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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 672775 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#525591 Mar 30, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
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By God is the clue,..not by Roman Catholic
My understanding is,that it was the CHURCHES...and was the Council in Rome where they decided ...???
All those,Churches,listed in Scripture.....but only the,Roman Catholic put together the bible...amazing.
Did the monks,preserve the word and copy it..of course,...but scripture is,God breathed and no one of the CHURCHES is,responsible for declaring it...
A greater many of.
The,scriptural writings,were acknowledged by the very early Church ...and,yes,letters,PASSED AROUND..copied for that purpose..., and no not Xeroxed as some thought I was,saying..sarcastically ...
These were,previous,writings,to be shared and preserved....and I still believe there were scribes,among His,disciples ..it makes,no sense that NOT ONE PERSON wrote down His,words,...until years,later...no notes..no letters...it strains the,mind ...and is,nonsensical..
A,complete,gospel might well have been put together later using these,writings..especially with Matthew as,he was added to the group.., or Mark scribing for Peter in the early Church ...
I can't prove it..but we shall see..the thought they had nothing written at all until decades later is,foolish....and we have NO IDEA,what writings,were lost when Jerusalem...the SEAT of Christianity and Judaism..in 70 ..destroyed b y rebels,or Romans and the entire place was,GONE ..
THANK GOD,many Followers,of the,Way left ...but that doesn't mean no one or nothing was,lost in that awful time ...
But I just don't see,why it's,so important to the RCC folks,here that they believe no one wrote a,thing.during Jesus,life...and that's,nothing against the CHURCH ...I'm betting in honestly some Catholic scholars came,to the same conclusion..it only makes,sense..they tout the letters,of the disciples,of the Apostles..but there was,NOT ONE THING WRITTEN..note or letter to be made,into a,later gospel while He,lived...????? Nonsense..
I'm betting many of Jesus,followers,she were dispersed wrote also..We,May not have it a 'll preserved ...but again ..common sense should prevail ..
Anyhow....the leaders,of the CHURCHES...under GODS,inspiration put together the Canon..
Rosesz,

I agree with much of what you say here. It's reasonable to assume that at least some of the Apostles and Disciples wrote letters or maintained some records. These would have been drawn on or referred to by people coming later to write what became the NT. Perhaps some of these writings were copied directly into some of the books. I suppose the truth of that is lost to antiquity, but it does make sense. Inspiration from the Holy Spirit would, it seems to me, be required not only for writing and passing on the various documents; but also for selecting the material to keep and the material to discard.

The Jewish Canon of what we call the OT was established after Jesus died. The Jewish officials in Israel drew from many different versions but relied most heavily on the Temple version, the Babylonian version, and the Alexandrian version (the Septuagint). The Septuagint was, of course, written in Greek. That may have been the impetus for earliest written Bibles being written in Greek since the Alexandrian Septuagint is much larger than the NT. The Catholic Canon of the OT and the NT were established by the churches in North Africa and have remained fixed since shortly before 400 AD.
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#525592 Mar 30, 2014
confrinting with the word wrote:
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I POSTED YOUR LAST RANTING ON FACE BOOK.. TO A GROUP OF EVANGELICAL PREACHERS..
STRAIGHT FROM YOUR DECEITFUL MOUTH
i...JUST WANTED THE REST OF THE WORLD TO KNOW WHAT YOUR ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT REALLY BELIEVE..AND TEACH...
MANY OF THEM NEVER KNEW AND WILL BE SURPRISED...
IT'S TIME THAT THOSE THAT HAVE CONSIDERED YOUR CULT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION HEARD THE TRUTH FROM YOUR OWN FORUM.
Thank you for that! Although, i doubt these "preachers" will give up their careers spreading their ideas of Scripture. They'll puff their chests out like you and carry on undermining the truth.
(you can post that on FB too)

Since: Mar 14

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#525593 Mar 30, 2014
jESUS Gave the Keys of Binding and Loosing. To All Believers .

Yes He Introduced the Idea to Peter and the Apostles. in Chapter Matthew 16 ... in Galilee,

Then Chapter 18 jESUS Went to Judaea and Described the SAME eXact KEYS. IN the Same eXact Detail .. and Concluded that All Believers Who Believe in His Name have the Keys to Bind and Loose.

Catholics Deny Jesus CONCLUSION and Deny Him.

They Hate jESUS.,,,,,, and wish to Make Him and His Word a LIE.

jESUS GAVE All Believers . the Keys. The Same eXact KEYS that he had Just Given to Peter.

