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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 692153 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537006 May 14, 2014
Alcoholism Among Clergy

Not surprisingly, the Catholic Church has taken a huge lead in the fight to aid recovery amongst it's clergy. I found numerous sites on the web listing treatment facilities and groups dedicated to helping Catholic priests in their fight against drug and alcohol abuse. There is even the NCCA (National Catholic Committee on Alcoholism) which offers help and information to clergy and laity alike amongst the Catholic faithful.

http://onlinechristiancoffeehouse.blogspot.ca...
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537007 May 14, 2014
INTERESTING article from the Coptic Church, especially the last paragraph......

Feast of the Assumption of Saint Mary

The orthodox Copts celebrated the Feast of the Assumption of Saint Mary on August 22, 2007. I would like to extend my greetings and the warmest wishes to all the readers, and join other Copts in glorifying the Virgin Mary saying “axia: axia: axia: ti agia Maria ti parthenos”, worthy, worthy, worthy is the Virgin saint Mary.“Oo eklom en noob: oo eklom en hat: oo eklom enoani em mar ghari tees e ehree ejen et a fe ti agia Maria ti parthenos”, crowns of gold, crowns of silver, crowns of precious stones on the head of the Virgin saint Mary.

The Feast of the Assumption of Saint Mary, Mesora 16th on the Coptic calendar culminates a fasting period of about two weeks. The vast majority of Copts observe this very popular fasting period, though it coincides with summer vacations for many, as they revere the Virgin Mary as their heavenly mother.

Many Muslims in Egypt secretly observe this fasting period in honor “Setena el adra”,“our lady the Virgin”, as many Muslims have witnessed miraculous answers to their petitions, and the healing power of God at the hands of the Virgin Mary from diverse diseases and tumors. In fact, I remember distinctly in a visit to Egypt years ago, as I was walking through the alleys of “Miser el kadima” churches area, I noticed with some astonishment I should add, several men and women in Islamic dress visiting the churches and asking the priests to pray for their healing.
http://www.copticassembly.org/showart.php...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537008 May 14, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You make sssumptions to bolster your jaded opionions made of straw. First, your opinions are anything but humble. Second as pointed out to you many times in your blathering the church has never taught abuse is ok.
To teach members of a supposedly godly organization that there are heretics out there that god wants killed IS teaching that abuse is ordained BY the supposed god.

You don't want to admit that your teachers were misguided by their own choice of words ... and that is a big problem for you.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537009 May 14, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
Rejoice with those who rejoice; Mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do no be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Romans 12:15-16
How funny!

Live in harmony with one another.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>

How demeaning

People of low position.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>

How phony

Do not be conceited.

:)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537010 May 14, 2014
When people believe they will go to eternal bliss and others will go to eternal hell ... they are terribly conceited.

There is not one shred of humility in that belief. NOT ONE SHRED!
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537011 May 14, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
Rejoice with those who rejoice; Mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do no be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Romans 12:15-16
And so we do mourn with one another, yes? and rejoice. These are just squabbles; when it comes to the "big stuff" we know what to do. Beautiful reminder, though. Here's another lovely passage from the same epistle:

Romans 8:26:27

The Spirit comes to the aid of our weakness; when we do not know what prayer to offer, to pray as we ought, the Spirit himself intercedes for us, with groans beyond all utterance:and God, who can read our hearts, knows well what the Spirit's intent is; for indeed it is according to the mind of God that he makes intercession for the saints.

