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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683812 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502497 Dec 27, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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June
Somehow I think YOU believe in the cruelty of popes, more than I.
I agree!

But then, if you viewed the issues the way I view them, you would STILL be an Atheist.
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Robert F wrote:
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Greetings June
It is fear that makes the KNOW. Fear of death, and fear of hell, and fear of not making it to heaven.....Religion is based on fear....
Robert
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502498 Dec 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
When you want to see the word-manipulation ... you WILL see!
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From the book "The History Of Christianity ... The Church from the Reformation to the Present, Volume 2, by Clyde L. Manschreck ... comes the following.

The Millenary Petition, 1603

This petition, supposedly representing a thousand Puritans, was presented to James I on his way to London. He granted a conference the following year, authorized a new version of the scriptures, and made a few concessions, but he insisted on conformity to the Prayer Book, which was only slightly changed.(Gee and Hardy, Documents Illistrative of English Church History. Cf. Fuller, Church History of Britain.)

Meanwhile, a fresh form of Protestant authoritarianism was emerging in the person of John Calvin (1509-1564)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502499 Dec 27, 2013
Philosophizing-(theologians) changes the supposed creator's rules at every turn of thought that circles around in their own over-active imaginations.

The road of religion is long and nasty, as right-fighters kept on their killing sprees concerning the issue of who the creator was giving the truth and who was spreading lies.

I suggest that those men were ALL spreading lies based on nothing other than their own imaginations.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502500 Dec 27, 2013
Back in the middle ages,(as but one example) it was not safe to claim a belief that there was no creator.

A simple statement such as that would make devout believers in all religions (that claimed to comprehend the meaning of "God's" love)... go into a frame of mind ... to want to kill.

Anything that was believed to offend "God" ... was apt to send devout believers on a killing-spree.

What a shame!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502501 Dec 27, 2013
While conversing with a friend about the physical make-up of women, I asked my friend what women had ever done to deserve to give off odors of rotten fish when they didn't keep their vagina area spiffy clean.

In jest, the immediate response was ... "Punishment!"

:)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502502 Dec 27, 2013
Every group of believers had their own TAKE on what they were certain the "creator" wanted OTHERS to believe.
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From the book,“History of Christianity,” by Clyde L. Manschreck … comes the following ……..

One influence on Spener came from the followers of Jean de Labadie (1610-74), the Labadists, a communistically organized pietistic group that sought to appropriate the teachings of the Bible through the immediate inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Labadie , a French ex-Jesuit, joined the Reformed Church in 1650 and later withdrew to organize the followers attracted to his preaching along the Rhine river. They rejected infant baptism, seldom celebrated the Lord’s Supper, held property in common, worked as manual laborers, and said marriage with an unregenerate person was not binding.
StarC

