Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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Liam

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Name that fanatic:

"religion is an obstacle to the construction of society"

June VanDerbark?

Nope. Vlademer Lenin. Orchestrated the systematic annihilation of Orthodox Churches throughout Russia. Murdered and imprisoned over 2,000 Orthodox Bishops and Priests.
"Atheism is the fundamental ideological goal of the state"
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Liam wrote:
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I don't believe the Pope was saying the end is imminent. This is only the beginning of it all. The Roman persecution lasted 300 yrs. Its obvious this new hip atheist movement will usher it all in. I think it'll take at least a generation before we start facing jail time for preaching about God.
What a rediculous statement.



If people are moving away from organized religion then maybe you should find out why? Instead of your defensive approach towards anyone who says anything about your church you should not over react.

In america the law says people can speak out. People can protest something they disagree with or don't like.

Since the beginning of mankind religions of all types have played into the lives of people, and after periods of time those religious beliefs disappeared and other religious beliefs replaced them.

No one is advocating putting anyone in jail or charging anyone for practicing their religion. That is just rediculous and fearful on your behalf for believing so.

When I see the constant arguing, name calling, and insults on this forum between catholics and protestants over silly bible terminologies and doctrines it makes me wonder why would God allow such divisivness to continue, if his world is about harmony and togetherness.

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Liam wrote:
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I don't believe the Pope was saying the end is imminent. This is only the beginning of it all. The Roman persecution lasted 300 yrs. Its obvious this new hip atheist movement will usher it all in. I think it'll take at least a generation before we start facing jail time for preaching about God.
So far I like this Pope Francis. He is breaking barriers that have been in place by the old guard vatican for centuries. He is talking TO the people not AT the people.

He can't make everyone happy, but its obvious he is not an ultra conservative as his predecessors, and many of the red hats in the vatican and he is not afraid of making change.

I believe big changes in the church are coming. Pope Francis knows young people are tired of the jam down your throat doctrines and policies/procedures of the church that we here over and over, and he is more about addressing current event issues that affect our daily lives today. THAT IS GOOD NEWS!

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psalm 23
green pasture
https://www.google.com/search...

Did your mum or dady cooking something?
nice cooky..o yee

if you tomo.r.r.ow.n declare freedom for green pasture for all sheep cow horse donkey camile and goats

oh
this people must be very jealous
only animals have full freedom for green pasture

Did animals need rich judge rich minister rich police?
poor auuuuuuu.t.h.or.it.hy
Could you imagine been as hy hy hy then Apache and shoshony are owner and chief of all green pasture all mountains and valley.

sho rabotate macodone..rabotamo u rabatinke po macadame way where car can't go..you know as zavit autotabanic=as footprayer.
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on ma.c.a.dame road=its way without as.failt
litle bit fil.t oh tarable..as joking walking fun funny talking you know
shoshony is native tribe as sho rabotate in rabatinke.jin$ke..
e tribe treba treba
teacher asked;' kako krava pase travu..kako ovca pase travu kako koza pase travu
yeee koza bekaoza
o gee so nice oase with very nice veil..
da vam se oase oze nesto nije pricinilo
o asijo is so big on map
yeeeeeeeeee
https://www.google.com/search...
bibi is bibi tu tuu
zi zi zizi is zizi

I told you great number is great number!
svak treba da cuva ovce i koze i krave
Good pasture.
ispasha is.pa$ha
e pa kako wa$ha $na$ha au hu hu hu huuuuuuu
lijepa lijepa

please tell to me
Why people liked follow animals path?

