Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 686022 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#504525 Jan 6, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Then why don't you study and find out which one is correct, just a thought.
I have studied, and that is why I believe that all religious preachers are full of hot air.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#504526 Jan 6, 2014
I am convinced that the only reason Catholics and Protestants believe in Jesus, is because they are certain he was one of the WISE Jews that chose to LEAVE Judaism.

If Christians thought that he had remained faithful TO Judaism, they would not have believe in his supposed image ... EVER. Not even for ONE moment.
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#504528 Jan 6, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
Final part,
(11) It reveals that the great apostasy would have one who claimed to take the place of God. II Thessalonians 2:3-4 says, "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."
After reading the above passages, it is abundantly clear why Catholics endeavor to destroy the Bible as the only authority in religion today.
How about you just provide a verse that shows the Bible is the ONLY authority in Christianity. I know its profitable, that's not what I'm asking. Show me where Christ establishes the Bible and the list of books we should have put into it.
Thanks.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504529 Jan 6, 2014
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to lack reading comprehension, so here, try again:
"Now if you had studied the history of your book of lies, you would have known that the word "Hell" is a made up word, that they just added wherever the church leaders thought might be fitting. It was a made up place to add even more FEAR to their FEAR mongering brainwashing.Why do so many weak minded people fall for this lie, without even questioning it?"
Ahh no I don't

The fact that you repeat yourself makes you more of a fool.
The fact you don't address the fact all words are made up shows you have no knowledge to that which you assert.

I know the Greek and Hebrew words translated Hell in he Bible.
I know the fact that we have now some 7000+ ancient texts that confirm nothing has been added to the bible which completely contradicts your dumb dumb assertions.

Unlike you I can give verifiable evidence to my assertions.

You repeating yourself is like a grade school child repeating them self saying

I know you are but what am I
I know you are but what am I

If that is the best you got you are between a rock and hard place.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#504530 Jan 6, 2014
The disgruntled Jews were in a conundrum.

They wanted to start a new religion ... but if they claimed that a Jewish messiah was coming to "correct" the wayward Jews, that meant they would have to "obey" the Jewish rabbis that were already practicing Judaism.

So in order to start a new break-away religion, they had to create an image of a Jew that would become disgruntled with Judaism and in turn desire to start, or to join a new religion.

And presto ... the myth of Jesus was born in the minds of the disgruntled Jews. They created his image in writing as a Jewish rabbi, who through time became very disillusioned with Judaism, and because he was so very disillusioned, he decided to be baptized into Catholicism by the Catholic saint John the Baptist in the river Jordon.

And so it came to pass that that particular group of disgruntled Jews became known as Catholic popes, who yearned to make all other people of the world into Catholic-"followers. "

The ongoing religious programming has morphed many times and probably will continue to morph ... as humans were and are determined to mentally create the mindsets of the gods to in turn align with their own human mindsets.

The disgruntled Jew-story is just one among many concerning the male-created plot of how to start a new religion.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504531 Jan 6, 2014
Seentheotherside wrote:
<quoted text>
NO!
The bible does NOT use other words for "hell". You are only lied to, that they mean "hell", but they really do not mean "hell".
Don't you ever question their lies?
you might get a little further if you offer some verifiable evidence to your accusations.

Anybody can call something a lie.

The question that must be asked is have you ever questioned your LIES

Apparently not.
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#504532 Jan 6, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> The New Testament was written more quickly than the Old Testament—it was completed within half a century. This means that all the books were completed, copied, and distributed before AD 100. In fact by AD 95, a letter written by Clement of Rome (an early church father who may have been a student of Paul) shows the influence of Matthew, Luke, Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Timothy, Titus, and Peter—a sign that the books were well known and circulated within the early church. The Catholic church tells their members not to study the bible as it's to complicated to understand, this was their technique on keeping people in the dark from the real truth of the bible. They would tell the members to ask their priest who has the ability to understand the bible to tell you whatever you needed to know, more like what they wanted you to know. Do you deny this practice went on and still does in the Catholic church?
Why is it critical for you to bear false witness, in order to have a religion?
The Catholic Church does NOT tell us to NOT study the Bible. Do you just make crap up cuz it sounds good? The Church has bible study. I still have the Bible I was given in 5th grade religion class at a Catholic school. It was given to us to study. I swear every cult member I converse with is nothing but an ignorant bigot.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504533 Jan 6, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Mt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mt 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
FYI

The word in the Greek translated Hell here was the Greek word used for the Garbage dump outside Jerusalem where there was a constant fire burning the garbage, the stench was horrible.