Fairfield, CA

#502503 Dec 27, 2013
In the nine months since he became pope, Francis has generated global excitement among Catholics, and others, with his humble demeanor and his shift in tone from the more strident papacy of his predecessor, Benedict XVI, whose resignation in February stunned the Catholic world.
Francis has regularly attracted huge crowds in Vatican City, and almost overnight he has emerged as a major figure on the global stage, surprising many Catholics with his nonjudgmental tone on issues like homosexuality and divorce, and his focus on the plight of the world’s poor. He has also been unpredictable, telephoning ordinary people who have written him letters, embracing a badly disfigured man at St. Peter’s and making unannounced visits in Rome.
He proved unpredictable again on Wednesday, when he went off script to include atheists in his call for peace, rare for a Catholic leader.
“I invite even nonbelievers to desire peace,” he said.“Let us all unite, either with prayer or with desire, but everyone, for peace.”
Yes, the atheist detail is interesting and deserves to be included. But what was The Big Idea in this Francis text (found here, in the English translation)?
Back to the peace theme. Pope Francis mentions violence in several key parts of the world, with special attention to the hell that is unfolding in Syria. Here is the Times summary of that material:
Francis broadened his peace message to call for an end to violence in Syria, as well as in the Central African Republic, where Christians and Muslims have clashed in a country that he described as “often forgotten and overlooked.” He cited the rising tensions and violence in South Sudan, calling for “social harmony,” and he asked for a “favorable outcome” to peace talks between the Palestinians and the Israelis. He also renewed his focus on the plight of migrants, some the victims of human trafficking, others fleeing war and poverty to try to reach Europe.
Interesting. But where was the pope going with all of this content? Yes, peace is the big theme, but notice the very first item in this concluding litany:
Lord of life, protect all who are persecuted for your name. Grant hope and consolation to the displaced and refugees, especially in the Horn of Africa and in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Grant that migrants in search of a dignified life may find acceptance and assistance. May tragedies like those we have witnessed this year, with so many deaths at Lampedusa, never occur again!
Child of Bethlehem, touch the hearts of all those engaged in human trafficking, that they may realize the gravity of this crime against humanity. Look upon the many children who are kidnapped, wounded and killed in armed conflicts, and all those who are robbed of their childhood and forced to become soldiers.
Lord of heaven and earth, look upon our planet, frequently exploited by human greed and rapacity. Help and protect all the victims of natural disasters, especially the beloved people of the Philippines, gravely affected by the recent typhoon.
Dear brothers and sisters, today, in this world, in this humanity, is born the Saviour, who is Christ the Lord. Let us pause before the Child of Bethlehem. Let us allow our hearts to be touched, let us not fear this. Let us not fear that our hearts be moved. We need this! Let us allow ourselves to be warmed by the tenderness of God; we need his caress. God’s caresses do not harm us. They give us peace and strength. We need his caresses. God is full of love: to him be praise and glory forever! God is peace: let us ask him to help us to be peacemakers each day, in our life, in our families, in our cities and nations, in the whole world. Let us allow ourselves to be moved by God’s goodness.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2013...
StarC

Fairfield, CA

#502504 Dec 27, 2013
Liam wrote:
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The Bible Kay. The Apostles didn't write the NT until 20- 40 yrs after the resurrection. And only a few of them wrote.
Too bad for the Greeks, Indians and Persians because Andrew, Thomas and Jude (Thaddaeus) didn't have any copies of Pauls letters when they traveled. I wonder how long it took for those they taught to actually receive the 'word of God'.
Bartholomew is thought to have gone to Armenia; James the Greater to Spain. No copies of the NT, no Bible verse's to hand out to the folks. No word of God!
What about Simon the Zealot, Philip and Matthias?
History and archaeology shows what these men did. They set up a Catholic Church and hierarchy. Ok, some are now Orthodox if you are unable to utter 'Catholic'. Either way, they taught the Mass, Eucharist, Confession and Apostolic succession.
source: National Geographic, March 2012 edition.
Worth a repost!
Merry Christmas Clay

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502505 Dec 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Any master manipulator of words ....such as you self that has created your own
demonic theology should know all about deleting and diluting and deceiving...
in you relentless attempting to destroy the faith of believers ...in GOD
You avoided the subject of how you aim to use the word-manipulation of King James I to in turn destroy the faith Catholics have in the ORIGINAL new testament.

You are see-through, as was King James I, when he plagiarized the new testament of the Catholics to create his version of the supposed creator's "truth."

Religion is all mythical BUNK!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502506 Dec 27, 2013
StarC wrote:
In the nine months since he became pope, Francis has generated global excitement among Catholics
It doesn't TAKE much for a leader of lies to excite followers.

It's common practice ... albeit NOT common "knowledge."

