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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 685704 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#501410 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
The theology states that the one and only Abrahamic deity Jehovah, or Adonai (depending on which scripture one reads) created both good and evil ... yet the cover of the bible only USES the word HOLY.
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Isaiah 45:7 ASV
American Standard Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.
Isaiah 45:7 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
I form light, I create darkness; I make well-being, I create woe; I, ADONAI, do all these things.
Once again, if one would only study they would know the answer to this question. God is incapable of creating evil as you and I know evil to be , which is thinking of ways to hurt or kill someone for reasons of one's desire. God's spirit being pure love which means he is 100% void of evil, which causes him not to be able to create evil. Just as cold is the absence of heat and darkness is the absence of light that to is the same with God. God in the past could use natural disasters to do his punishment on his foes, such as Tsunami, earthquake, or floods. This is the meaning of what is being said when God says he can create evil.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#501411 Dec 20, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>who cares if it's not the exact date? What did mo say with his child wife?
Most place His birth in the time of Passover ...as,far as I've read ..kind of was depressing ...first time I read it ..But it makes,senses the lamb came and died at PASSOVER

How it came to be Winter time ..well best left for debate ...winter solstice ROMANs etc..too much out there

Anyway this is,when we commemorate His birth ..so let's,do it in the Best way we can ..honoring the sacrifice made to become one of us,.

Can you imagine leaving your perfect home
.where He had no boundaries to His existence ..everything perfect ...All Powrful .
To suffer the indignity and restrictions,of birth and humanity..

Just hit me this,year ..what a sacrifice that just by itself was....And how much we owe OUR LORD

THANK GOD for His,mercy

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#501412 Dec 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
Salvation: Is Obedience to God Necessary?
So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead....You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:17,24
/
He that believeth "AND IS" baptized shall be saved, He that believeth not shall be damned." AND IS " means one with the other must be done in accordance, which means both are equally important and both must be done in order for this to be valid. The Catholic church from it's very beginning has never done what God commands, and this is the reason for them to be avoided at all cost, because being around them can cost you your soul. The Catholic church has deceived more people to lose there soul by how they deceive the people on understanding the bible, for instance, the Catholic church tells it's members not to worry what the bible says as it's to hard for the average person to comprehend it ,so they tell them that's what the priests are for, to read it to you so you wont be bothered by trying to figure out what it says, which is an out right lie. It is your duty to read it yourself and to never take what's being said to you without verifying what was said to be true. These are just a couple of ways the Catholic church deceives there members, so I urge you to go to the nearest Church of Christ and study your bible and then get baptized and know without a doubt that you are saved
marge

Leesburg, GA

#501413 Dec 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
Do you earn salvation? And if so, can it be lost?
The real issue at question is not one of Jesus' sacrifice being sufficient for our sins (which is very often the Protestant position) versus a saved person being justified in and of himself (which is a common Protestant view of Catholicism). Rather, the issue here is the Protestant belief of a purely extrinsic and legal act of God's judicial declaration that we are righteous because of the atoning death of Jesus Christ - without an internal change in those justified versus the Catholic teaching that there
is an internal transformation - Justification is by faith working through love.
Genuine faith is always active. It works through obedient love; otherwise, it is dead faith and has no value. "So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Indeed, someone might say.'You have faith and I have works.' Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works." (Jas 2:17-22)
By justification, God does not just declare us righteous, but He actually makes us righteous. "So whoever is in Christ is a new creation: the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come." (2 Cor 5:17) There are numerous passages in the Bible that use language that indicates an interior transformation by the removal of sin - Ps 51:1-2, Ps 103:2, Is 43:25, Jn 1:29, Jn 3:5, Ti 3:5, 1 Cor 6:11 and Eph 4:23
are but a few. By God's grace the interior transformation of justification makes us sons and daughters of God. Read 1 Jn 3:2, Rom 8:15 and Gal 4:5-7. The interior transformation of justification creates a dynamic personal relationship between the Heavenly Father and His children by uniting us to His Only-Begotten Son through the Holy Spirit.
The Catholic Church teaches that the "good works" of charity which are necessary for salvation (Jas 2:24) are preceded by God's grace, enlivened by God's grace and rewarded by God's grace. "For since Christ Jesus Himself, as the head into the members and the vine into the branches, continually infuses strength into those justified, which strength always precedes, accompanies and follows their good works, and without which they could not in any manner be pleasing and meritorious before God".(Council of Trent) Phil 2:12-13 reads: "So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work." And 1 Col 15:10 explains: "But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me has not been ineffective. Indeed, I have toiled harder than all of them; not I, however, but the grace of God [that is] with me." Therefore, every aspect of man's cooperation with 2 grace is itself a gift of God's grace. We are not the passive recipients of God's grace; rather, His grace enables us to freely cooperate with His grace.
cont.
). Rather, the issue here is the Protestant belief of a purely extrinsic and legal act of God's judicial declaration that we are righteous because of the atoning death of Jesus Christ - without an internal change in those justified versus the Catholic teaching that there
is an internal transformation - Justification is by faith working through love.