But Catholics Don't Tell You that. Maybe Because God never CHANGED HIS NAME.

Catholics do not think they Should Take Him Seriously.?

Obviously.

But He Traveled To
Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#525594 Mar 30, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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You will not, in your present state, understand Scripture...so says the Bible: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Your lack of understanding the definition of tradition proves it....
I understand and accept the definition of "tradition". Your problem is your unwillingness to accept Scripture.
Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#525595 Mar 30, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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See my last reply on that...
Your last reply made no more sense than your preceding replies.

Your inability to comprehend even simple things is nearly beyond comprehension. But I'll bite. What is "traditionary law", and why would Paul urge the faithful to maintain it? Do you have an explanation that makes any sense at all?

Since: Mar 14

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#525597 Mar 30, 2014
The Jewish Canon was established BEFORE Jesus.

There Was no REASON to INCLUDE the EXTRA Catholic BOOKS of the BIBLE,

Because there WERE and ARE no Original Hebrew MANUSCRIPTS of these FAKE Books.,
Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#525598 Mar 30, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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In your present state, you will not understand Scripture...so says the Bible: I have given you this definition of tradition in that verse over and over....But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
If you read the next verse of Scripture:
"So, then, brethren stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thess. 2:15)
It's very difficult to understand why Paul would be telling the faithful to adhere to Jewish traditionary law as you claim. He is, instead, referring to the new traditions taught by "us either by word of mouth or by letter.". Since that's exactly what Paul says I don't understand why you think he might be referring instead to "Jewish traditionary law" as you claim.
Perhaps you could explain yourself?
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#525599 Mar 30, 2014
Tango Bravo wrote:
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Rosesz,
I agree with much of what you say here. It's reasonable to assume that at least some of the Apostles and Disciples wrote letters or maintained some records. These would have been drawn on or referred to by people coming later to write what became the NT. Perhaps some of these writings were copied directly into some of the books. I suppose the truth of that is lost to antiquity, but it does make sense. Inspiration from the Holy Spirit would, it seems to me, be required not only for writing and passing on the various documents; but also for selecting the material to keep and the material to discard.
The Jewish Canon of what we call the OT was established after Jesus died. The Jewish officials in Israel drew from many different versions but relied most heavily on the Temple version, the Babylonian version, and the Alexandrian version (the Septuagint). The Septuagint was, of course, written in Greek. That may have been the impetus for earliest written Bibles being written in Greek since the Alexandrian Septuagint is much larger than the NT. The Catholic Canon of the OT and the NT were established by the churches in North Africa and have remained fixed since shortly before 400 AD.
Luke was a doctor and a prolific writer.

Tango Bravo said, quote. "The Jewish Canon of what we call the OT was established after Jesus died." End quote.
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So when Jesus quoted Scripture from where did He quote? It wasn't the Old Testament? If not, from what?

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#525600 Mar 30, 2014
All of the Greek Manuscripts--- of the eXTRA CATHOLIC Books

This GARBAGE.... The Useless Apocrypha --- are statements or claims that are of dubious authenticity.

They have no ORIGINAL Hebrew Text.. because they were INVENTIONS of Lying Authors.

Which the Catholic and PAGAN world Made a Laughingstock of.

Re Creating, Adding to, and Furbishing in Fraud,

the Apocrypha...... to Suit their Personal Opinions . and WORLD View...
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#525601 Mar 30, 2014
OldJG wrote:
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Roman Catholics will think it is OK because it is not Biblical. Same ol same ol. Just sayin'
It's very Biblical. It captures the whole meaning of the story. You just don't understand what the Bible is or where it came from. The Bible itself has become your god. Or worse, your interpetations of the Bible has become your god.
That's called idolatry.
Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#525602 Mar 30, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
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They did not conquer so many lands without learning the local or a common language ..Greek maybe as a lot they conquered was Geek..BUT the Jews were known as a staff people ...I'm sure they spoke exclusively What they ALL understood ..Hebrew..Aramaic ?
And the,Romans,WERE educated...
Jesus I'm sure knew,all language...but I'm sure he spoke to the,Jews in their OWN language..
And my original point was that no one knows what languages He used. No one knows what languages were used when the Apostles and Disciples first started making written records. We can only guess how many times these writings were translated into how many different languages before the Canon was established and written in Greek, then Latin, and finally English.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#525603 Mar 30, 2014
The process of canonization occurred between 200 BC and 200 AD, and a popular position is that the Torah was canonized c. 400 BC.