Isn't that beautiful?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537012 May 14, 2014
And a graduate degree in conjunction with preaching religion as truth is not worth the paper it is written on, because the fact is, the philosophers don't agree on who really does own the rights to the supposed only universal truth.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>

Ministers in any denomination are in short supply. Amongst professionals requiring a graduate degree, we are among the lowest paid. Many would rather be doctors and lawyers, because after all that is where the real money is. Ministers are conditioned to put the needs of others ahead of their own needs and those of their families. There is, as a result, a high level of "burnout" even in the best of circumstances. Add alcoholism and substance abuse to the picture, and the problem is increased dramatically. Yet many denominations turn a blind eye to the problem. They seem to treat the illness of alcoholism the same way a practicing alcoholic treats the problem...through denial.

http://onlinechristiancoffeehouse.blogspot.ca...
Dan

United States

#537013 May 14, 2014
Gods R Delusions x Mine wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO. You couldn't find it in the Catechism, so you posted a Wiki link instead.
Obviously, if you could find it in the Catechism, there would be no need for the Wiki link, nor for you to get angry and call me "lazy AND petulant."
You'd simply post it, right? But you can't, thus the name-calling (just like your Born-Again brothers -tisk, tisk).
Thank you for proving my point, and for the Wiki link.
Ahhhhh, peace ... and ramen :o)
You're missing the point.

What's contained in the Catehcism IS teaching that's held inerrant by the faithful.

"Infallible" teachings in the context of this discussion are ones issued directly by Popes, so I found a listing of some via Wiki.

And I apologized for being snippy.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537015 May 14, 2014
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 8:26:27
The Spirit comes to the aid of our weakness;
But NOT to those that you perceive are "heretics" ... RIGHT??? And how unfair THAT would be, if it was based on any semblance of truth.

Those in other religions are every bit as devout in their faith as are you ... but you certain that you can hog the whole limelight and bathe in it by your own will.

Selfish is the vein of religion.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537016 May 14, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You're missing the point.
Why do you believe that a god ignores all the prayers of all the other people in all the other religions ... yet hears your prayers???

WHY???
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537017 May 14, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
Ministers in any denomination are in short supply. Amongst professionals requiring a graduate degree, we are among the lowest paid. Many would rather be doctors and lawyers, because after all that is where the real money is. Ministers are conditioned to put the needs of others ahead of their own needs and those of their families. There is, as a result, a high level of "burnout" even in the best of circumstances. Add alcoholism and substance abuse to the picture, and the problem is increased dramatically. Yet many denominations turn a blind eye to the problem. They seem to treat the illness of alcoholism the same way a practicing alcoholic treats the problem...through denial.
http://onlinechristiancoffeehouse.blogspot.ca...
Note the devout worshippers laughing at the drunk minister Benny Hinn. And if you think alcoholism is not overlooked by members of congregation, note that Benny Hinn is still raking in the big bucks with his constant ballyhooing about other people's supposed sins.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#537018 May 14, 2014
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
That's it? You've been bearing false witness against the Church Jesus founded for years on end and all that time have desecrated scripture, the very word of God, in an attempt to support that false witness. Your bigotry has not only become pathological but has taken on a life of it's own; it's organic. And all you can come up with is "ok then" when proven for the umpteenth time that you don't know what you're talking about?
I gave you at least three different links to very good articles explaining the correct interpretation of that passage, of what Christ was referring to, and why all the ancient Christian churches call their priests Father. You obviously didn't bother to read any of them. No wonder you keep repeating the same old errors over and over and over again. You don't care to educate yourself. Yet another reason why Christ left us His church, so that people such as yourself don't have to go wandering around in the dark anymore. Unless, of course, you choose to do so, which it appears you do.
Read. If you have any questions, ask us. Btw, the Pope is a priest, no need to say "pope and priests" since he is one. The word "pope" comes from the Latin "papa" and the Greek "pappas" meaning, well, Papa. It's a title of affection. The Coptic Orthodox also have a pope.
Just so you know, our church is not in communion with the Coptic Crthodox church
Michael

