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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 646380 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#489256 Nov 7, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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That is sick and perverted belief.
It is also NOT supported by the Bible.
The most important offering in the entire OT wasn't even harmed but allowed to go free from the city.
You also have a grain offering which is perfectly acceptable to YHWY/El.
Blood in the garden..blood o. The,altar of,Abel..unblemished land,and heifers,on the,Altars all thru the,OT..ONLy ONE SINLESS UNBLEMUSHED SACRIFICE ..JESUS CHRIST

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#489257 Nov 7, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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That is sick and perverted belief.
It is also NOT supported by the Bible.
The most important offering in the entire OT wasn't even harmed but allowed to go free from the city.
You also have a grain offering which is perfectly acceptable to YHWY/El.
And today's,Jews are,raising red heifers...creating the instruments for sale office and making ceremonial vestments as they Bruce the third temple will be rebuilt ...Why ..blood sacrifice ...
Jumper The Wise

Morgantown, KY

#489258 Nov 7, 2013
[QUOTE who="June VanDerMark"
I suggest that would be news to any faithful Jew on earth OR in Olam Haba ... if such a place existed in the sky.
:)[/QUOTE]Lucky for you then that a anvil hasn't fell on you like in the cartoons.
Human Being

Church Point, LA

#489259 Nov 7, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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I agree with you ..we,are born again by faith ...not Baptism
And there is,no guarantee that anyone will not stray ....a born again believe t with true Faith has an Advocate with the Father ...And,through the work of the HOLY SPIRIT is led to repentance .
But a,baptized baby. Who might never give their life to Christ ..once they have reason ..that's,a different story .
Some people baptize as ceremony .it's expected ..or they feel baptism alone has power like a talisman
.And their kids are not raised in any belief ..
Faith in Jesus saves . True Faith leads to Christian behaviour ..hopefully ..our eyes and hearts need to be on Him..if we stray ..we need to repent TO HIM...we are coveted by His blood ....
Not he works in some treasury of dead saints ...by indulgence
RoSesz

Peace

I think the point I am making is that human beings are born with faith. It is more real than the appearances of the world.

A baby's faith, is the same as an adult's faith.

Baptizing a baby or an adult is an exercise(work) of faith, mainly in the past as an expression of vows, and to be welcomed into a community.

Faith is a foundation from which one then exercises to gain knowledge, which in turn strengthens one in the sight of God and man.

The balance of faith with reason is what allows knowledge to ferment into wisdom.

So the difference in an adult and a baby becomes one more of the amount of wisdom gained(mainly through experience).

In a sense, a person who is a True Christian, becomes a True Jew. So we value our childhood...,"Jewish " experience through the O.T. and grow wiser in Christ. In learning we grow to adulthood in Christ, as did those early disciples, except we must seek our "Jewishness" in a second hand way....

Peace
Liam

Chicago, IL

#489260 Nov 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Clay,
Do you not believe that Jesus had the authority to forgive sins while He was here on earth?
Of course, and likewise He can forgive whomever He wants to this day. And at anytime He wants.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#489261 Nov 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
You wrote
"You might be condemned for your sins but my sins, past, present and future were forgiven the day I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior."
____
I do not believe that our future sins are forgiven when we get saved
only our passed sins....
AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN....We have to deal with our sins and.... confess them... for them to be put under the Blood.
THE BIBLE SAYS..
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of
--> sins THAT ARE PAST,<-- through the forbearance of God;
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
IF WE DON'T THEY WILL STAND AGAINST US IN THE JUDGMENT..
RECEIVING JESUS AS YOU LORD AND SAVIOR ...
DOES NOT GIVE ANY ON A FREE PASS ...FOR THEIR FUTURE SINS...
I believe we, have a,conscience even before we are saved ..know,right for. Wrong ..especially if we have had religious education.

However ..I.also BELUEVE . After we come to true Faith

If we go on to Sin..the,Holy Spirit ..to put into purely him an terms
Will bound us,..national is,..prick our conscience and in some cases BREAK us ..into Repentance ..

This,is,NOT the same as going and confessing . Getting penance ..to go on and sin each week

Real Sin ..Bring s us misery ...if Jesus is,Lord..And we ate at the foot of the CROSS praying to be washed from I equity from.the Dame blood sed on the Cross ..