Tango Bravo, did Jesus die before 400 BC? LOL LOL LOL

Another Roman full of himself and corrupt Roman theology.
Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#525606 Mar 30, 2014
marge wrote:
Tango wrote:"So, then, brethren stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thess. 2:15)
Bible-only isn't Scriptural. Bible plus tradition handed down through the Apostles and Disciples is Scriptural. QUOTE:
The fact is that most of your traditions don't agree with Scripture. It's not just adding to the Scriptures but disagreeing with them.
Tradition is passed down to us, first by word of mouth and also by the written word. What dogma of the CC is in disagreement with Scripture. Some of it is based more on tradition than Canon, but none of it is in opposition to Scripture.

Why do you insist on following a non-Scriptural Bible-only tradition formed by men and refuse the Scriptural direction to "...stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thess. 2:15)?

Since when is it Scriptural to ignore Scripture?

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#525608 Mar 30, 2014
No one speaks ARAMIAC......today & eXpects to comunicate with anyone BUT a clown on LSD
or a catholic or muslim TRYING to PROP up this JUNK language.......... with their Junk religion...
When Paul spoke to the Roman commander, he used Greek (Acts 21:37).
Act 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
When he addressed the HEBREWS he spoke to them "in their Hebrew language" (Acts 21:40).
Act 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue
.. in the book of Act 26:14 we hear JESUS speaking to PAUL out of the heavens.
Paul said I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue,
JESUS SAID IN HEBREW
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN...when ..... Paul is speaking TO JEWS
Act 22:1 Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them
1. All of the canonical gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke and John—were All
written in Greek.
Joh 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
Luk 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
PAUL WAS NOT CONCERNED with the JUNK, fake, fraud, pagan, foul language of ARAMIAC..
it was a dying non eXistant...non COMUNICATIVE........non valid scabb language to the Jews...
A mockery & JOKE
THATS Y catholics & MUSLIMS love to prop it up as JESUS language,,,
bec it tears down the Gospel, the Bible...the deity of Jesus,,,....
It perverts the entire GOSPEL...to the ORIGIONAL LANGUAGE the ENTIRE bible was written in .....
GREEk & HEBREW,,,,,.....catholics & muslims have spent 2000 yrs......trying to tear Jesus Down from His throne...
& pervert His word
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
This is Paul James John Jesus Peter & all the apostles.....
The Jews spoke Hebrew...
Over the CROSS was written IN HEBREW,,...because the JEWS spoke HEBREW..
The Romans tried to murder Jesus at his birth...
They finally Got him & TORTURED, ripped him apart & hurt him so badly..and horribly..
Ripped the skin off his back with a whipp till his guts were falling out..
They ripped his beard off Tearing his face off ,,He suffered so much
& reX is not gonna let Catholics & Muslims continue to LIE ...about reXes LORD & God//
Yashuah The LORD //
Luk 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
The romans wanted to make sure the JEWS.....ALL JEWS
ALL JEWS understood..........
what happens when you try to....raise up another AUTHORITY other than ROME...
Writing a dinky little flimsy garbled SLANG SCRIBLE in Aramaic would be worthless...
To anyone who believed in JESUS
Aramaic is special to muslims & catholics...
They love it........
None of the BIBLE is in Aramaic
but a few pages scribbled down by Arabians , Idiots & catholics to spit upon Gods Holy word.... for a JOKE...
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#525609 Mar 30, 2014
reXpectrum wrote:
This catholic is lying to you…
its ALL they do,--- IN A great PAGAN, ROMAN TIC, FRENZY“; and SERPENTine~“; - SLY ~ like UNIVERSIAL Orgy and A Spiritual Prostituted Circle…--- Complete of Lies /“;
Diverting, Leaping, Climbing, Falling & Twisting.
FOR - If Changing the Name of a Character in the bible Gives them Superiority over Others.
Why did God NEVER Change Mother Mary's NAME --? Mary's Name WAS NEver CHANGED.
So We can CONCLUDE.. Based on Catholic theology, that Mary OF ROME is not the Mary of Reality. Because God Never Changed Her Name ?
This is How Catholics Think.... They are Deranged and Deluted with their OWN Personal Self MADE Rules and Man made Carnal LAWs of LIES.
And Jesus and John ,... These MEN never had their NAME Changed.--------- Based on Catholic theology, Jesus and John are a Lower Status than Peter. Because God Changes the NAMES of the PEOPLE that He Sets up to have SUPERIORITY, Dominion, Power and status - over YOU.
IN fact Jesus declared “” Mat 16:19 “; I will give to U..{ Peter} Keys TO the kingdom of heaven:.] That ] That whatsoever u bind on earth is BOUND in heaven: and whatsoever u will loose on earth is loosed in heaven.
SUDDENLY HERE NOW In the SAME CHAPTER…we find Jesus HAVING departed from Galilee, to Judaea beyond Jordan “; And great multitudes followed him
Here, now ! just Days later--- Jesus is - NOW - DECLARING to a whole/ great multitude in Mat. 18 jUST a Couple Days Later
2 WHOLE CHAPTERS DOWN….CH. 18 …now DAYS LATER…- here THESE VERY, VERY, VERY SAME exact SAME KEYS “;
Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven [ meaning’] 19 = That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing in MY NAME I will be in their MIDST….THESE..ARE THE KEYS…..[
Jesus name * faith in Him ALONE,, SOLA … is these KEYS… jESUS Gave these KEYS of BINDING and LOOSING in His Name, to All Believers,
Also the 12 Sons of jACOB,/ Israel.--- Will Have their NAME Written on 12 Gates in Heaven.. Why Did God not Chang their Names,
REMEMBER.. As Christians. We do not Follow the IDEAS and OPINIONS of Peter and Paul. We are not Interested in the Words of Peter.
The Ideas of Paul mean nothing., But the Spirit that Inspired their Writings......... the Holy Spirit.
Peters Words are Worthless......... Pauls Ideas are meaningless. The Words of MAN. Have no Effect on the Christian.
But to the Catholic. The Words of MAN..... Are Over and CORRECT.---- the Word of God.
Catholics are Proven to be Liars.
Absolute truth!