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#502507 Dec 27, 2013
StarC wrote:
In the nine months since he became pope, Francis has generated global excitement among Catholics, and others, with his humble demeanor and his shift in tone from the more strident papacy of his predecessor, Benedict XVI, whose resignation in February stunned the Catholic world.
Francis has regularly attracted huge crowds in Vatican City, and almost overnight he has emerged as a major figure on the global stage, surprising many Catholics with his nonjudgmental tone on issues like homosexuality and divorce, and his focus on the plight of the world’s poor. He has also been unpredictable, telephoning ordinary people who have written him letters, embracing a badly disfigured man at St. Peter’s and making unannounced visits in Rome.
He proved unpredictable again on Wednesday, when he went off script to include atheists in his call for peace, rare for a Catholic leader.
“I invite even nonbelievers to desire peace,” he said.“Let us all unite, either with prayer or with desire, but everyone, for peace.”
Yes, the atheist detail is interesting and deserves to be included. But what was The Big Idea in this Francis text (found here, in the English translation)?
Back to the peace theme. Pope Francis mentions violence in several key parts of the world, with special attention to the hell that is unfolding in Syria. Here is the Times summary of that material:
Francis broadened his peace message to call for an end to violence in Syria, as well as in the Central African Republic, where Christians and Muslims have clashed in a country that he described as “often forgotten and overlooked.” He cited the rising tensions and violence in South Sudan, calling for “social harmony,” and he asked for a “favorable outcome” to peace talks between the Palestinians and the Israelis. He also renewed his focus on the plight of migrants, some the victims of human trafficking, others fleeing war and poverty to try to reach Europe.
Interesting. But where was the pope going with all of this content? Yes, peace is the big theme, but notice the very first item in this concluding litany:
Lord of life, protect all who are persecuted for your name. Grant hope and consolation to the displaced and refugees, especially in the Horn of Africa and in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Grant that migrants in search of a dignified life may find acceptance and assistance. May tragedies like those we have witnessed this year, with so many deaths at Lampedusa, never occur again!
Child of Bethlehem, touch the hearts of all those engaged in human trafficking, that they may realize the gravity of this crime against humanity. Look upon the many children who are kidnapped, wounded and killed in armed conflicts, and all those who are robbed of their childhood and forced to become soldiers.
Lord of heaven and earth, look upon our planet, frequently exploited by human greed and rapacity. Help and protect all the victims of natural disasters, especially the beloved people of the Philippines, gravely affected by ses. God is full of love: to him be praise and glory forever! God is peace: let us ask him to help us to be peacemakers each day, in our life, in our families, in our cities and nations, in the whole world. Let us allow ourselves to be moved by God’s goodness.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2013...
Good message ...And still in this,modern age NOT ONE REPORT ..of
Holy family from.A Nativity Scene ..nor Christian onlookers...getting up.And grabbing any atheist or other person. And making them pray ...how,about them.Apple's ..see my post from...yesterday ....about that sign any all the so called offended people ....

And I'll bet more charitable contributions,to feed and clothe the poor than any other TIMe of the year !!!!

God bless us,every one

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#502508 Dec 27, 2013
StarC wrote:
In the nine months since he became pope, Francis has generated global excitement among Catholics, and others, with his humble demeanor and his shift in tone from the more strident papacy of his predecessor, Benedict XVI, whose resignation in February stunned the Catholic world.
Francis has regularly attracted huge crowds in Vatican City, and almost overnight he has emerged as a major fig....edited
Child of Bethlehem, touch the hearts of all those engaged in human trafficking, that they may realize the gravity of this crime against humanity. Look upon the many children who are kidnapped, wounded and killed in armed conflicts, and all those who are robbed of their childhood and forced to become soldiers.
Lord of heaven and earth, look upon our planet, frequently exploited by human greed and rapacity. Help and protect all the victims of natural disasters, especially the beloved people of the Philippines, gravely affected by ses. God is full of love: to him be praise and glory forever! God is peace: let us ask him to help us to be peacemakers each day, in our life, in our families, in our cities and nations, in the whole world. Let us allow ourselves to be moved by God’s goodness.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2013...
Good message ...And still in this,modern age NOT ONE REPORT ..of
Holy family from.A Nativity Scene ..nor Christian onlookers...getting up.And grabbing any atheist or other person. And making them pray ...how,about them.Apple's ..see my post from...yesterday ....about that sign any all the so called offended people ....

And I'll bet more charitable contributions,to feed and clothe the poor than any other TIMe of the year !!!!