Not true Anthony, if there isn't an internal change then they were not born-anew.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#501414 Dec 20, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Most place His birth in the time of Passover ...as,far as I've read ..kind of was depressing ...first time I read it ..But it makes,senses the lamb came and died at PASSOVER
How it came to be Winter time ..well best left for debate ...winter solstice ROMANs etc..too much out there
Anyway this is,when we commemorate His birth ..so let's,do it in the Best way we can ..honoring the sacrifice made to become one of us,.
Can you imagine leaving your perfect home
.where He had no boundaries to His existence ..everything perfect ...All Powrful .
To suffer the indignity and restrictions,of birth and humanity..
Just hit me this,year ..what a sacrifice that just by itself was....And how much we owe OUR LORD
THANK GOD for His,mercy
Have you read 'killing Jesus' by bill oreiley? I haven't but plan to.
Chess

Columbus, OH

#501415 Dec 20, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> He that believeth "AND IS" baptized shall be saved, He that believeth not shall be damned." AND IS " means one with the other must be done in accordance, which means both are equally important and both must be done in order for this to be valid. The Catholic church from it's very beginning has never done what God commands, and this is the reason for them to be avoided at all cost, because being around them can cost you your soul. The Catholic church has deceived more people to lose there soul by how they deceive the people on understanding the bible, for instance, the Catholic church tells it's members not to worry what the bible says as it's to hard for the average person to comprehend it ,so they tell them that's what the priests are for, to read it to you so you wont be bothered by trying to figure out what it says, which is an out right lie. It is your duty to read it yourself and to never take what's being said to you without verifying what was said to be true. These are just a couple of ways the Catholic church deceives there members, so I urge you to go to the nearest Church of Christ and study your bible and then get baptized and know without a doubt that you are saved
You realize you are quoting from a late addition to Mark. The original text stops at 16:8.

Just saying....
Jumper The Wise

Morgantown, KY

#501416 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Many times I watched preachers on these threads state the words "Jesus rebukes you!"
Stupid people!!!
'Oh' there you are!

Hey June,I don't know if that is your real name,but every year at this time I make a silent donnation to a charity this year for the heck of it I gave $25 American to the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews in your name!

You should be proud to know it will go to buy an emergency food box for a needy Jewish family.

Maybe in a way its a new beginning for you.NO! For all of us.

Since: Dec 11

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#501417 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
According to your DIVINE assessment ... was your idol, Catholic SAINT John Chrysostom, the rabid Jew-hater, one of them???
You know virtually nothing re Chrysostom.You haven't read his commentaries. You have not studied his role in the development of the Church. You are not familiar with his theological arguments.yet you know one thing- which is already well known-i e he made antisemitic comments. This is supposed to dispel everything else re Chrysostom.If this is how you formulate your judgments on issues,it basically amounts to searching for anything negative about good and throw it out thinking the force of it will blunt out people's capacity to think,..