With the Roman Catholics the pope tells a lie and hundreds, perhaps hundreds of thousands, will swear to it. The spiritually blind leading the spiritually blind! This has been going on since Constantine. Finally, when the Roman Empire fell it ultimately became the Roman Catholic church which is a combination of Christianity plus all the pagan religions within the Roman Empire.
Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#525611 Mar 30, 2014
OldJG wrote:
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Luke was a doctor and a prolific writer.
Tango Bravo said, quote. "The Jewish Canon of what we call the OT was established after Jesus died." End quote.
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So when Jesus quoted Scripture from where did He quote? It wasn't the Old Testament? If not, from what?
Look up the definition of "Canon".

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#525612 Mar 30, 2014
Please Read My Post #|
#525607

.. in the book of Act 26:14 we hear JESUS speaking to PAUL out of the heavens.

Paul said I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue,

JESUS SPOKE IN HEBREW, Not the Catholic jUNK Language of ARAMIAC.

They Use it to Pervert.,

Since: Mar 14

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#525613 Mar 30, 2014
Thank You (--------- OldJG.

And Thank You Catholics For Reading My Posts too.

l Love You all. Bye.. Ill Catch up Next Week,
Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#525614 Mar 30, 2014
OldJG wrote:
The process of canonization occurred between 200 BC and 200 AD, and a popular position is that the Torah was canonized c. 400 BC.
Tango Bravo, did Jesus die before 400 BC? LOL LOL LOL
Another Roman full of himself and corrupt Roman theology.
The Torah is only the first five books of the Hebrew Canon. Reliable sources put the completion of the entire Hebrew Canon at the end of the second century AD or perhaps even later (Neusner, Judaism and Christianity in the Age of Constantine).

Jesus is generally thought to have died around 33 AD. The exact date is unknown.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#525615 Mar 30, 2014
Liam wrote:
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Each copyist had to trust that the person before him grammatically copied it right.. Not a real problem until you try and copy it in a different language to articulate it to a different people using their language in their culture. I think the oldest Christian Bible on record dates form the 4th century. This is hundreds of yrs after the Apostles wrote. It doesn't quite resemble any Bible we have today. It's missing many words and phrases as well as new words and phrases. None the less, it's still the word of God, and yes, it contains the 7 Books that Luther later removed. Rose, you can't simply believe that your Bible is correct, unless you acknowledge that the Catholic Church had to have copied it correctly, guided by the Holy Spirit grammatically, but not in interpretations. The latter takes allot of guts to believe. Allot of wishful thinking would need to go into that.
Here is a link to an interesting article:
www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/06/ancient.b...
You Said the manuscripts and copies were gone...then you said they copied..FROM WHAT??

Making no sense.

..the Canon was put together BEFORE Rome assumed hierarchy..it was the CHURCH ES leaders who decided..

Much was,considered scripture before they decided.....

What Did they copy if as you say there WERE NO WRITINGS......

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