Catholic Church. Further no one has ever documented any specific teaching to be accredited to Paul in their traditions. Obviously not everything the apostles “said” is written down but the doctrines are. So there is nothing spoken that was not written that we would need to know about salvation and living. For example Paul says in 1 Cor.15:1 “Moreover brethren I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you...” Here it is written out.

The only revelation we have today is the same committed to the apostles that was written down, this was what the church accepted and practiced after the apostles, that which was written, not what is spoken. The same Paul who is claimed to write of traditions specifically tell us in 1 Cor.4:6 “do not to go beyond what is written.” How could he do this if he approved of the apostles oral teaching alongside the writings? He couldn't.

Worth repeating:
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537667 May 17, 2014
Why are there so many Christian denominations?"

Answer: To answer this question, we must first differentiate between denominations within the body of Christ and non-Christian cults and false religions. Presbyterians and Lutherans are examples of Christian denominations. Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are examples of cults (groups claiming to be Christian but denying one or more of the essentials of the Christian faith). Islam and Buddhism are entirely separate religions.

The rise of denominations within the Christian faith can be traced back to the Protestant Reformation, the movement to “reform” the Roman Catholic Church during the 16th century, out of which four major divisions or traditions of Protestantism would emerge: Lutheran, Reformed, Anabaptist, and Anglican. From these four, other denominations grew over the centuries.

The Lutheran denomination was named after Martin Luther and was based on his teachings. The Methodists got their name because their founder, John Wesley, was famous for coming up with “methods” for spiritual growth. Presbyterians are named for their view on church leadership—the Greek word for elder is presbyteros. Baptists got their name because they have always emphasized the importance of baptism. Each denomination has a slightly different doctrine or emphasis from the others, such as the method of baptism; the availability of the Lord’s Supper to all or just to those whose testimonies can be verified by church leaders; the sovereignty of God vs. free will in the matter of salvation; the future of Israel and the church; pre-tribulation vs. post-tribulation rapture; the existence of the “sign” gifts in the modern era, and so on. The point of these divisions is never Christ as Lord and Savior, but rather honest differences of opinion by godly, albeit flawed, people seeking to honor God and retain doctrinal purity according to their consciences and their understanding of His Word.

cont
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537668 May 17, 2014
cont

Denominations today are many and varied. The original “mainline” denominations mentioned above have spawned numerous offshoots such as Assemblies of God, Christian and Missionary Alliance, Nazarenes, Evangelical Free, independent Bible churches, and others. Some denominations emphasize slight doctrinal differences, but more often they simply offer different styles of worship to fit the differing tastes and preferences of Christians. But make no mistake: as believers, we must be of one mind on the essentials of the faith, but beyond that there is great deal of latitude in how Christians should worship in a corporate setting. This latitude is what causes so many different “flavors” of Christianity. A Presbyterian church in Uganda will have a style of worship much different from a Presbyterian church in Colorado, but their doctrinal stand will be, for the most part, the same. Diversity is a good thing, but disunity is not. If two churches disagree doctrinally, debate and dialogue over the Word may be called for. This type of “iron sharpening iron”(Proverbs 27:17) is beneficial to all. If they disagree on style and form, however, it is fine for them to remain separate. This separation, though, does not lift the responsibility Christians have to love one another (1 John 4:11-12) and ultimately be united as one in Christ (John 17:21-22).

cont

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#537669 May 17, 2014
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
You are fibbing StarC. Catholic's lay claim to a lot of things but it doesn't make it true.
I thank the Catholic Church for nothing. It is a false Doctrine.
The angel of the Lord greet Mary with Hail same thing as saying hello. Lk 1:28
Rev.8 :3-4 C hapter
Snipped for space...

LOL , saying hello? Why didn't the angel just say "hello"

Hail Mary full of Grace. Is what the true Bible says

Oh, ok your bible says. "Hello" Mary full of grace, too funny!!!!!:D still laughing !

I do not lie, but your pastor does. He brained washed you.

You can't deny JESUS' Church. Do not follow man made churches founded in the 20th century that make up stuff, delete and change verses to their own private beliefs. That's wrong.

Rev. 8:
3
Another angel came and stood at the altar,* holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne.c
4
The smoke of the incense along with the

prayers of the holy ones went up before

God from the hand of the angel.

#holyones
#saints
#prayers
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537670 May 17, 2014
cont

The Downside of Christian Denominations:

There seems to be at least two major problems with denominationalism. First, nowhere in Scripture is there a mandate for denominationalism; to the contrary the mandate is for union and connectivity. Thus, the second problem is that history tells us that denominationalism is the result of, or caused by, conflict and confrontation which leads to division and separation. Jesus told us that a house divided against itself cannot stand. This general principle can and should be applied to the church. We find an example of this in the Corinthian church which was struggling with issues of division and separation. There were those who thought that they should follow Paul and those who thought they should follow the teaching of Apollos, 1 Corinthians 1:12, "What I am saying is this: each of you says,“I’m with Paul,” or “I’m with Apollos,” or “I’m with Cephas,” or “I’m with Christ.” This alone should tell you what Paul thought of denominations or anything else that separates and divides the body. But let’s look further; in verse 13, Paul asks very pointed questions, "Is Christ divided? Was it Paul who was crucified for you? Or were you baptized in Paul’s name?” This makes clear how Paul feels, he (Paul) is not the Christ, he is not the one crucified and his message has never been one that divides the church or would lead someone to worship Paul instead of Christ. Obviously, according to Paul, there is only one church and one body of believers and anything that is different weakens and destroys the church (see verse 17). He makes this point stronger in 3:4 by saying that anyone who says they are of Paul or of Apollos is carnal.

cont

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#537671 May 17, 2014
Need to run now, might be back if not too busy.

