Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#491376 Nov 13, 2013
The fact that male theologians always wrote of male saviors ought to put red flags up in all people that are willing to ask questions of the theologies.

Where are the female saviors??? WHERE??? And why can't the creator just as easily be female, as male???

Mythical JUNK!!!
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#491377 Nov 13, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="ReginaM" <quoted text>
The only thing we can conclude is that the unbaptized are left to God's mercy. No one can speak for Him, as many here are trying to do, unfortunately.
This is why it's so important to stop playing God and have your babies baptized instead of taking matters into your own hands and saying it's of no consequence. Later on people are sorry and then they attempt to play God further by saying what He will or will not do. He never said unbaptized children will go straight to heaven, never!
What He did say is that we *must* be baptized with water and the spirit or we will not see heaven, period.
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Putting your first line and last line together, we see that unbaptized babies will not see heaven, period.

KayMarie
Not at all. We are bound by God's commands and sacraments...He is not. We hope in His mercy, but apparently you don't since you "see that unbaptized babies will not see heaven period."
See how dangerous it is to cherry-pick and take sentences and phrases out of context? How much more dangerous when you do it with scripture!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#491378 Nov 13, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Does the Catholic Church still sell indulgences? "
That's like asking, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" The Catholic Church does not now nor has it ever approved the sale of indulgences. This is to be distinguished from the undeniable fact that individual Catholics (perhaps the best known of them being the German Dominican Johann Tetzel [1465-1519]) did sell indulgences--but in doing so they acted contrary to explicit Church regulations. This practice is utterly opposed to the Catholic Church's teaching on indulgences, and it cannot be regarded as a teaching or practice of the Church.
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/does-t...
......the Roman Catholic Church was all powerful in western Europe. There was no legal alternative. The Catholic Church jealously guarded its position and anybody who was deemed to have gone against the Catholic Church was labelled a heretic and burnt at the stake.
Why was the Roman Catholic Church so powerful?
.....Its power had been built up over the centuries and relied on ignorance and superstition on the part of the populace. It had been indoctrinated into the people that they could only get to heaven via the church.
....This gave a priest enormous power at a local level on behalf of the Catholic Church. The local population viewed the local priest as their ‘passport’ to heaven as they knew no different and had been taught this from birth by the local priest. Such a message was constantly being repeated to ignorant people in church service after church service. Hence keeping your priest happy was seen as a prerequisite to going to heaven.
....This relationship between people and church was essentially based on money - hence the huge wealth of the Catholic Church. Rich families could buy high positions for their sons in the Catholic Church and this satisfied their belief that they would go to heaven and attain salvation. However, a peasant had to pay for a child to be christened (this had to be done as a first step to getting to heaven as the people were told that a non-baptised child could not go to heaven); you had to pay to get married and you had to pay to bury someone from your family in holy ground.
To go with this, you would pay a sum to the church via the collection at the end of each service (as God was omnipresent he would see if anyone cheated on him), you had to pay tithes (a tenth of your annual income had to be paid to the church which could be either in money or in kind such as seed, animals etc.) and you were expected to work on church land for free for a specified number of days per week. The days required varied from region to region but if you were working on church land you could not be working on your own land growing food etc. and this could be more than just an irritant to a peasant as he would not be producing for his family or preparing for the next year.
......However, unfair and absurd this might appear to someone in the 1990’s it was the accepted way of life in 1500 as this was how it had always been and no-one knew any different and very few were willing to speak out against the Catholic Church as the consequences were too appalling to contemplate.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#491379 Nov 13, 2013
Michael wrote:
SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG!
Theology is terribly wrong ... ALL theology!

It's all based on curses and blessings and fortune-telling and superstitious ritualistic nonsense.

We can't know what happens in the next moment ... much less what happens after our bodies die ... if anything.

And THAT I suggest, is the most credible concept of truth.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#491380 Nov 13, 2013
Anthony:

...Do note, if you did not go to heaven then the likelihood was that your soul had been condemned to Hell. Heresy was visibly punished with public burnings which you were expected to attend. John Huss was accused of heresy and granted a safe passage to Constance in modern Switzerland to defend himself at trial. He never got his trial as he was arrested regardless of his guarantee of a safe passage by the Catholic Church and burnt in public.

The Catholic Church also had a three other ways of raising revenue.

Relics: These were officially sanctioned by the Vatican. They were pieces of straw, hay, white feathers from a dove, pieces of the cross etc. that could be sold to people as the things that had been the nearest to Jesus on Earth. The money raised went straight to the church and to the Vatican. These holy relics were keenly sought after as the people saw their purchase as a way of pleasing God. It also showed that you had honoured Him by spending your money on relics associated with his son.

