Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 670211 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Regina

Toms River, NJ

#533242 Apr 29, 2014
I'll pick up the Sproul conundrum tomorrow, it's getting late.

Good evening!
Dan

United States

#533243 Apr 29, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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There is no text that says God is trinity and revealed as three personages yet its Biblical.
You make no point Sola Scriptoria is Biblical in the same way The Trinity is Biblical.
The trinity is biblical.

The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." It appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14),

Thanks
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#533244 Apr 29, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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Actually it was not decided what the books would be, what was upheld was what books had already been scripture for the past 300+ years but that distinction escapes you because you were RCC brainwashed its not your fault you have never actually independently verified what you claim is truth.
That's just plain false. The Bible didn't even BEGIN to be discussed until the latter half of the second century. It took another 150 yrs before the Church decided on a set canon. Rome spoke and people had the right collection of Books for the Bible. Plain and simple. What, you think the Bible fell out of the sky with chapters and verses? For you to decipher?
Listen, the fact is, you NEED to disagree with the CC.... Or "Roman Roman Roman" Catholic for you fundies... That's why you disagree. You NEED too. Hence, the anarchy abyss as fanatics scramble to separate themselves from the anti christ, Whore of Babylon. You're all a bunch of paranoid conspiracy Christians. 9-11 conspiracy fanatics, but with Christian theology. If truth gets in your way, you simply insert a lie, then you feel better. Lol. RC murdered 100 billion people! "there, now I'm justified for going against the Eucharist! Down with the Romans!.
But wait, CIB, what about the maronite Catholics, Byzantine, Armenian Church, Ethiopian Catholic Church, Greek, Oriental, Syriac Catholic Church, Malankarese Church (founded by Thomas in India), Alexandrian and Coptic Catholic Churches- as well as 700 million of our eastern Orthodox brothers? You despise them, or just the Church in Rome?
Tell me, if the RC is brainwashing me like you stated, it appears I have other options, which are just as good.
No thanks, just this little forum alone exposes the doctrinal mess of evangelical bible fundamentals.
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#533245 Apr 29, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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Once again a RC contradicts herself.
Luke was not an Apostle yet his book is a Gospel that the Didache you posted today calls us to only adhere to the Gospel of the Lord. How could that be how can it be the entire book of Luke being quoted by Early church fathers as scripture and we can reproduce the book of Luke in its entirety just by early church fathers writings?
yet the Fact the Apostles and Luke and the Early church produced miracles is why their writings were authenticated as the word of God as were the words of Jesus's authenticated to be the word of God and HE the WORD by his miracles and his resurrection no less.
What is amazing is yes Sproul does substantiate you just choose to ignore flat out like its not there.
BTW the oral tradition of the Apostles is the NT it has been written down.
And the reason we know RC oral tradition is not the word of God is it contradicts the written word.
Amazing head in the sand to the nth degree
"BTW the oral tradition of the Apostles is the NT it has been written down."

It is the written portion of Sacred Tradition.

"And the reason we know RC oral tradition is not the word of God is it contradicts the written word."

Specifics, sans commentary.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#533246 Apr 29, 2014
Regina wrote:
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Gee, this fella really has you running in circles, doesn't he? You're reduced to arguing a point of practice (i.e. not doctrine). And might I remind you that He is the God of the living, not the dead. Or perhaps you worship a god of the dead? I didn't realize that, so sorry.
The Dead Is a biblical term used for those passed on and who may or not be in heaven.

AS the Bible says the dead will be raised and those in the Lord First.

The Bible refers to saints that have passed on to the next world so to speak as DEAD so maybe you should to and not take the God of the living out of context.

But Typical RC ignore the point which is that which you posted teaches Sola scriptoria and to ONLY pray as the Gospel of the Lord teaches, no oral tradition and the Gospel of the Lord only teaches to pray to God not saints living in the after life or in heaven or dead or anything else.

It teaches to pray to God only that is how Jesus taught his disciples to pray and that is how the Apostles taught us to pray no exceptions OT or NT.

And Paul exhorts us to use Oral tradition to supplement dogma NO PAUL SAYS DON'T GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.

The only one spinning it big time and shucking and diving is you.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#533247 Apr 29, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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Matthew was written Greek Only some RC think and hope for an Aramaic original but yet there is not one.
If you wish to superpose a Aramaic version you open a can of worms for then all the councils that embraced the Greek version as true and the Latin Vulgate would be in error.
So how about we stay in Reality and not venture into FANTASY ISLAND
You must have missed it....."church" was translated from the Greek word "ekklesia"....

