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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 701951 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532749 Apr 28, 2014
Liam wrote:
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It wasnt "some scholars" that decided. It was the successors to the Apostles.
Successors to Jewish apostles would be Jews faithful to Judaism.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532750 Apr 28, 2014
hojo wrote:
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Then go live on your isolated island of (empty) atheistic "nothing-ism " ----You've made your choice.---and we, as Catholics have made ours.......to have chosen to follow, believe adhere to and worship Jesus Christ ---in and through His Historically and biblically Proven One True Apostolic Catholic Church...... You obviously are in atheistic turmoil --- angry, vindictive, hostile and condemning of ANYONE who chooses to live each day by faith and salvation in Jesus Christ!!!
You ignored the content of my post to once again preach Catholicism.

June VanDerMark wrote:

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And they ALWAYS ignore the mythology of those in other religions that believe that their supposed saviors are also expected on earth at any time now.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532751 Apr 28, 2014
hojo wrote:
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NOPE! Maybe for "fallen away Catholic liberals" like you but not for "faith filled" Catholics like Clay,Anthony, Regina, Robert, Star C and myself!!!!
hojo is busy once again dragging the Jewish rabbi Jesus into his Catholic religion.

I suggest that (artificially) Jesus has mopped up more sins in his time than can be imagined.

Funny stuff in deed.

“BACK IN TIME”

Since: Dec 13

Under a Bridge, USA

#532752 Apr 28, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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As do all heavy-duty worshippers of supposed gods, you totally ignored my point about the supposed god CREATING suffering of all form of life.
You wouldn't want to question the motives of a supposed god that has the power to reject you to hell ... WOULD you???
So you tip-toe through the tulips in the ho-hum attitude that "However god wanted it and wants it to be, it is A-OKAY with ME ... blah, blah, blah."
As did Mother Teresa, you put suffering UP on a pedestal and thank the supposed god for the suffering.
I suggest there is something that stinks about that belief.
If you want to be thankful for your own suffering, that's your business, but I don't want you to be thankful for my suffering in order to appease your own religious nonsense.
June you ignored my whole post. I was agreeing with you about suffering by telling you that I've endured it also, but I never said I liked it or I'm glad this or that happened, I'm not.

I did say if there wasn't some type of cycle the world would be full of animals and humans with nothing to eat except each other. I never mention God in my post June you brought that up. I already know how you feel about that subject because you told me. If you don't think there's a God I'm good with that June. I wish because I do that you would be good with that too.

I like you June and I don't need to argue with you. That doesn't mean we can't talk does it? I hope not. After all you were the first to speak to me here, so I already know you are a nice Lady. I'm not here to save anyone and I sure wont be here for years arguing a moot point. If y'all ain't got it settled by now there's nothing I can contribute. So like I first said, I came in peace and I will leave in peace. NO vile names aimed at June either, period.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532753 Apr 28, 2014
In the early days of Catholicism, confession was a public "affair."

Back then not too many people wanted to confess sins.

So, the popes (talking ex-cathedra) of course {{{wink}}} decided if they wanted the flock to come to them they would have to tell the flock that Jesus was waiting for them in the confessions, urging the priests to tell the flock that Jesus forgave their sins.

Cagey operators.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#532754 Apr 28, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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As do all heavy-duty worshippers of supposed gods, you totally ignored my point about the supposed god CREATING suffering of all form of life.
You wouldn't want to question the motives of a supposed god that has the power to reject you to hell ... WOULD you???
So you tip-toe through the tulips in the ho-hum attitude that "However god wanted it and wants it to be, it is A-OKAY with ME ... blah, blah, blah."
As did Mother Teresa, you put suffering UP on a pedestal and thank the supposed god for the suffering.
I suggest there is something that stinks about that belief.
If you want to be thankful for your own suffering, that's your business, but I don't want you to be thankful for my suffering in order to appease your own religious nonsense.
June, blame blame blame blah blah blah , Our own actions direct us to either Heaven or Hell. The truth is God sent Jesus to direct us to Him and His Kingdom, that is why Jesus died.
for people like you and people like me.
You are like I use to be selfish and with a rebellest spirit. Wanting what you want.

It is okay if God wants the best for His children don't you, God is the creator of all things .
No one likes to suffer or see others suffer June, neither does God.
Jesus didn't want to die the way He did, He suffered greatly on this earth,
Sin is for but a season June eternity is forever.
You are on this thread for a reason June, you have read and seen the Holy Scripture, and rejected them, when you stand before God you will have no excuse.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#532755 Apr 28, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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The Catholic fathers wrote that the apostle Paul stated such and such and that Jesus stated such and such. It was their JOB to create illusions so that you would follow their illusions.
And the answer is "NO."
I've studied most religions of the world, and have concluded that they are all self-centered in their claims of knowing truth ... while they at same time dis every other religion as being based on lies and continually point at each other as being evil offender of the gods.
It's a whole lot of childish nonsense.
I will wait, and if there just happens to be a hereafter, I will take it as it comes. I will NOT entertain the notion that there is a heaven and a hell, as I believe "that" is man-created junk.
Thanks for asking, rather than suggesting off the cuff that I will go to hell, as occurs with so many Christians.
as a fellow human, i'm honestly on your side, but also as a child of God, i'm responsible to be truthful.