Have a great weekend and a blessed Sunday !
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537672 May 17, 2014
cont

Some of the problems we are faced with today as we look at denominationalism and its more recent history:

1. Denominations are based on disagreements over the interpretation of Scripture. An example would be the meaning and purpose of baptism. Is baptism a requirement for salvation or is it symbolic of the salvation process? There are denominations on both sides of this issue and have used the issue to separate and form denominations.

2. Disagreements over the interpretation of Scripture are taken personally and become points of contention. This leads to arguments which can and have done much to destroy the witness of church.

3. The church should be able to resolves its differences inside the body, but once again history tells us that this doesn’t happen. Today the media uses our differences against us to demonstrate that we are not unified in thought or purpose.

4. Denominations are used by man out of self-interest. There are denominations today that are in a state of self-destruction as they are being led into apostasy by those who are promoting their personal agendas.

5. The value of unity is found in the ability to pool our gifts and resources to promote the Kingdom to a lost world. This runs contrary to divisions caused by denominationalism.

What is a believer to do? Should we ignore denominations, should we just not go to church and worship on our own at home? The answer to both questions is no. What we should be seeking is a body of believers where the Gospel of Christ is preached, where you as an individual can have a personal relationship with the Lord, where you can join in Biblical ministries that are spreading the Gospel and glorifying God. Church is important and all believers need to belong to a body that fits the above criteria. We need relationships that can only be found in the body of believers, we need the support that only the church can offer, and we need to serve God in community as well as individually. Pick a church on the basis of its relationship to Christ, how well it is serving the community. Pick a church where the pastor is preaching the Gospel without fear and is encouraged to do so. Christ and His church is all about your relationship to Him and to each other. As believers, there are certain basic doctrines that we must believe, but beyond that there is latitude on how we can serve and worship; it is this latitude that is the only good reason for denominations. This is diversity and not disunity. The first allows us to be individuals in Christ, the latter divides and destroys.

/www.gotquestions.org/
KayMarie

Carlisle, PA

#537673 May 17, 2014
who="StarC"]<quot ed text>
LOL !
Chapter and verse please.
Who told you that? That's gossip.

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Chapter and verse:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
Rev 1:11 saying, "Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter

Paul wrote much, Peter wrote...

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#537674 May 17, 2014
KayMarie wrote:
[who="StarC"]<quo ted text>
Kay did you know if you click " reply" The quote comes up without having to copy and paste?
The library is open to the public, not 'hidden', of course you'll have to go to Rome, what are the chances of that? lol.
Or you can go to New York when they are displayed there....(what are the chances of that.
Not gospel? Says who? The founder of your 20th century church?
Believe The Church that Jesus started, not man/women made up churches.
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The book I read will not be displayed publicly, nor will it be found online.
Which book might that be?
LTM

Pembroke, Canada

#537675 May 17, 2014
LTM wrote:
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,(by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
I see some one doesn't believe the Bible, Eph 2: is a wonderful scripture to read about God's Grace, and Love to all man kind . His gift of salvation through is Son Jesus proves how much God truly loves us all.
Anthony MN

United States

#537676 May 17, 2014
KayMarie wrote:
who="Anthony MN"]<quoted text>
"I challenge you to give a scriptural foundation for each of his points...especially that "there is NO salvation outside the Catholic church!"
The CHURCH existed BEFORE the bible. The bible is FROM the CHURCH. Everything you know about God, the bible and salvation is available to you courtesy of the Catholic Church. Although you are heretics and/or the offspring of heretics, by the abundance of grace poured out on the Catholic Church you are able to blessed with the minimal amount of knowledge of salvation through Christ. Only by reconciling with the Church can you receive the fullness of the faith.
"I am embarrassed to recount the 'personal' teachings of what you call "church fathers", so I'll just say that 'there are some rotten apples in the barrel'."
Another lie. The only thing you're embarrassed about is your ignorance of Catholicism, which from pride, resentment and cowardice, you so gleefully attack at every opportunity.
Look inside yourself Kay. Look yourself in the mirror and confess the truth. I know you don't know.
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Jesus said that "whosoever will" might come to HIM and be saved (Not to the CC).
How can you know what I don't know, if you don't even know what YOU don't know?
The only reason you even know what Jesus said is because the Catholic Church preserved and protected the bible for 1500 years. Even then your forefathers took and corrupted it and made it into something it was never meant to be.

And I've seen enough of your lies, gossip, innuendo, false witness and distortions over the years to know that you don't know the first thing about the Catholic faith or the Church.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#537677 May 17, 2014
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"I challenge you to give a scriptural foundation for each of his points...especially that "there is NO salvation outside the Catholic church!"
The CHURCH existed BEFORE the bible. The bible is FROM the CHURCH. Everything you know about God, the bible and salvation is available to you courtesy of the Catholic Church. Although you are heretics and/or the offspring of heretics, by the abundance of grace poured out on the Catholic Church you are able to blessed with the minimal amount of knowledge of salvation through Christ. Only by reconciling with the Church can you receive the fullness of the faith.
"I am embarrassed to recount the 'personal' teachings of what you call "church fathers", so I'll just say that 'there are some rotten apples in the barrel'."
Another lie. The only thing you're embarrassed about is your ignorance of Catholicism, which from pride, resentment and cowardice, you so gleefully attack at every opportunity.
Look inside yourself Kay. Look yourself in the mirror and confess the truth. I know you don't know.
Anthony,

There is no salvation outside of Jesus Christ......(Christ's body)

If you are outside of Jesus Christ, you are still in your sins.....

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