Canada

#537019 May 14, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You make sssumptions to ce of evidence that knowledge on how to best deal with it or that its not dealt with at all in many places globally and in fact in some cultures promoted. The majority of the evidence suggests a much lower rate in the church than elsewhere.
Canada only would never happen again or quietly dismissed. Govt only began passing laws to protect themselves when it became an issue. Again the standard practice though was to send them for treatment no time served until recently. They were released and offended again. Christianity in general teaches forgiveness. Given that people who specialize in abuse are still ambiguous about what to do or what may or may not work a with them.
One child abused is too many. One of the biggest mistakes the church made was listening to psychologists and psychiatrists. Interesting that none of them came under fire or perhaps your claim is that the mental health community knew nothing. lol Very often predators in most ways are upstanding members in communities and are in trusted communities and people do not want to believe it about them. They are respected people, often charismatic, and hold positions of authority. Do you think Police never heard anything?
In the case of Cardinal law no less than 58 priests, 4 bishops and thousands of laity demanded his removal. Again its easy to look at things handled badly or incorrectly and demand accountablity when nobody had answers or even kowledge to deal with it nor do they today. Today their is noone who has done more to insitute change than the church, regardless of how it came about. In life in general most things are dealt with best when information is shared and things are made known to all. Hindsight is pure genius and even then the road ahead will not be perfect. Those who claim they have no problem or do nothing have fingers pointing right back and need to remove the log from their eye.
In short abuse is atrocious wherever it is. Abuse from members of clergy of any denomination another helping of bad. The important thing is for all to find and share ways that work with clear policies to help eliminate, treat and keep safer abuse and not just child abuse. Further societies who feel their is no need or promote it need to address it. Just dismissing people silently, giving them to authorities who quickly release them back into society to do it again is not answer.
So rage all you want, but saying that if everyone left the church it would all go away is completely disingenous and very self rigtheous in light of the facts. Did you need to give Mikey a fix? lol Nobody is saying abuse is ok. Nobody taught abuse is ok. Nobody says since its elsewhere it makes it ok. However it is not ok to just make it a Catholic issue and claim you really care about the problem at large.
.....What a load of crap excuse listened to psychologists etc.
...... 30 yeas ago 50 years ago if a child told you that an adult sexually assaulted him/her would you have A. Called a psychologist or B. Called the police.
....When a priest/bishop sexually assaulted a child why did the church offer and pay $$$ medical attention for the abuser and not the Victim, who needed the medical attention more than the perpitrator? Why did all the church officials lie and deny the abuses when questioned by victims families when church officials knew damn well what had happened.
....To date 10 roman catholic dioces out of 195 in the USA have been in and out of bankruptcy because of the enormous costs of sexual abuse by clergy.
...Why do you continually make excuses for the criminals including all the liesping, deceiving, coverup bishops who you have never once questioned?
....You remind me of someone not owning up to their actions. Id f you got a ticket for speeding your answer to the police would be there are others speeding too why aren't you arresting them,?........ instead of saying Its my fault.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537020 May 14, 2014
And the money keeps rolling in..........
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >

9. What distinguishes the Benny Hinn School of Ministry from all the other training facilities, Bible schools, and Christian colleges?

Q. Can the classes be counted toward college credit?

A. At this point they cannot, but our ministry is discussing a possible educational relationship with an excellent Christian college that would allow credit toward a degree. More information will be forthcoming as that relationship develops.

http://www.bennyhinn.org/som/faq.aspx
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537021 May 14, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text> Just so you know, our church is not in communion with the Coptic Crthodox church
Which one do you believe is superior???

OH never mind ... according to you that would be yours.

And of course Jesus would be right there to agree with every word preached IN your church.

YUCK!

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#537022 May 14, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Which one do you believe is superior???
OH never mind ... according to you that would be yours.
And of course Jesus would be right there to agree with every word preached IN your church.
YUCK!
Do you foam at the mouth 24/7....
Michael