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#501418 Dec 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
Do you earn salvation? And if so, can it be lost?
The real issue at question is not one of Jesus' sacrifice being sufficient for ather, the issue here is the Protestant belief of a purely rnal change in those justified versus the Catholic teaching that there
is an internal transformation - Justification is by faith working through love.
Genuine faith is always active. It works through obedient love; otherwise, it is dead faith and has no value. "So also faith of itself, if it does not have wor..........ted by the works." (Jas 2:17-22)
By justification, God does not just declare us righteous, but He actually makes us righteous. "So whoever is in Christ is a new creation: the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come." (2 Cor 5:17) There are numerous passages in the Bible that use language that indicates an interior transformation by the removal of sin - Ps 51:1-2, Ps 103:2, Is 43:25, Jn 1:29, Jn 3:5, Ti 3:5, 1 Cor 6:11 and Eph 4:23
are but a few. By God's grace the interior transformation oe necessary for salvation (Jas 2:24) are preceded by God's grace, enlivened by God's grace and rewarded by God's grace. "For since Christ Jesus Himself, as the head into the members and the vine into the branches, continually infuses strength into those justified, which strength alwI am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work." And 1 Col 15:10 explains: "But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me has not been ineffective. Indeed, I have toiled harder than all of them; not I, however, but the grace of God [that is] with me." Therefore, every aspect of man's cooperation with 2 grace is itself a gift of God's grace. We are not the passive recipients of God's grace; rather, His grace enables us to freely cooperate with His grace.
cont.
Anthony .I disagree with assessment ...AND PLEASE READ..it's,not that different from what we both learned as,kids ...But perspective is another look.at things

First of all...I've never ever heard Any Christian deny an inner transformation in being born again..
Jesus,DID pay the price ..NOTHING WE DO is. Good nough ..even Mother Theresa or Abraham with His,sacrifices could NOT PAY..

He did it..we accept the,gift of grace ...free ...by which we have FAITH in Him as,Saviour ..
We repent TO HIM..we do good works,FOR HIM ..because,He wants,us to and,We love Him

We obey by bring baptized ..

It's,like ...what do you do to KEEP FROM.HURTING THE ONE YOU LOVE MOST...OR TO PLEASE THEM......a living relationship...

We don't say ok I'm.saved ....I can live as I please,..not talk to God ...nor do anything charitable ..boy that was easy .
We have the SPIRIT which most certainly pricks,our conscience or worse when we sin....trying to get us back into relationship with the one we love .

I said this last night ..it's,a hard,concept ...and we live in TIme.

That CUP in the garden was,every sin ever committed ..Jesus,felt every lie
..every CHEAT ...ALL ANGER .every bad thing as,He hung on the Cross....so WHAT we do today..makes,HIS,CUP...HIS,SUF FERING more cruel .....

The nuns told us as kids,when we sin we add another NAIL TO HIS CROSS ....in a way that is,true ...so if I call You a,name ...lie about you ..I am.hurting HIM....as He hung there ....

So if we are saved
.born again...in a relationship ......why would we ever WANT to.hurt Him...why would we NOT want to please,Him..

I hate that my Sins,heap.more punishment on the Cross...And yet we still commit them.
We serve a God of mercy ...HE WANTS,OUR REPENTANCE ..HE WANTS OUR GOOD WORKS,..IF WE LOVE HIM...WE,do both ...

But salvation itself comes,BY HIS,ACT ..And OUR FAITH ..we ate called,by the,FATHER ..through the SPIRIT to BELONG TO THE SON ..Scripture says,WE ARE GIVEN TO HIM....it's,all God .

The,Spirit LEADS we must follow,or perish .

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#501419 Dec 20, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you read 'killing Jesus' by bill oreiley? I haven't but plan to.
Not yet ..got a sample,...

I read these,two books,at Christmas,by BODIE Thoene ..books,5and,6 of the AD CHRONICLES ..Very good ..
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#501421 Dec 20, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> He that believeth "AND IS" baptized shall be saved, He that believeth not shall be damned." AND IS " means one with the other must be done in accordance, which means both are equally important and both must be done in order for this to be valid. The Catholic church from it's very beginning has never done what God commands, and this is the reason for them to be avoided at all cost, because being around them can cost you your soul. The Catholic church has deceived more people to lose there soul by how they deceive the people on understanding the bible, for instance, the Catholic church tells it's members not to worry what the bible says as it's to hard for the average person to comprehend it ,so they tell them that's what the priests are for, to read it to you so you wont be bothered by trying to figure out what it says, which is an out right lie. It is your duty to read it yourself and to never take what's being said to you without verifying what was said to be true. These are just a couple of ways the Catholic church deceives there members, so I urge you to go to the nearest Church of Christ and study your bible and then get baptized and know without a doubt that you are saved
"He that believeth "AND IS" baptized shall be saved, He that believeth not shall be damned." AND IS " means one with the other must be done in accordance, which means both are equally important and both must be done in order for this to be valid."