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truth wrote:
on ma.c.a.dame road=its way without as.failt
litle bit fil.t oh tarable..as joking walking fun funny talking you know
shoshony is native tribe as sho rabotate in rabatinke.jin$ke..
e tribe treba treba
teacher asked;' kako krava pase travu..kako ovca pase travu kako koza pase travu
yeee koza bekaoza
o gee so nice oase with very nice veil..
da vam se oase oze nesto nije pricinilo
o asijo is so big on map
yeeeeeeeeee
https://www.google.com/search...
bibi is bibi tu tuu
zi zi zizi is zizi
I told you great number is great number!
svak treba da cuva ovce i koze i krave
Good pasture.
ispasha is.pa$ha
e pa kako wa$ha $na$ha au hu hu hu huuuuuuu
lijepa lijepa
please tell to me
Why people liked follow animals path?
Potražite pomo&#263;.
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Marxism- Leninism made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. It advocated the control, suppression and elimination of religion. The decree 'separation of Church and state'(sound familiar?) was implemented by the atheist and religion was barred from being taught anywhere in the Union.
- Church bells were barred from being rung in public.
-Church land was seized.
- The Peoples Commisariate For Enlightenment was established in 1917 for the purpose of removing all religion from the school curriculum.

-Orthodox Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow responded by excommunicating the Soviet leadership on January 19th, 1918.
-They responded by arresting and murdering dozens of Bishops, hundreds of priests and multitudes of religious laity.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_...

Yup, the parallels of their speeches on religion and that of June VanDerbarks posts are startling.
After June meets her maker, a new June will take her place; bringing the ideology of June to fruition. History will repeat itself. We are all screwed.
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Michael wrote:
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So far I like this Pope Francis. He is breaking barriers that have been in place by the old guard vatican for centuries. He is talking TO the people not AT the people.
He can't make everyone happy, but its obvious he is not an ultra conservative as his predecessors, and many of the red hats in the vatican and he is not afraid of making change.
I believe big changes in the church are coming. Pope Francis knows young people are tired of the jam down your throat doctrines and policies/procedures of the church that we here over and over, and he is more about addressing current event issues that affect our daily lives today. THAT IS GOOD NEWS!
Yes, he is reforming the Church. He is shaking up the curia. His plan for more laity and woman to get involved can be good.
But keep in mind Michael, Pope Francis does not have the authority to change Church dogma and doctrine.
Marriage is still marriage.
Priests are still men.
Abortion is still a sin.
Regardless, the Church needs to be reminded of why they are there.
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no i don't used drugs
not me
Did you ever drink natural milk from animals with green pasture?
see healthy or not healthy..
What deference between natural and plastic chemical?
Did you need diploma or to be educated what so ever?
Whats deference between system of control
or
system of righteousness?
If you choose system who can or who can't but accuse and abuse others are you for sure you belong to righteousness.
If you abuse your body as addiction are you going declare yourself as criminal person?!
Is that against system of body or system where you live as authority?
How many within authority used addiction drugs alcohol sex money-power and so on?
Did they are criminals or belong to system which liked control?
What a about system of righteousness?
What deference between system of righteousness and conciseness from system of money and power?
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ANTICHRIST ....on world stage

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Liam wrote:
Marxism- Leninism made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. It advocated the control, suppression and elimination of religion. The decree 'separation of Church and state'(sound familiar?) was implemented by the atheist and religion was barred from being taught anywhere in the Union.
- Church bells were barred from being rung in public.
-Church land was seized.
- The Peoples Commisariate For Enlightenment was established in 1917 for the purpose of removing all religion from the school curriculum.
-Orthodox Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow responded by excommunicating the Soviet leadership on January 19th, 1918.
-They responded by arresting and murdering dozens of Bishops, hundreds of priests and multitudes of religious laity.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_...
Yup, the parallels of their speeches on religion and that of June VanDerbarks posts are startling.
After June meets her maker, a new June will take her place; bringing the ideology of June to fruition. History will repeat itself. We are all screwed.
In the same way that Karl Marx ushered in the atheist regimes of Russia and China.
Obamas seemingly harmless socialism will be the prelude to our own Atheistic empire to come. That's not being fearful or paranoid at all. I just see the parallels and same recycled anti religious propaganda that the Bolsheviks used a hundred yrs ago. Its beginning to catch steam in this country by a new fanatical atheism..