may i suggest one other nugget for your consideration?

i understand that rome tried to hijack Christianity and use it as a means to control the masses and still does through catholicism to this day and that's why i say what i do against it.

since God is mightier than any king or kingdom of this earth, He's also able to preserve His testimony to all peoples in every generation. He's proved this through His preservation of the Jewish nation and He's done it as well through the preservation of the Bible, in spite of all the attempts throughout the ages to compromise and destroy them.

don't be mistaken that you are making a choice in what you believe and i can say from my brief experience talkng with you, that your choice so far is not objective and without prejudice:-)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532756 Apr 28, 2014
--SPOONER-- wrote:
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June you ignored my whole post. I was agreeing with you about suffering by telling you that I've endured it also, but I never said I liked it or I'm glad this or that happened, I'm not.
I did say if there wasn't some type of cycle the world would be full of animals and humans with nothing to eat except each other. I never mention God in my post June you brought that up. I already know how you feel about that subject because you told me. If you don't think there's a God I'm good with that June. I wish because I do that you would be good with that too.
I like you June and I don't need to argue with you. That doesn't mean we can't talk does it? I hope not. After all you were the first to speak to me here, so I already know you are a nice Lady. I'm not here to save anyone and I sure wont be here for years arguing a moot point. If y'all ain't got it settled by now there's nothing I can contribute. So like I first said, I came in peace and I will leave in peace. NO vile names aimed at June either, period.
I've heard the same stories as you tell many times in my eight years on threads of forums.

The fact is, if you are Christian, you believe in hell for others and heaven for your self, and I find that belief totally repulsive.

Also, you still didn't address the issue of why a decent god would create a realm of such horrific suffering, if it was not a demon in its own right.

Bunkology
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#532757 Apr 28, 2014
Liam wrote:
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It wasnt "some scholars" that decided. It was the successors to the Apostles. It's true, before the ink was dry they were going to be Christian Scripture. But the Apostles didnt know that. We know Paul had at least two more letters (one more to the Corinthians and one to the Laodecians) that are gone. It stands to reason that Andrew, Phillip, Bartholomew and Thomas wrote some things too. Maybe it was detailing the Mass, maybe it shed some more light on some other things like Clement and Ignatius' letters did...
Why aren't Clements and Barnabes letters in the Bible. Luke's are.(Gospel, Acts and possibly Hebrews).
The Bible has no list of inspired Books... Jesus didnt give us one and neither did His Apostles. How could they have taught Sola Scripture without a list of Scripture. Not even the Jews had a list for the first hundred yrs of Christianity. Look at what the Essenes had (The Dead Sea Scrolls). I mean this is archeological, historic fact.
Very good Liam, it is great to see that you have delving deeper and I love that you know the missing letters of Paul.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#532758 Apr 28, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
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I liked it did I? LOL Another of your arrogant sarcastic statements. She was asked to tone it down and not one single Catholic engaged in it or supported her. She was offered correction, but the fact is the heinous comments that flow like a sewer at full speed that come out of Protestants in here daily is ridiculous. My comment was that you have plenty of time to engage in petty nonsense and add fuel to the fire, but cant seem to muster up the time for an intelligent response to an actual topic. I didnt engage in your petty warfares and pretty much scrolled past the useless banter with no value, but you all joined in and did plenty to keep mocking and making jokes at her expense to keep it going rather than just ignoring it or engaging in anything that may have meaning. Petty gossip like wine bibbers behind curtains, Mexico breakaway Catholics, The Pope is Gay because world renowned acrobats peformed shirtless as they always do for a charity even. Oh the Shock! lol Gee point out an obsession with abuse and then when you get a post on it in your house you lash out. Complete Hypocrisy! And on and on. Its all about petty nonsense and mindless bickering for you two. How many times do things have to clearly explained to you clearly and then distorted by you before its a lie?
FYI most of the time,I ignored her, as engaging her made things,worse,not only on this,thread..I left another to avoid the upset.as the language was worse... however, I did stick up for Sera. So what...most times. Topix removed her awfulness..thank God as i
Believe it reflects,poorly on all of us
You brought her up again..I'm happy to ignore that unpleasantness ...it's,gone on for years,...I pray for the woman...best I can manage ..

Again you acted as,if she is a victim...

As for the other garbage ...I mostly do not engage....only time was calling Michael what he was called ...Yes,he is,one minded on the subject...still no reason to slander his personal behaviour.

But you take any comment as,being a horrid statement ...it's not always..I know,some names are hurtful..I DO NOT use them ...so as I said..let's,leave things,out of a,discussion that don't belong there,..I personally DO NOT hate the RCC, not it's,people

But I've admitted things,I've read on here,have taken me by surprise ...and,not able a us,in a nice way ...again, so WHAT ...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532759 Apr 28, 2014
He "hid" his Rosary from his wife, because she was still a Protestant.