Right. The Catholic Church teaches, just as Jesus said, that you must have both faith and be baptized in order to be saved.

"The Catholic church from it's very beginning has never done what God commands, and this is the reason for them to be avoided at all cost, because being around them can cost you your soul."

What are you talking about? The Catholic Church teaches the necessity of baptism.

"For instance, the Catholic church tells it's members not to worry what the bible says as it's to hard for the average person to comprehend it ,so they tell them that's what the priests are for, to read it to you so you wont be bothered by trying to figure out what it says, which is an out right lie."

The out right lie is you saying this is what the Catholic Church tells it's members. Produce the evidence or consider it false witness.

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#501422 Dec 20, 2013
Chess wrote:
<quoted text>
You realize you are quoting from a late addition to Mark. The original text stops at 16:8.
Just saying....
God has the ability as you see to make sure what he wants you and I to know that it will be known. If he felt this wasn't important, you wouldn't be seeing it.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#501423 Dec 20, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> God has the ability as you see to make sure what he wants you and I to know that it will be known. If he felt this wasn't important, you wouldn't be seeing it.
Is it God making sure you post lies about what the Catholic Church teaches?
Chess

Columbus, OH

#501424 Dec 20, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> God has the ability as you see to make sure what he wants you and I to know that it will be known. If he felt this wasn't important, you wouldn't be seeing it.
You'd think he could get it right the first time, eh?

Since: Jun 10

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#501425 Dec 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
We achieve justification by faith. That may sound remarkably like the Protestant position, but "faith", as defined by Paul is not merely a belief. Rather Paul defined faith as follows:(1) If God speaks a truth, we believe it in our mind,(2) If He makes a promise, we are confident in it, AND (3) If He tells us to do something, we must do it - this is obedience to faith" (Rom 1:5).
So, do we earn our salvation?
No. Rom 6:23 tells is that it a free gift from God and 1 Cor 6:9-10 tells us that it's an inheritance. When your parents have established an inheritance for you, you do not say that you earned that inheritance; however, by being bad long enough, you could lose that inheritance. We cannot earn our inheritance nor do we need to, but we could lose it. In 1 Cor 6:9-10, Paul gives us a list of sins and sinners and adds that
they "will not inherit the kingdom". We are not saved as individuals, or by our own power, but we are saved inasmuch as we are members of Christ. That means we much be like Him; hence in Gal 5:13-26, Paul gives two lists: the fruits of the Spirit and the works of the flesh. If we follow the flesh, we will die. Rom 8:9 reads "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him"; that Spirit leads us to do as Christ did (avoid sin). We cannot say: "If we have taken Christ as
our Savior we can sin as much as we want", for faith includes obedience (Rom 1:5).
Can salvation be lost?
Paul surely thought so. "No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified." (1 Cor 9:27) If anyone took Jesus Christ as his Savior, it was Paul; but he knew he could be eternally lost.
http://www.scborromeo.org/papers/earn.pdf
OSAS:
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#501426 Dec 20, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text> You know virtually nothing re Chrysostom.You haven't read his commentaries. You have not studied his role in the development of the Church. You are not familiar with his theological arguments.yet you know one thing- which is already well known-i e he made antisemitic comments. This is supposed to dispel everything else re Chrysostom.If this is how you formulate your judgments on issues,it basically amounts to searching for anything negative about good and throw it out thinking the force of it will blunt out people's capacity to think,..
You know virtually nothing concerning how much I have studied the split-"personality" of John Chrysostom.

Catholics adore his words ... and that doesn't say much for Catholics, other than they don't care about anything but their own stupid idea of salvation.