Indulgences:

......These were ‘certificates’ produced in bulk that had been pre-signed by the pope which pardoned a person’s sins and gave you access to heaven. Basically if you knew that you had sinned you would wait until a pardoner was in your region selling an indulgence and purchase one as the pope, being God’s representative on Earth, would forgive your sins and you would be pardoned. This industry was later expanded to allow people to buy an indulgence for a dead relative who might be in purgatory or Hell and relieve that relative of his sins. By doing this you would be seen by the Catholic Church of committing a Christian act and this would elevate your status in the eyes of God.

Pilgrimages: These were very much supported by the Catholic Church as a pilgrim would end up at a place of worship that was owned by the Catholic Church and money could be made by the sale of badges, holy water, certificates to prove you had been etc. and completed your journey.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#491381 Nov 13, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Unless one is born of water and the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Would that be (within the theology) the kingdom of JEHOVAH ... the one and only Abrahamic god in mythical existence???

Don't be SHY. You can say his real name. He likes the attention.

:)

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#491382 Nov 13, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you sincerely search the truth yourself? There are wonderful Catholic websites that'll explain the Churchs teaching on limbo and purgatory.
But I can tell the Church teaches that the fate of all unbaptized people- including infants - is up to the hands of God. So obviously we can conclude the baby is in Heaven.
That's WHAT I SAID ..That I thought this was current teaching CLAY..
We went through this before --websites and all..no more LIMBO .

I WAS SAYING I BELUEVE the poster ..a Catholic ..is mistaken on when Dr said baptized babies will go to purgatory....even within the belief of HER OWN CHURCH ..She said purgatory NOT ME..

I was saying EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID ...You much tell your fellow Catholisc ..but that's up to you ..

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#491383 Nov 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>The systems of Earth are fixed, in my opinion by God. Everything in weather happens according to a pattern set from the beginning of the planet. Some areas are more prone to incur the more dangerous wraths of weather and weather does not discriminate. A typhoon can't help that people live in the path. The ocean needs to be cleaned whether it's someone on the beach or not. And hurricanes have hit the Americas since before there were inhabitants. These things are not gonna stop happening because they are part of a designed system. Man just have to prepare and deal with them.
Oh - so you think "God" likes to kill hundreds of thousands of people?.....and.....doesn't do anything to stop it.

Gotcha.

I will agree that the the cycles we see today, more than likely were cylces in the environment from previous eras.

You'll have to supply some sort of support to think it was "God".

Just because some guy wrote his opinion on the subject, doesn't make it true.

Unless you truly do believe men.

Do you?

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#491384 Nov 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
The fact that male theologians always wrote of male saviors ought to put red flags up in all people that are willing to ask questions of the theologies.
Where are the female saviors??? WHERE??? And why can't the creator just as easily be female, as male???
Mythical JUNK!!!
The female savior elves are hard at work in the Falsehoof Factory in your head, you "Antidentite"
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#491385 Nov 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
The fact that male theologians always wrote of male saviors ought to put red flags up in all people that are willing to ask questions of the theologies.
Where are the female saviors??? WHERE??? And why can't the creator just as easily be female, as male???
Mythical JUNK!!!
I am sure the local priest/bishops love the old ladies who run the bake sales and run errands for the priests etc. but I believe deep down inside the catholic clergy from the bottom to the top are women haters. I can't believe for a minute that any God would put men above women and claim women need not apply.

What red blooded man would live a singular life of loneliness, with no desires of a woman in his life, with ONLY the same expectation of getting to heaven just the same as anyone else?

....makes no common sense!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#491386 Nov 13, 2013
I suggest this woman takes first prize for religious idiocy.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#491387 Nov 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
(44) Jesus says:
(1) "Whoever blasphemes against the Father, it will be forgiven him.
(2) And whoever blasphemes against the Son, it will be forgiven him.
(3) But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither on earth nor in heaven."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm
CC will be forgiven if she chooses to believe these words.
That having been said, the depiction of "trinity" as it is presented can not exist in the equal measure of "one" by any standard...as the importance of defamation of one of the "parts" is unequally weighted in proportion to the other two of supposed equal parts to represent a balanced dynamic [of] "one".

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#491388 Nov 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut,“the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xamolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
Whooooa!! Good one!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#491389 Nov 13, 2013
who="Michael"
.....There is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely known to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have noticed.

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How many libraries or books would the Romans have saved when they burned Jerusalem in 70 A.D.?

How many libraries or books were burned by Islam jihadists in their rampages?

How many such writings were burned by those who hate Christianity?

It seems that even you would help to burn them if you could...

But the Bible STANDS...

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#491390 Nov 13, 2013
After many centuries of anti-Semitic preaching by popes that the Jews were vile Christ-killers, some of the popes started trying change the trend. But the hatred of Jews by Christians had been so engrained into the psyches of the Christians, in many Christians it exists to this day.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>

Sicut Judaeis (Latin: "As the Jews") was a papal bull setting out the official position of the papacy regarding the treatment of Jews.