God bless us,every one
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502509 Dec 27, 2013
Yom Kippur

Yom Kippur (Hebrew: &#1497;&#1493;&#14 65;&#1501; &#1499;&#1460;&#14 68;&#1508;&#1468;& #1493;&#1468;&#1512;, IPA:[&#712;jom ki&#712;pu&#641;], or &#1497;&#1493;&#15 01; &#1492;&#1499;&#14 97;&#1508;&#1493;& #1512;&#1497;&#1501;), also known as Day of Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jewish people.[1] Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Jewish people traditionally observe this holy day with an approximate 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer, often spending most of the day in synagogue services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur
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Christmas is the day celebrated by Christians, in the belief that the wise man Jesus was born, and that he was wise because he later turned away from Judaism to sponsor the Catholic religion as the only religion on earth to preach truth.

Of course after the Catholics, many other split-minded people claimed that Jesus followed only THEIR ways of believing in their morphed away from Catholicism religions.

So both the Jews and the Christians have their supposed "holy days" ... albeit for totally different reasons.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502510 Dec 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Good message ...And still in this,modern age NOT ONE REPORT ..of
Holy family from.A Nativity Scene ..nor Christian onlookers...getting up.And grabbing any atheist or other person. And making them pray ...how,about them.Apple's ..see my post from...yesterday ....about that sign any all the so called offended people ....
And I'll bet more charitable contributions,to feed and clothe the poor than any other TIMe of the year !!!!
God bless us,every one
If you had been born before Christianity existed, chances are you would have been equally as devout in Judaism's practice of Yom kippur as worthy of all your FAITH.
StarC

Fairfield, CA

#502511 Dec 27, 2013
« The Dramatic and Final Words of the Old Testament. A fitting close to the Advent Season
Why is Christmas Celebrated Mainly at Night?
By: Msgr. Charles Pope
O Holy night! Yes, a silent night! and, it came upon a midnight clear. Christmas, it would seem, is a festival of the mid night. Jesus is born when it is dark, dark midnight. We are sure of it. And why not?
Even though we are not told the exact hour of his birth we are sure it must have been night. Scripture does say that the Shepherds who heard the glad tidings were keeping watch over their flock “by night”(cf Luke 2:9). Further the Magi sought him by the light of a star, and stars are seen at night, deep midnight. None of this is evidence that Jesus was born at 11:59 PM, but it sets our clocks for night, deep midnight.
Add to this the fact that Christmas is celebrated at the Winter solstice, the very darkest time of the year in the northern hemisphere. More specifically Christmas breaks in on the very days that the light begins its subtle return. The darkest and shortest days of the year make their impression on December 21 and 22. But by December 23 and 24 we notice a definite, but subtle trend, the days are getting longer, the light is returning! Time to celebrate the return of the light, it is going to be alright!
How fitting now, to celebrate the birth of Jesus, the true Light of the World, in a deep and dark December. Jesus our light, kindles a light and a fire that never dies away. Indeed, in the dark hours of December, we have noticed a trend. The light is returning, the darkness is abating, the days are growing longer from here on out. It is subtle now! But it will grow. And with the return of light, we celebrate our True Light: Jesus.
But light is best appreciated in contrast. We think most, and appreciate most, the glory of light when the darkness assails. There’s just something about Christmas Eve. As the time approaches through December, and the darkness grows, we light lights. Yes, all through December as the darkness grows, we light Advent candles, more as it grows darkest! Even the secular among us string lights in dark December, in malls, on their houses, as if to say, the darkness cannot win, the light conquers!
And lights have their true glory in contrast the darkness. Who sees the stars in mid day? And who appreciates the beauty of light until they have experienced the darkness? Yes, Christmas is a feast of the light. We confront the darkness of December and declare to it:“Your deepest days are over, the light is returning.” And for us of faith, we say to a world in ever deeper darkness,“Your darkness cannot remain. It wil be overcome and replaced.” For though darkness has its season, it is always conquered by the light.