It seems that even dear John didn't think that in a hereafter much good would come to some of those priests. Yet John, who hated the Jews and wanted all of them slaughtered, was sure HE was the HOLY stuffings of salvation.

Mary, who claimed to be a devout Catholic posted the following.
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Post # 61725
Mary Hammond wrote:
<quoted text>

Too bad but then "Hell is paved with priests' skulls." -- St. John Chrysostom
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#501427 Dec 20, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> God has the ability as you see to make sure what he wants you and I to know that it will be known.
But ONLY if YOU preach the "good news" at others ... RIGHT???

How silly you appear in your arrogant CLOAK of white ... with angel feathers on your imaginary wings ... glowing in their heavenly essence.

:)

Since: Jun 10

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#501428 Dec 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"He that believeth "AND IS" baptized shall be saved, He that believeth not shall be damned." AND IS " means one with the other must be done in accordance, which means both are equally important and both must be done in order for this to be valid."
Right. The Catholic Church teaches, just as Jesus said, that you must have both faith and be baptized in order to be saved.
"The Catholic church from it's very beginning has never done what God commands, and this is the reason for them to be avoided at all cost, because being around them can cost you your soul."
What are you talking about? The Catholic Church teaches the necessity of baptism.
"For instance, the Catholic church tells it's members not to worry what the bible says as it's to hard for the average person to comprehend it ,so they tell them that's what the priests are for, to read it to you so you wont be bothered by trying to figure out what it says, which is an out right lie."
The out right lie is you saying this is what the Catholic Church tells it's members. Produce the evidence or consider it false witness.
Then your Bible is good only to replace the Sears catalog in the "you know what"..

The first two companion verses to your quote say no such thing.

Quote:
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Plus there are many more that contradict your erroneous statement that baptizm is a requirement for salvation...
Example: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It is only a public testimony of one's salvation....

I have not spell check with this browser....may have misspelled words...
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#501429 Dec 20, 2013
It must be rightfully understood that salvation -eternal life in Christ Jesus - is a free gift of God. However, the wages of sin is still damnation - spiritual death - since sin is opposed to God, the Source of life. Even though heaven is a gift, we can still earn hell.

Expressed in slightly different terms, salvation is a free gift that can be rejected or lost through our sins. Since salvation is a free gift, we cannot earn it through obedience, prayer, good works, love or even faith. However, like any gift, we have the free will to reject it. We can reject this gift through serious sin - willful disobedience to God.(2 Thess 1:8-9; 1 Cor 6:9-10; Gal 5:19-21; 2 Cor 5:10) As it is written in the New Testament:

For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgement,...[Hebrews 10:26-27; NASB]

These are sobering words! As a closing thought, my civil liberty is a gift earned by my forefathers. However, by committing a serious crime, I may lose it and earn jail.

As faithful baptized Christians, we can confidently hope in the redemption wrought by Jesus Christ, as long as we do not reject it through mortal (deadly) sin (1 John 5:16-17; Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21; 2 Peter 2:20-22). As a result of Christ's redemptive act, God gives each of us enough grace to have faith, to do good works and to resist sinful disobedience; however, we can still willfully reject this grace (1 Cor 10:12-13; 2 Cor 12:9; Eph 2:8-10). Fortunately for Catholic Christians, we have the gift of the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession) in which we can repent, confess and ask God for forgiveness and more grace, if we have fallen into sin (John 20:23; 2 Cor 5:18-21; Num 5:7; Lev 5:5; Acts 19:18; James 5:16). Jesus calls us to forgive one another without limit (Matt 18:21-22), but also promises to forgive us as we forgive others (Matt 6:12; Luke 11:4). Our Lord is a just but merciful God (Isa 45:21; Jer 3:12). As Christians, we must quit rejecting God through our sins and let Him save us by His grace until we finally reach heaven.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/a...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#501430 Dec 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
OSAS:
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
So let me get this straight ... you want me to believe that a Jewish Rabbi believes what was compiled by Catholics in a Catholic authorized bible???

I suggest that if Jesus had lived, that would have been news to him.

:)

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