The first bull was issued in about 1120 by Calixtus II and was intended to protect Jews. It was prompted by the First Crusade, during which over five thousand Jews were slaughtered in Europe. The words sicut Judaeis ("and thus to the Jews") were first used by Pope Gregory I (590-604) in a letter addressed to the Bishop of Naples. Even then the Pope emphasized that Jews were entitled to "enjoy their lawful liberty."[1]

The bull was reaffirmed by many popes including Alexander III, Celestine III (1191-1198), Innocent III (1199), Honorius III (1216), Gregory IX (1235), Innocent IV (1246), Alexander IV (1255), Urban IV (1262), Gregory X (1272 & 1274), Nicholas III, Martin IV (1281), Honorius IV (1285-1287), Nicholas IV (1288-92), Clement VI (1348), Urban V (1365), Boniface IX (1389), Martin V (1422), and Nicholas V (1447).[2][3]

The bull forbade Christians, on pain of excommunication, from forcing Jews to convert, from harming them, from taking their property, from disturbing the celebration of their festivals, and from interfering with their cemeteries.

The bull of 1120 was not the first papal expression against the mistreatment of Jews. In 1065, for example, Pope Alexander II wrote to Béranger, Viscount of Narbonne, and to Guifred, bishop of the city, praising them for having prevented the massacre of the Jews in their district, and reminding them that God does not approve of the shedding of blood. In 1065 also, Alexander admonished Landulf VI of Benevento "that the conversion of Jews is not to be obtained by force."[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#491391 Nov 13, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you dug yourself a hole. You better scramble to find a fundie website that gives an un factual account on the Biblical canon. Then you will be justified as you stand before God.
Why isn't Sirach and Tobit Scriptural?
Because the Jews said so? Nope. Not all Jews.
Besides, the Jews said that Revelation and Matthew and Timothy aren't Scriptural either. Do you believe them?
Face it. You have no clue how and why you have a Bible book in your hand. You don't know how it developed over time (the bible wasn't created out of the sky, it developed!)
"All scripture is inspired"
Paul was speaking of the OT Books. THOSE were the only scriptures the Apostles used then. AND Paul was speaking about Sirach, Tobit and Maccabees 1 & 2.
nowhere in the Bible does it a list of scriptural books either. This fact requires the fundie to force ignorance upon themselves.
All:
1. Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity: All the windows are open. Deal all the cards.
2. Constituting, being, or representing the total extent or the whole: all Christendom.
3. Being the utmost possible of: argued the case in all seriousness.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#491392 Nov 13, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure the local priest/bishops love the old ladies who run the bake sales and run errands for the priests etc. but I believe deep down inside the catholic clergy from the bottom to the top are women haters. I can't believe for a minute that any God would put men above women and claim women need not apply.
What red blooded man would live a singular life of loneliness, with no desires of a woman in his life, with ONLY the same expectation of getting to heaven just the same as anyone else?
....makes no common sense!
Arrogance does strange things to human psyches.

I suggest that non-human animals don't suffer from such a blight. Non-human animals just love positive attention, no matter what human or animal source it stems from.

Humans in religion want and demand attention from imaginary gods, and if they believe that is threatened ... watch for trouble ... as the blood of victims will be sure to follow.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#491393 Nov 13, 2013
who="ReginaM" <quoted text>
Unless one is born of water and the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Jn 3:5 In Christendom that is baptism, always has been, always will be (that is until a few years ago upon the advent of evangelical fundamentalism).
Now give chapter and verse where God excepts children from this command and says they will go directly to heaven upon their death.
The Church teaches that unbaptized infants and children are left to the mercy of God. We do not presume to speak for Him, nor do we presume upon His mercy. We place our hope in an all loving and merciful God, of course. But it's up to Him, not us.

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You say that you trust them to God's mercy, but continue to say that children are not excepted from (your idea of) baptism.

Born of water and of Spirit: Every child is 'born of water' when it is born. When it is born 'again' OF THE SPIRIT, it is ready to publicly testify to that new life by water baptism.

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#491394 Nov 13, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
But the Bible STANDS...
KayMarie
It stands for bloodshed and vicious brutality of the most horrendous nature.

But as you are sure a Jew loves you ... you will in all probability continue on your deep-rutted journey of self-delusion ... until you choose to awaken to see the issue in a new light.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#491395 Nov 13, 2013
who="ReginaM" <quoted text>
Not at all. We are bound by God's commands and sacraments...He is not. We hope in His mercy, but apparently you don't since you "see that unbaptized babies will not see heaven period."
See how dangerous it is to cherry-pick and take sentences and phrases out of context? How much more dangerous when you do it with scripture!
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The 'unbaptized babies' was YOUR quote, not mine.
KayMarie

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