Later in the NT when it refers to Hell it talks up the smoke that is constantly rising up from it.

The NT uses the Jerusalem Garbage dump as a metaphor to Hell.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#504534 Jan 6, 2014
I suggest that Martin Luther became very disgruntled with being a Catholic monk who in turn was not allowed to marry the nun on whom he placed his lustful devotion.

It was a stroke of mental good "fortune" that he came up with the idea of telling other members of clergy what they wanted to hear and what in turn would allow them also to marry the women after which they lusted.

Of course back then, homosexuals weren't allowed to live, much less to marry each other, so they couldn't marry. But Martin had a good thing going for HIM.

He married his ex-nun,as he encouraged her to break her Catholic vows ... AND he became the prestigious leader of a new religion.

It doesn't GET much cozier, or handier than that. And he played both sides to the middle by using the same bible.

Now THAT was a cunning man, who knew how to juggle "truth" as he saw it ... at any "con"venient moment.
michael

Canada

#504535 Jan 6, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
FYI
The word in the Greek translated Hell here was the Greek word used for the Garbage dump outside Jerusalem where there was a constant fire burning the garbage, the stench was horrible.
Later in the NT when it refers to Hell it talks up the smoke that is constantly rising up from it.
The NT uses the Jerusalem Garbage dump as a metaphor to Hell.
.......so all those not as worthy as liam/hojo are going to end up in the garbage dump just outside Jerusalem when our days are done?.........that's just great!(Iol)!

Hell is closer than I thought!
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504536 Jan 6, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Church who gathered, edited, and produced the Bible, couldn't be the 'church of the Bible'? Sigh.
Enough with your forced dumbness. There already is a Church of Christ. Your sect is unknown and can be loosely traced to the 19th century. Your not the "church of the Bible" because:
A) you don't have all the Bible. You are missing 7 Books and a couple chapters from Daniel.
B) The Bible wasn't compiled until the 4th century.
C) The Bible didn't become readily available until 1452 AD, when the Catholic Church printed it for the first time.
There is no Historical evidence that the RCC existed as you refer to her till the 11th century at the great Schism.
You know when the Pope of Rome split from the Eastern half of the Catholic church.

The Historical evidence
The writings of early church fathers
The explicit teachings of the Bible

All show the Church is to be governed by a plurality of leaders, elders, bishops.
Remember the word the RCC uses for pope in the Greek simply meant elders.

It is Rome that gave it a novel biblical meaning some 1000 years later.

Do you know that which Rome considered the Pope of the day did not even attend the Council of Nicea and when that council made its declarations it was by on vote for each Bishop pope present, there were some 325 present.

The Bible by the way was quoted by early church fathers as scripture in their individual writings so much that just from their writings alone we can recreate 98% of the NT and this was before any council confirmed them as such.

The 7 books you refer to were never scripture until the council of trent in the 16th century and even the RCC says this is true. I can give you the references from New Advent if you wish.

Truth matters you have not studied history in the slightness you simply regurgitate RCC propaganda

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#504537 Jan 6, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
So, we have evidence of your literary theft:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TV910R5...
And of you admitting to posting under another poster's moniker:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TV910R5...
And now accusing me of lying without the ability to back it up.
Don't project your dishonesty on me, child.
Hogwash....Lying Snake.....go hiss with your ilk....
michael

Canada

#504538 Jan 6, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I suggest that within THE FRAMEWORK OF THE THEOLOGY the truth would be that Jesus and all the other Jews would have stayed faithful to Judaism.
Believes in and practices a religion for 33 years that doesn't believe in him so a few rogue Jews steal Jesus away from the belief he loved, starts a new religion. With no plan of operation and no rules and regulations' no structure of authority.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504539 Jan 6, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the church-fathers ... the first Catholics were already an established group of believers when Jesus decided to join them in the river Jordon to be baptized as a Catholic by the supposed Catholic saint John the Baptist.
I suggest that you stop implying that "Jesus" started your religion and others followed, as that was not the picture painted by your church-fathers.
Yeeks what a load of ........

How about you give us the Church Fathers you are referring to with quotes that can be verified?