Continue
StarC

Fairfield, CA

#502512 Dec 27, 2013
Continue part 2
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An atheist recently scoffed at me on the com box of this blog that our day is over, the world has rejected faith… Sorry dear Atheist friend, the light always wins. On December 22, the darkness recedes, the light returns and all darkness is scattered. It seems subtle at first, but the light always returns, the darkness cannot last.
Light has a way of simply replacing the darkness. In three months the equinox (equal night and day) occurs, and in six months the summer solstice (the longest day) comes. And the darkness will once again seek to conquer. BUT IT ALWAYS LOSES. The light will return. Jesus is always born at the hour of darkness’ greatest moment. Just when the darkness is celebrating most, it’s hour is over, the light dawns again.
Yes we celebrate after sundown on December 24, in accord with a tradition going back to Jewish times that our Feasts begin at sundown the night before. Christmas morning is almost an afterthought. Most pastors know, the majority of their people have come the “night” before. In a deep and dark December, a light comes forth, a star, shines in the heavens.
We gather, in and on a dark night. We smile. We are moved by the cry of a small infant, by whose voice the heavens were made. His little cry lights up the night. The darkness must go, the light has come, day is at hand.
Yes, we celebrate at night to bid farewell to the darkness. It cannot prevail. It is destined to be scattered by the Light far more powerful than it, a Light it must obey, a Light that overwhelms and replaces it. Farewell to darkness, the Light of the World has come.
Jesus the light of the world.
The video below is a celebration of light. As a Christmas gift to myself on December 22nd, the darkest day of the year, I took an afternoon off and went to photograph the triumph of light over darkness. I went to a Mausoleum, Yes, to a place where thousands are buried in the walls. But also in those walls are windows, glorious windows where light breaks through, and Christ shines forth. Some of the most beautiful stained glass in the city of Washington resides in that place of death and darkness. The light breaks through and it speaks of Christ.
This video is a testimony to just some of those windows (I am putting together another video of other windows to be shown later). In this place, a place of death, a light breaks through, the light of faith, the Light of Christ. The text of the music in this video is from Taize, and it says, Christe lux mundi, qui sequitur te, habebit lumen vitae, lumen vitae (Christ, Light of the World! Who follows you has the light of life, the light of life).
As you view this video of the Life of Christ, ponder that stained glass begins as opaque sand. But when subject to, and purified by the fire, it radiates the glory of light which can now shine through it. So it is for us. Born in darkness, but purified by Christ and the Fire of the Spirit, we begin to radiate his many splendored Light shining through us, to a dark world.
The Light always wins."
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502513 Dec 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Good message ...And still in this,modern age NOT ONE REPORT ..of
Holy family from.A Nativity Scene ..nor Christian onlookers...getting up.And grabbing any atheist or other person. And making them pray ...how,about them.Apple's ..see my post from...yesterday ....about that sign any all the so called offended people ....
And I'll bet more charitable contributions,to feed and clothe the poor than any other TIMe of the year !!!!
God bless us,every one
Within Catholicized theology, Jesus didn't in any way whatsoever bless the Jews when he turned away from Judaism as a vile religion.

And following that adaptation, that would mean that the father god also no longer blessed the Jews for practicing Judaism.

Oh what a tangled web they weaved ... when theologians first deceived.
YTube

Marietta, GA

#502514 Dec 27, 2013
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The Day the Lord showed me ANTICHRIST ------

http://youtu.be/jnTwx5LprHI

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StarC

Fairfield, CA

#502515 Dec 27, 2013
Oops, above post from
http://www.patheos.com

Happy 3rd day of Christmas!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#502516 Dec 27, 2013
So the major question of theology concerning the Abrahamic religion ... IS ... "Which group of believers DOES the one god favor?

Is it Judaism ... Catholicism ... Gnosticism ... Islam ... OR ... Protestantism???

I suggest from past experience, that the personalized responses will be coming from who is telling which "version" of which personalized story.

However, it's common sense "within the 'bounds' of theology" from my perspective, that a god that once chose the Jews as his favorite few, wouldn't change his mind about such a "serious commitment."

tongue in cheek

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