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The Inquisition(s)
Roman Inquisition by Pope Paul III - subjects who were found guilty of heresy were ordered to go on a religious pilgrimage, wear a cross in public, fined money, or in very rare cases: a public scourging that mounted to a spanking. No known deaths.
Portuguese Inquisition 1542 - carried our by King Manuel I, who had asked the Pope (Leo X) for permission to carry out the Inquisition in his Kingdom. The tribunal was made up of people hand picked by the royal family and not by the Church. This resulted in political prisoners; falsely accused innocents and heretics. Most were slapped on the hand. Rarely people were tortured and killed. Estimated death toll from the Portuguese Inquisition: 1,100.
Spanish Inquisition - like the Portuguese Inquisition it was carried out by the Monarchy and NOT the Catholic Church.
Less than 2% of all subjects were tortured.
Historian Henry Kamen contends that some 'popular' accounts of the Iquisition (those that describe scenes of uncontrolled sadistic torture) are not based in truth. Kamen argues that torture was never used as a punishment but only to get elicit information or a confession. Modern scholars have determined that torture was used in less than 2% of all cases, less than 1% a second time and never more than that. The torture lasted up to 15 min.
Wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
Atheist Soviet Union talley: 60 Million killed, untold millions imprisoned and tortured
China: 78 Million murdered, at least twice as many tortured
Hitler: 12 Million murdered (6 million for being Jews) countless imprisoned and tortured.
As a Catholic, I'm ashamed that any Catholic would murder someone. But you as an Atheist ignore what your political anti religious mindset has done to humanity. We are doomed to repeat what the atheist did in the 20th century.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/H...

Not a protestant site

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I don't believe the Pope was saying the end is imminent. This is only the beginning of it all. The Roman persecution lasted 300 yrs. Its obvious this new hip atheist movement will usher it all in. I think it'll take at least a generation before we start facing jail time for preaching about God.
LIAM.

the ONLY CLASS of people one can insult and NOT have it called Hate
..are Chrisians ...think.about it

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In the same way that Karl Marx ushered in the atheist regimes of Russia and China.
Obamas seemingly harmless socialism will be the prelude to our own Atheistic empire to come. That's not being fearful or paranoid at all. I just see the parallels and same recycled anti religious propaganda that the Bolsheviks used a hundred yrs ago. Its beginning to catch steam in this country by a new fanatical atheism..
We agree ..he goes through the motions,BARELY ....freedom OF RELIGION. has now become freedom FROM.any form or calling on God .

Our own children will need missionaries ....to tell them.of God if tears people have their way ....
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must be fun funny you liam
no
you are wrong
marx is been very rich man..yee..who call Marx into what= secret society..
yep
please tell me where Marx spend time and have lots of money.. certainly not in any slavic country

see
What they say for slavic people?
Who hitler or secret society?
eliminated all only 20% left
educated to what..to be as robot slave to obey whats so ever..
Are you for sure i agree with that?
no

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People have been talking about the end times since the beginning of time.
What is it you are afraid of?
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Prophecy aside, the end times has already passed for the millions in the graveyards...well, till judgment day.
Are you prepared for that?
KayMarie
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/H...
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Interesting article. I can't seem to find anyone that agrees with their figures. They say 30,000 killed. Other historians say 2,000. Confrint and Concerned in Brazil say 50 million.
What this article did acknowledge - and that jives with what I said- is that the Inquisition where torture and murder occurred, was carried out not by the Catholic Church, but by the governments of Spain and Portuguel. Spain threatened the Pope (Sixtus VI) with withdrawing military support if he didn't allow them to organize the tribunals. At that time, the only reason why the Turks didn't attack Rome was because Spain was a Catholic country with a powerful army. The Pope gave in. But when word reached Rome of the practices of the Spanish Monarchy during their inquisition, he promulgated a new bull:

"many true and faithful Christians- because of the testimonies of enemies, rivals and slaves- have been locked up in secular prisons, tortured and condemned... Given over to secular arms to be executed at great danger to their souls, giving a pernicious example and causing scandal to many"

Pope sixtus
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We agree ..he goes through the motions,BARELY ....freedom OF RELIGION. has now become freedom FROM.any form or calling on God .
Our own children will need missionaries ....to tell them.of God if tears people have their way ....
Every year during the holidays, atheism shows its ugly powerful head. New lawsuits are filed. Protests against God and religion make the news. A cross needs to be taken down.... A display of the ten commandment needs to be removed....
This is merely the first wave. The next generation will not be so kind. God help us with the generation after that.