Strong's Greek lexicon: a calling out, i.e.(concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly,
Dan

United States

#533248 Apr 29, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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GOSPEL!!!!!
Uncited work of someone else.

"Plagiarism" is what it's called. Not "gospel".

I understand that you all will throw up anything that agrees with you, but the utter lack of citation and academic rigor on part of the sources (when and if they're ever revealed) is noted.

You'd flunk a middle school English class for what LTM puts forth as an argument.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#533249 Apr 29, 2014
Regina wrote:
I'll pick up the Sproul conundrum tomorrow, it's getting late.
Good evening!
Instead of that conundrum how about tomorrow you actually procedure verifiable Historical and biblical evidence that the RCC is the one true church that existed from 33 AD till today.

How about you be the first RC in this thread that instead of trying to show everybody and their dog to be wrong and call them haters of mom Jesus and apple pie actually try to prove the premise of this thread.

That sure would be something

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#533250 Apr 29, 2014
Dan wrote:
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"THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BLOOD LINE OF JESUS"
.......other than being the single largest and oldest Christian denomination in existence. Other than that, you may be onto something.
All caps doesn't render a statement accurate. Just saying.
~~~

GRANTED

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC "APOSTATE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM " IS THE LARGEST..

REPRESENTATIVE OF CONSTANTIN-ISM IS MORE ACCURATE....

in no way

does it allow

JESUS TO REPRESENT HIMSELF through/in it...
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#533251 Apr 29, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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There is no text that says God is trinity and revealed as three personages yet its Biblical.
You make no point Sola Scriptoria is Biblical in the same way The Trinity is Biblical.
But Sola Scripture is impossible. The Trinity is not. Do you realize how many truths you gotta ignore before you arrive at the doctrine of Sola Scripture?
The list is endless. God would have to have a sick sense of humor to install Sola Scripture when hardly anyone could read. Not to mention, for 300yrs, the Bible (if the future compilation was indeed gathered together in one room) would have been 32 feet long and 10-20 feet tall - depending on the condition of the material. That would have been an interesting Bible study group at your house.
But the real dagger in your false doctrine is this:

If sola Scripture is truth, then where does Jesus give us the list of Scripture? Where does his Apostles tell us to compile this list in a Book and call it "the Bible". Instead, the Bible developed over time and through the traditions of the Catholic Church as they gradually approved the writings to be read at Mass.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#533252 Apr 29, 2014
Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a willful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).

Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. 1 John 5:13 states that the letter of 1 John was written for the purpose of assuring believers of the CERTAINTY of their salvation.

Good Works: The Roman Catholic Church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24).

Baptism: In the New Testament baptism is ALWAYS practiced AFTER saving faith in Christ. Baptism is not the means of salvation; it is faith in the Gospel that saves (1 Corinthians 1:14-18; Romans 10:13-17). The Roman Catholic Church teaches baptismal regeneration of infants, a practice never found in Scripture. The only possible hint of infant baptism in the Bible that the Roman Catholic Church can point to is that the whole household of the Philippian jailer was baptized in Acts 16:33. However, the context nowhere mentions infants. Acts 16:31 declares that salvation is by faith. Paul spoke to all of the household in verse 32, and the whole household believed (verse 34). This passage only supports the baptism of those who have already believed, not of infants.

Prayer: The Roman Catholic Church teaches Catholics to not only pray to God, but also to petition Mary and the saints for their prayers. Contrary to this, we are taught in Scripture to only pray to God (Matthew 6:9; Luke 18:1-7).

Priesthood: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that there is a distinction between the clergy and the “lay people,” whereas the New Testament teaches the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9).

Sacraments: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that a believer is infused with grace upon reception of the sacraments. Such teaching is nowhere found in Scripture.

Confession: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that unless a believer is hindered, the only way to receive the forgiveness of sins is by confessing them to a priest. Contrary to this, Scripture teaches that confession of sins is to be made to God (1 John 1:9).

Mary: The Roman Catholic Church teaches, among other things, that Mary is the Queen of Heaven, a perpetual virgin, and the co-redemptress who ascended into heaven. In Scripture, she is portrayed as an obedient, believing servant of God, who became the mother of Jesus. None of the other attributes mentioned by the Roman Catholic Church have any basis in the Bible. The idea of Mary being the co-redemptress and another mediator between God and man is not only extra-biblical (found only outside of Scripture), but is also unbiblical (contrary to Scripture). Acts 4:12 declares that Jesus is the only redeemer. 1 Timothy 2:5 proclaims that Jesus is the only mediator between God and men.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#533253 Apr 29, 2014