Canada

#537023 May 14, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You make sssumptions to bolster youcured when they clearly were not. I dont know how you expect someone who was never trained let alone the general public who are not aware of its abundance in society or how predators work or deal with them.
One child abused is too many. One of the biggest mistakes the church made was listening to psychologists and psychiatrists. Interesting that none of them came under fire or perhaps your claim is that the mental health community knew nothing. lol Very often predators in most ways are upstanding members in communities and are in trusted communities and people do not want to believe it about them. They are respected people, often charismatic, and hold positions of authority. Do you think Police never heard anything?
In the case of Cardinal law no less than 58 priests, 4 bishops and thousands of laity demanded his removal. Again its easy to look at things handled badly or incorrectly and demand accountablity when nobody had answers or even kowledge to deal with it nor do they today. Today their is noone who has done more to insitute change than the church, regardless of how it came about. In life in general most things are dealt with best when information is shared and things are made known to all. Hindsight is pure genius and even then the road ahead will not be perfect. Those who claim they have no problem or do nothing have fingers pointing right back and need to remove the log from their eye.
In short abuse is atrocious wherever it is. Abuse from members of clergy of any denomination another helping of bad. The important thing is for all to find and share ways that work with clear policies to help eliminate, treat and keep safer abuse and not just child abuse. Further societies who feel their is no need or promote it need to address it. Just dismissing people silently, giving them to authorities who quickly release them back into society to do it again is not answer.
So rage all you want, but saying that if everyone left the church it would all go away is completely disingenous and very self rigtheous in light of the facts. Did you need to give Mikey a fix? lol Nobody is saying abuse is ok. Nobody taught abuse is ok. Nobody says since its elsewhere it makes it ok. However it is not ok to just make it a Catholic issue and claim you really care about the problem at large.
.....I am sure if you became aware of a child being sexually assaulted in your neighborhood 20 years ago, or 20 minutes ago, you would be dialing 9-1-1 wanting the perpetrator arrested. Your church leaders did not dial 9-1-1 or take appropriate action.
......But because this happened in your church in your state in your city by roman catholic priests you have nothing but excuses for their actions and as usual deflect the issue.
...Roman Catholics should all be ashamed of themselves for their silence on this issue. It sickens me when you come up with excuse after excuse.
....The Vatican is now embroiled in the Vatican bank money laundering scandal and again Catholics are?........ silent!!!
....The church had made complete buffoons out if all of you and the rest of the world knows it.
Google......Vatican bank money laundering..........you won't because you lack integrity and courage as do the rest controlled by fear.
......Your attitude when things go terribly wrong in your church.....SCHITT. HAPPENS.......Your real response should be that is disgusting and I want answers.
....
Clean up your own mess instead of throw in mud at the ayatola.
Unbelievable!
Michael

Canada

#537024 May 14, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Which one do you believe is superior???
OH never mind ... according to you that would be yours.
And of course Jesus would be right there to agree with every word preached IN your church.
YUCK!
...It won't be long before the Orthos and Catholics are throwing mud at each other. Get some popcorn sit back, relax and wait for the fireworks.

.....It always happens.

....
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537025 May 14, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text> Just so you know, our church is not in communion with the Coptic Crthodox church
I thought not, but knew there were others besides the Orthodox and Catholic so was trying to give more than just the two examples. I'm sure there are others. It actually works out better when we're not in communion, at least for these purposes.
Michael

Canada

#537026 May 14, 2014
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
And so we do mourn with one another, yes? and rejoice. These are just squabbles; when it comes to the "big stuff" we know what to do. Beautiful reminder, though. Here's another lovely passage from the same epistle:
Romans 8:26:27
The Spirit comes to the aid of our weakness; when we do not know what prayer to offer, to pray as we ought, the Spirit himself intercedes for us, with groans beyond all utterance:and God, who can read our hearts, knows well what the Spirit's intent is; for indeed it is according to the mind of God that he makes intercession for the saints.
Isn't that beautiful?
...ReginaM. says.........Isn't that beautiful.
......well (Sorry I can't stop laughing) because your statement is the calm before the storm..

......soon" Isn't that beautiful ". will turn into a bombardment of insults and name calling.

...Almost like a Novena ......within 9 days...it never fails. I say it will be much sooner.

.......I can't wit for big cat fight to begin...RRRR!!

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