And at the time, HE was earning a living still teaching Protestantism to others as being based on truth.
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ROME SWEET HOME by Scott and Kimberly Hahn … our journey to Catholicism

One night Scott told me he had begun praying the Rosary. I couldn’t believe my ears! I didn’t even know he had owned one. This study and now practice of Catholicism were getting serious.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532760 Apr 28, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
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Very good Liam, it is great to see that you have delving deeper and I love that you know the missing letters of Paul.
Maybe you two Catholics should "rent a Catholic church and teach others the "golden rule."

:)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#532761 Apr 28, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Repetitive angry rant from a dimwit.
Go hiss under your favorite rock...snake
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532762 Apr 28, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
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FYI most of the time,I ignored her, as engaging her made things,worse,not only on this,thread..I left another to avoid the upset.as the language was worse... however, I did stick up for Sera. So what...most times. Topix removed her awfulness..thank God as i
Believe it reflects,poorly on all of us
You brought her up again..I'm happy to ignore that unpleasantness ...it's,gone on for years,...I pray for the woman...best I can manage ..
Again you acted as,if she is a victim...
As for the other garbage ...I mostly do not engage....only time was calling Michael what he was called ...Yes,he is,one minded on the subject...still no reason to slander his personal behaviour.
But you take any comment as,being a horrid statement ...it's not always..I know,some names are hurtful..I DO NOT use them ...so as I said..let's,leave things,out of a,discussion that don't belong there,..I personally DO NOT hate the RCC, not it's,people
But I've admitted things,I've read on here,have taken me by surprise ...and,not able a us,in a nice way ...again, so WHAT ...
You PRIDE your self on never saying anything hurtful to others. Yet you invest all your faith in a religion that preaches hell for others and heaven for self.

It's amazing that you won't see that issue for what it is and how very repulsive it is.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#532763 Apr 28, 2014
LTM wrote:
The Church Councils. There have been three major Roman Catholic Councils: Council of Trent (1545-1563), Vatican I (1869-1870), and Vatican II (1962-1965). The last Council, Vatican II, offered no new doctrines nor repudiated any essential teaching of the Roman Church; it referred to Trent dozens and dozens of times, quoted Trent's proclamations as authority, and reaffirmed Trent on every hand. Even the New Catholic Catechism (1992/1994) cites Trent no less than 99 times! There is not the slightest hint that the proclamations of the Council of Trent have been abrogated by Rome. At the opening of the Second Vatican council, Pope John XXIII stated, "I do accept entirely all that has been decided and declared at the Council of Trent," and all of the Catholic leaders who attended Vatican II signed a document containing this statement.(The current pope, Pope John Paul II, has even cited the Council of Trent as authority for his blasphemous position on Mary.):
To anyone with brains it is clear John Paul II was the Pope when this was written.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532764 Apr 28, 2014
It's difficult for me to believe that adults right up to the time of their death will place all their faith in the idea that they will be rewarded with eternal bliss for belonging to the RIGHT religion.

From my perspective that is the most ignorant belief possible.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532765 Apr 28, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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Go hiss under your favorite rock...snake
Hahahahaha

You always bring humor along with your "love" of others.

:)
Liam

Aurora, CO

#532766 Apr 28, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Clay,
While God also revealed His will through the spoken word (through both apostles and prophets), He did not cause it all to be written down in permanent form.
What God did cause to be written is adequate for our spiritual needs and guidance and MUST be followed.
It is complete and is referred to as Scripture.
And its not that I'm saying 'Scripture alone cant get someone to Christ'. I don't doubt someone gets 'zapped' after reading the Gospels, and makes a move to accept Christ- with or without the CC. My issue is with how fundamentals took it to another level; Deciphering every little word and punctuation mark. I doubt that's how Luther envisioned sola scripture would be. I think its ridiculous that people would demand a verse stating specifically that Mary was every virgin. Or that the word "brother" - which is so loosely used in Scripture - means she had all these other kids, when the early Church most certainly would have wrote about Jesus's biological siblings or Mary's Grandkids..... instead, you have the early Church believing she was ever virgin, and they didnt come to that conclusion by holding a magnifying glass to a verse in the Gospel of Luke.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532767 Apr 28, 2014
I personally knew a woman who was Protestant, and who found that in order to make her marriage work, she had to become a Catholic as was her husband.

They are close to 90 years of age and are still married.
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ROME SWEET HOME by Scott and Kimberly Hahn … our journey to Catholicism

Since the beginning of our relationship, Scott and I had grown and changed together, at least in minor ways, in our convictions. But by Scott’s continuing to change and my refusing to change, we were both starting not to trust each other. The foundation of trust in our marriage was being shaken tremendously.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#532768 Apr 28, 2014
ROME SWEET HOME by Scott and Kimberly Hahn … our journey to Catholicism

After one particularly agonizing day, I said to Scott,“I would never consider suicide, but I have begged God today to give me an illness that would kill me so that I can die and have all the questions laid to rest. Then you could find a nice little Catholic girl and get on with life.”

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