Liam wrote:
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But Sola Scripture is impossible. The Trinity is not. Do you realize how many truths you gotta ignore before you arrive at the doctrine of Sola Scripture?
The list is endless. God would have to have a sick sense of humor to install Sola Scripture when hardly anyone could read. Not to mention, for 300yrs, the Bible (if the future compilation was indeed gathered together in one room) would have been 32 feet long and 10-20 feet tall - depending on the condition of the material. That would have been an interesting Bible study group at your house.
But the real dagger in your false doctrine is this:
If sola Scripture is truth, then where does Jesus give us the list of Scripture? Where does his Apostles tell us to compile this list in a Book and call it "the Bible". Instead, the Bible developed over time and through the traditions of the Catholic Church as they gradually approved the writings to be read at Mass.
There is not one truth that is ignored or stepped on.

What you call a sick sense of humor was in existence before the NT it was the OT and that is why Paul says the Bereans were of more Noble character than the Thessalonians because the checked searched the scriptures daily to see what Paul taught was correct in the Scriptures so If Paul thought it was better to do it this way and and Paul said not to go beyond what is written then clearly it was possible. And the OT was in one room in most synagogues all the scriptures of the OT in scrolls were there and Jesus went into the Synagogue and read Joel and read the scriptures from a scroll a poor carpenters son for the poorest of city's Galilee

As it had been for the previous 1000 years in OT times.

You say hardly anyone could read but clearly some could and that was good enough for God and and his Apostle Paul.

And clearly you ignore that which the scriptures reveal that you are only once again regurgitating RC brain washing and have not had an original thought since you gave your brain over to the though police.

Why was it so important to the Romans to burn all the books the early Christians had and how come we have only 4 ancient texts of Plato but some 7000+ of the NT if no one could read or write.

Your false assertions are absurd and ignore biblical and historical FACTS

But how about you show why the RCC is the one true church, you sure are good at accusing falsely we get that but are you any good at defending your Sects assertions?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#533254 Apr 29, 2014
Regina wrote:
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That's right, Marge! But He never said "only if they're written down", did He? He never said sola/solo scriptura. Why settle for half when you can have all His words, when you can have the fullness of His truth? 18"I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you."
(P.S. That's John 14, LTM)
Enjoy your show!
Jesus already came to us Regina, that's what it means to be born-anew through HIM. He JESUS is the fullness of Truth.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#533255 Apr 29, 2014
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually ones location can be tracked down by use of the IP address.
Really??? So what good is it to use pseudo names if others can find out where you live?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#533256 Apr 29, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Finally got around to it, LTM.
"Second Timothy 4:3–4 declares,“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”
The very description of protestantism.
Is this Dan from Omaha?

We only have only One Teacher who is in Heaven and Only listen to Him.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#533257 Apr 29, 2014
I John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (KJV)

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#533258 Apr 29, 2014
marge wrote:
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Jesus already came to us Regina, that's what it means to be born-anew through HIM. He JESUS is the fullness of Truth.
Silly people.

If someone said to you "Jesus loves both Catholics and Protestants and will reject all other souls to hell for eternity" ... would it help you Catholics and Protestants to be nice to each other ... for a change???

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#533259 Apr 29, 2014
marge wrote:
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Is this Dan from Omaha?
We only have only One Teacher who is in Heaven and Only listen to Him.
Does your teacher know how to play the violin???

:)

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#533260 Apr 29, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Really??? So what good is it to use pseudo names if others can find out where you live?
That's why I only post at work where the computer is used by multiple people.

And when I registered I used erroneous info. Even my moniker Tony is the name of one of my ex partner's.

In this life one must be wiser than the serpent.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#533261 Apr 29, 2014
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
GRANTED
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC "APOSTATE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM " IS THE LARGEST..
REPRESENTATIVE OF CONSTANTIN-ISM IS MORE ACCURATE....
in no way
does it allow
JESUS TO REPRESENT HIMSELF through/in it...
The first Protestants were fresh from the Catholic bible ... hardly even cooled off.

Whether or not you approve, your heritage is CATHOLIC.

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