Standing by I have a complete set of the early church Fathers.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#504540 Jan 6, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Are you implying that any church you go to is ok? In order to be saved you must worship in spirit and in truth, and in doing this would mean that your church is in one accord with the bible, right? Would your church be worshipping in spirit and in truth if you baptized infants in your church? Would your church be worshipping in spirit and in truth if they took the Lord's supper once a year instead of every Lord's day as the bible says to, please let me know what your answer is on these questions.
The subject of this thread is the definition of "church" in Mt 16:18...which you will not acknowledge because it reveals your blatant lies...

And you are still comparing potatoes to apples!!!!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#504541 Jan 6, 2014
Norman Lewis

Lewis didn't share the modern belief that the human animal is improving, so he didn't look forward to any better time. Nor did he have any faith in a higher power. In an interview towards the end of his life, he declared he believed in "absolutely nothing". He also described himself as being "exceedingly happy". Wisely, he didn't believe in belief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25561810
Liam

Melrose Park, IL

#504542 Jan 6, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no Historical evidence that the RCC existed as you refer to her till the 11th century at the great Schism.
You know when the Pope of Rome split from the Eastern half of the Catholic church.
The Historical evidence
The writings of early church fathers
The explicit teachings of the Bible
All show the Church is to be governed by a plurality of leaders, elders, bishops.
Remember the word the RCC uses for pope in the Greek simply meant elders.
It is Rome that gave it a novel biblical meaning some 1000 years later.
Do you know that which Rome considered the Pope of the day did not even attend the Council of Nicea and when that council made its declarations it was by on vote for each Bishop pope present, there were some 325 present.
The Bible by the way was quoted by early church fathers as scripture in their individual writings so much that just from their writings alone we can recreate 98% of the NT and this was before any council confirmed them as such.
The 7 books you refer to were never scripture until the council of trent in the 16th century and even the RCC says this is true. I can give you the references from New Advent if you wish.
Truth matters you have not studied history in the slightness you simply regurgitate RCC propaganda
If you didn't bore me so much, I would expose you for being an ignorant liar again. Since I already did that a few months ago and can see you obviously ignored it, I'll let you continue worshiping our Bible in peace. You'll stand before God just like me one day.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Delta, Canada

#504543 Jan 6, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeeks what a load of ........
How about you give us the Church Fathers you are referring to with quotes that can be verified?
Standing by I have a complete set of the early church Fathers.
From the quotes of the church-fathers that vilified the Jews as being enemies of Jesus, I wrote my own story.

If you have a better one, by all means have at it.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#504544 Jan 6, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Church who gathered, edited, and produced the Bible, couldn't be the 'church of the Bible'? Sigh.
Enough with your forced dumbness. There already is a Church of Christ. Your sect is unknown and can be loosely traced to the 19th century. Your not the "church of the Bible" because:
A) you don't have all the Bible. You are missing 7 Books and a couple chapters from Daniel.
B) The Bible wasn't compiled until the 4th century.
C) The Bible didn't become readily available until 1452 AD, when the Catholic Church printed it for the first time.
You are still of track by 180 degrees:

Jos 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

The reason the Catholics hid the Bible from from the public (burned some to the stake when caught reading it), was to keep them "in the dark."....when Luther posted his points of contention on the door.....they kicked him out....and all because he wanted to discuss these points....thank God for Luther
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504545 Jan 6, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
So in the middle 2nd century, 22 of the 27 NT books were named?
Lol you just proved sola scripture was impossible. If it was the will of the Lord, he'd surely supply us with a list, and it wouldn't have took a hundred yrs for His truth to arrive. And why did you quote our Catholic Church fathers?
Frist the early catholic church fathers were not roman catholic church fathers.

You don't even know how when and why the word catholic is used in reference to believers in Christ Jesus

Second not one book of the NT was needed for the Bereans to practice the principal of sola scriptoria when they searched the scriptures to test if what Paul was teaching to be true they simply used the scriptures that had been revealed to them at that time.

You make all these straw men
You don't need the scriptures that will be revealed in the future to practice the biblical teaching of Sola scriptoria.

Notice to the the Bereans did not need a Pope or a Infallible body of governance to tell them how to divide the word.
Notice the Bereans were of more Noble character for doing so according to Apostle Paul and praises them for there actions and does not condemn them as does the RCC today.

10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

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