"I expect to die in a hospital bed. My successor will die in jail. And his successor will die a martyr in the public square"

Cardinal Goerge of Chicago last year.

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Every year during the holidays, atheism shows its ugly powerful head. New lawsuits are filed. Protests against God and religion make the news. A cross needs to be taken down.... A display of the ten commandment needs to be removed....
This is merely the first wave. The next generation will not be so kind. God help us with the generation after that.
"I expect to die in a hospital bed. My successor will die in jail. And his successor will die a martyr in the public square"
Cardinal Goerge of Chicago last year.
Some group out of Wisconsin. Travels thousands of miles to some little,town to say they are offended..STAY HONE ..THRY won't be offended ..it's,stupid ...hose peoples in the town's pay town taxes ..the atheist group does not ..if they HSVE a tradition ...And don't bar any one else ...ATHEISTS GO HOME ..TOMfoolery .

I always give if I see Salvation Army where they ALLOW them to set up ..And God bless them ....not everywhere any more sadly ..And the one store that plays actual CAROLS,..I SHOP AT .....real carols ..not just jingle bells .....

It's,a,wonderful Federal holiday ..plus,a ape I am to me of the year for us..most people hAve great CHRUSTMAS MEMORIES ..theses people are
Awful ...
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Interesting article. I can't seem to find anyone that agrees with their figures. They say 30,000 killed. Other historians say 2,000. Confrint and Concerned in Brazil say 50 million.
What this article did acknowledge - and that jives with what I said- is that the Inquisition where torture and murder occurred, was carried out not by the Catholic Church, but by the governments of Spain and Portuguel. Spain threatened the Pope (Sixtus VI) with withdrawing military support if he didn't allow them to organize the tribunals. At that time, the only reason why the Turks didn't attack Rome was because Spain was a Catholic country with a powerful army. The Pope gave in. But when word reached Rome of the practices of the Spanish Monarchy during their inquisition, he promulgated a new bull:
"many true and faithful Christians- because of the testimonies of enemies, rivals and slaves- have been locked up in secular prisons, tortured and condemned... Given over to secular arms to be executed at great danger to their souls, giving a pernicious example and causing scandal to many"
Pope sixtus
What you need to understand is that the inquisitions were documented meticulously. For the first time they are being studied in depth. What they have found is that the legends developed for propoganda wars while effective are from being reality. Most people are utterly clueless as to the history behind them and what took place and why. They as do ignorant Catholics make automatic assumptions.

The BBC which has been traditionally hostile to the church aired the fantasy of the legends that live on. Scholars stated openly that such deep hatred and animosity of the legends devoid of fact will be ignored by many, because they don't want to believe the truth. Prof. Henry Kamen is highly credible and he stated what they found was shocking as it flies against what had previously been believed. Since they could not win on the battlefield against the Spanish they took to the pen.

Many Protestants today think it was about them or to round up the Jews. Not even close. One has to understand the history and what was happening. In WW2 Americans looked with great suspicion on Germans. The Japanese were rounded up and put in concentration camps. America wasnt real friendly to the Irish either. You know those Catholics. lol Forget that it was a Catholic who got the French Catholics to fight the British for the founding of USA.

The fact is the Spanish Inqusitions are hugely overflated and was much more merciful than what was going on without them. That would be a traditional Lynch mob wild west style. Inquistors who were found to be abusing the rights established were removed and some were. Its so easy for Monday morning quarterbacks. The concerned nutjob in Brazil is a perfect example of a complete idiot who drowns out any reality quoting more people killed than existed in Europe, but the kind of people in here dont care about any sense of reality or truth they just want to rage as if Protestants havent done far worse with their independent inquistions, tortures and burnings. Its ignorance at its height.

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