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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 654222 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#499020 Dec 10, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”
So there is no reason why Jesus said make disciples first and then baptize?
Really Tony...really?
Chuck,

A disciple of Jesus is changing the world in positive ways for generations to come.

Teaching someone to obey is a behavior modification process.

Jesus taught FAITH with ACTION.

"Teaching them to obey everything I have COMMANDED."

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#499021 Dec 10, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you always tell us that we don't follow the teaching of the Apostles so which apostle ever taught that water baptism saved anyone. we know that Peter didn't since the gentiles received the Holy Ghost and then were Baptized in Water.
perhaps you don't understand what peter was saying when he said baptism doth also saves us, Perhaps?
the experience that he had with the gentiles DOES NOT agree with those few words that he spoke later, do they?
we also know, don't we, that Paul called Jesus Lord before he was baptized, don't we?
thru the NT, the correct and only mode of Salvation came thru belief and then followed by water Baptism. maybe Jerome changed the sequence due to more pressure put on him by false teachers?
All of the Apostles believed in water baptism and the baptism of the holy spirit you're talking about is to prove only to the world that the gentiles were also saved, that' all. http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVstudie... "Why did the Spirit come before Cornelius was baptized in water?" In order to answer this question, you need to notice that six Jewish Christians had accompanied Peter to Cornelius's house (Acts 10:23; 11:12). As stated in the text, the Spirit's coming was a shock to these men. "And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God" (Acts 10:45-46). Peter then turned to these same men and asked if they dare object to Cornelius being baptized in water given the obvious testimony of God (Acts 10:47; 11:17).

Also, notice that the Spirit did not come upon the Gentiles until Peter began to speak (Acts 11:15). Here was testimony to all that Gentiles could be saved through the word of God (Acts 11:13-14).

When Peter testified at the gathering in Jerusalem, recorded in Acts 15, he used the example of Cornelius to prove that Gentiles, while remaining Gentiles and not becoming Jews, were accepted by God. Peter did not use the case of Cornelius to prove that everyone should receive the Spirit, or that the Spirit burnt sin out of a sinner's heart, or that the Spirit's coming made him a child of God. Instead, we find that Peter used the baptism of the Spirit as proof that Cornelius and his household should be baptized in water, as recorded in Acts 10 and Acts 11. Peter consistently argued that the Gentiles were to receive the gospel without being bound to the Law. For anyone to claim otherwise would be trying God. "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" (Acts 15:10).
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#499022 Dec 10, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN" <quoted text>
Is someone who has faith but not good works still saved?
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Is someone who does good works but no faith still saved? KayMarie
No. Faith AND good works are necessary for salvation.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#499023 Dec 10, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholics use this verse to support infant baptism:
15 Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them. And when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. 16 But Jesus called them to him, saying,“Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. 17 Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”
**Tony...why do you suppose Jesus didn't baptize these children if in fact baptism saves us?
**wait... I got the catholic answer, "it doesn't say He didn't baptize them".
Chuck,

Baptism INTO the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ was NOT a COMMAND at this time....

Jesus was still alive....

Since: Sep 09

Kitwanga, Canada

#499024 Dec 10, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Is someone who does good works but no faith still saved? KayMarie
According to the Catholics Jesus had faith in Catholicism. I guess that means Jesus is saved by faith.

Of course you and Martin Luther have a different story, about Jesus having faith in Protestantism.

So whether Jesus is saved by faith, seems to be a matter of "personal" opinion.

Tongue in cheek
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#499025 Dec 10, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
When does your bible say St. Peter was baptized?
Peter received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit....no water....

Acts Chapter 2...

Since: Sep 09

Kitwanga, Canada

#499026 Dec 10, 2013
If Jesus is still a Jew that's faithful to Judaism, that might mean that he won't be allowed in Christian heaven, and maybe heaven will only be filled with Christian preachers.

Would that be a tragedy, or a blessing?

:)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#499027 Dec 10, 2013
who="Anthony MN" <quoted text>
Don't you believe that salvation is a one-time event that happens the moment you accept Christ as your personal Saviour? What evidence is there at that moment?

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If you just signed your name in a book, or shook a preacher's hand, there may not be any. But if you truly gave your heart to Him,(LOL), the 'evidence' is overwhelming! He changed my heart and my mind. He gave me a new start in life...and even those around me saw that something different had happened to me!

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Kitwanga, Canada

#499028 Dec 10, 2013
I might be a sadist, but if there is any justice, in a hereafter I suggest that all Christian preachers will end up right where they preached they would be ... spending eternity with those that believe in Jesus.

How many Christian preachers will heaven hold???

Answer ... all of them ... Catholics and Protestants.

I suggest they deserve each other.
Human Being

Jena, LA

#499029 Dec 10, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
"Within the theology," a REAL Jewish messiah would have said ... "I came to align you to the will of Jehovah. I came to make better Jews out of you, so that after you die in physical body and your soul has risen from the dead, Jehovah will accept you into Olam Haba and reward you with eternal bliss for being faithful to Judaism."
Religion shifts with the wind of each new group of theologians, that in turn are eager to start yet more new religions, as on and on and on they BLOW.
June

You're right ontheMark.

So Jesus must not have been the Jewish Messiah, as some would imagine him to be a conquering hero to worship.... He must have been the Messiah for all people, as promised in the O.T.

Since the time of Moses and the Law, one knows the Prophets tried and failed to deliver the nation of Israel back into the good graces of God. And with most of them being put to death for their efforts, it was time for the covenant of the Law to end.
(Note the N.T. story of the landowner sending messengers to the tenants, and finally sending his son, and all were killed because those living in the land refused to accept them....)

Good job June!!

Since: Sep 09

Kitwanga, Canada

#499030 Dec 10, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
He changed my heart and my mind. He gave me a new start in life...and even those around me saw that something different had happened to me!
KayMarie
When Jim Jones preached the anti-Semitic new testament, those around him also noticed how he changed.

He also thought he was called by "GOD" to PREACH!

Since: Sep 09

Kitwanga, Canada

#499031 Dec 10, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
So Jesus must not have been the Jewish Messiah, as some would imagine him to be a conquering hero to worship.... He must have been the Messiah for all people, as promised in the O.T.
You are a Catholic because you are vain. Catholics believe that Jesus loves ONLY Catholics.

If you believed that Jesus loved Atheists, you would have nothing to lose by being an Atheist.

If you believed that Jesus loved Protestants ... you would have stayed in Protestantism.

You are a Catholic FRAUD, double-talking that you now believe that Jesus loves everybody without conditions put on the love.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#499032 Dec 10, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Not as an infant, Anthony....
Baptism is also a lifetime covenant with God/Jesus...
The "new covenant" accomplished what the old covenant could not... the removal of sin and cleansing of the conscience.
What sin has the infant committed???
What cleansing of the conscience does an infant need???
Now why doesn't St. Paul add the infant caveat?

Why was the purpose of circumcising 8 day old infants?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#499033 Dec 10, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN" <quoted text>
Don't you believe that salvation is a one-time event that happens the moment you accept Christ as your personal Saviour? What evidence is there at that moment?
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If you just signed your name in a book, or shook a preacher's hand, there may not be any. But if you truly gave your heart to Him,(LOL), the 'evidence' is overwhelming! He changed my heart and my mind. He gave me a new start in life...and even those around me saw that something different had happened to me!
KayMarie
Not according to the OSASers.
Human Being

Jena, LA

#499034 Dec 10, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you always tell us that we don't follow the teaching of the Apostles so which apostle ever taught that water baptism saved anyone. we know that Peter didn't since the gentiles received the Holy Ghost and then were Baptized in Water.
perhaps you don't understand what peter was saying when he said baptism doth also saves us, Perhaps?
the experience that he had with the gentiles DOES NOT agree with those few words that he spoke later, do they?
we also know, don't we, that Paul called Jesus Lord before he was baptized, don't we?
thru the NT, the correct and only mode of Salvation came thru belief and then followed by water Baptism. maybe Jerome changed the sequence due to more pressure put on him by false teachers?
Preston

Not always true....but I am always on another page than you.(smiles)

Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope...."

The modern view of faith and belief, mainly by mainstream non-Catholics supersedes hope. Please note, that faith always has the flip side of hope. Though Paul does not emphasize hope as often as he does faith.

But of course we have the three mentioned; faith, hope, and love, the three theological virtues.

I find it rather sad, that hope is sort of left behind by most Christians, in the sense that they don't really have a working knowledge of its spiritual value....

Peace
marge

Leesburg, GA

#499035 Dec 10, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Marge,
The Word of God affirms that baptism is a work of God.
It is commanded by Him.
Baptism is expected of those who desire His forgiveness.
32 And John bore witness,“I saw the Spirit descend as a dove from heaven, and it remained on him. 33 I myself did not know him; but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me,‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
Human Being

Jena, LA

#499036 Dec 10, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a Catholic because you are vain. Catholics believe that Jesus loves ONLY Catholics.
If you believed that Jesus loved Atheists, you would have nothing to lose by being an Atheist.
If you believed that Jesus loved Protestants ... you would have stayed in Protestantism.
You are a Catholic FRAUD, double-talking that you now believe that Jesus loves everybody without conditions put on the love.
June on the Mark(again)

Yes I am vain.

And you are circling my thinking on the subject, and I know it is hard to pinpoint.

The point is that Jesus loves everyone, especially sinners like me.
Remember, God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son....(John 3:16)

Glad you see....In trying to define me, I can always slip through a definition, yours or anyone else....There is no wall I cannot pass through, nor darkness to great, that I do not have remaining faith, hope, and especially love.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#499037 Dec 10, 2013
who="Anthony MN" <quoted text>
Now why doesn't St. Paul add the infant caveat?
Why was the purpose of circumcising 8 day old infants?

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At eight days, an infants vitamin K is at a higher level, and its blood clots better.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#499039 Dec 10, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Peter received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit....no water....
Acts Chapter 2...
Hank, I sincerely hope you'll take a few moments and read this very fine discussion:

http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2005/04/dialog...
marge

Leesburg, GA

#499041 Dec 10, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN" <quoted text>
Don't you believe that salvation is a one-time event that happens the moment you accept Christ as your personal Saviour? What evidence is there at that moment?
----------
If you just signed your name in a book, or shook a preacher's hand, there may not be any. But if you truly gave your heart to Him,(LOL), the 'evidence' is overwhelming! He changed my heart and my mind. He gave me a new start in life...and even those around me saw that something different had happened to me!
KayMarie
You called on Him and He baptized you with the The Holy Sprirt Kay Marie!

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