But when He went to the Cross all Sin was,in the CUP HE DRANK ..as,He knew it ..or else He,would have to die each time,we sin...

Tat is,my belief and understanding .

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#489262 Nov 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Again, GIF, when was water baptism established?
Jesus had the authority here on earth to forgive the thief right then and there.
~~~

WHEN DID THE AUTHORITY OF JESUS EVER CHANGE...

DOES HE NOT STILL HAVE THE SAME AUTHORITY....

I KNOW OF NO SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS HIS AUTHORITY HAS DIMINISHED

BECAUSE HE ASCENDED ..

His last word in Matthew's gospel

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Does you church believe...THIS OR NOT?

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#489263 Nov 7, 2013
Liam wrote:
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A person can come to Jesus hours before they die and be saved.
Agree Chuck. Hey, we agree on something?
So you believe that someone can come to Christ hours before they die without being baptized and you don't know if an infant who dies with being baptized goes to Heaven?

Interesting Clay...that's all I can say.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#489264 Nov 7, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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I think the point I am making is that human beings are born with faith. It is more real than the appearances of the world.
You make this claim, but have no support for it.

Why?

Oh yeah - that is "faith", huh? One can exclaim that it is present, but through honesty, it only resides within a person's mind and one cannot prove that it is instilled.

Can you prove you have thsi 'faith' from birth?
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#489265 Nov 7, 2013
So you believe that someone can come to Christ hours before they die without being baptized and you don't know if an infant who dies WITHOUT being baptized goes to Heaven?

Interesting Clay...that's all I can say.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#489266 Nov 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You wrote
"You might be condemned for your sins but my sins, past, present and future were forgiven the day I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior."
____
I do not believe that our future sins are forgiven when we get saved
only our passed sins....
AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN....We have to deal with our sins and.... confess them... for them to be put under the Blood.
THE BIBLE SAYS..
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of
--> sins THAT ARE PAST,<-- through the forbearance of God;
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
IF WE DON'T THEY WILL STAND AGAINST US IN THE JUDGMENT..
RECEIVING JESUS AS YOU LORD AND SAVIOR ...
DOES NOT GIVE ANY ON A FREE PASS ...FOR THEIR FUTURE SINS...
http://biblehub.com/romans/8-26.htm

But WE MUST REPENT ..And be washed in the blood ..

I believe and was taught ..ten,PRIDUGAL ..ALREADY AN HEIR ...went His way ..But the ONLY parable which pictures he FATHER RUNNING is to embrace the Sinful.sinful Don ..eh o had returned in repentance ..

The sin lost much But still has His Home in the love if the Father ..
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#489267 Nov 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT SINCE THE THIEF ON THE CROSS WAS NOT BAPTIZED
THAT JESUS LIED WHEN HE SAID...
Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee,
To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
No, no, no, GIF....I am not saying that Jesus is lying....

If the thief was baptized, it was the baptism of John the Baptist for repentance.....(as there are no scriptures saying that the thief was baptized by John the Baptist)

Can John the Baptist's baptism save anyone? NO!

Remember, no blood was shed....

And, Jesus had the authority to forgive sins on earth....

This is all I am saying...
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#489268 Nov 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, GIF, when was water baptism established?
Jesus had the authority here on earth to forgive the thief right then and there.
Hank

did God accept the "Death Bed Confession" of the thief on the cross?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#489269 Nov 7, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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I believe we, have a,conscience even before we are saved ..know,right for. Wrong ..especially if we have had religious education.
If that is true, why do you suppose the Protestants and Catholics and Muslims and Jews felt a need to kill each other as being offenders of the same supposed god???

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#489270 Nov 7, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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But WE MUST REPENT ..And be washed in the blood ..
"WE???"

Who is the "WE" to which you refer???
Human Being

Church Point, LA

#489271 Nov 7, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong, there is more to do, that is baptism. Baptism is essential to one's salvation. Jesus when he was being ascended to heaven gave instructions to his Apostles to teach and BAPTIZE, this is the last few words that Jesus said before going to be with his Father, and you think that's not important being that this is his last words. Yes you must be baptized and you must be in the church spoken of in the bible or how else are you going to be taught in spirit and in truth. The church in the bible is the Church of Christ, as this is the only church on this planet that one can go and worship in spirit and in truth. I urge you to go to the nearest Church of Christ and get baptized and live your life as a Christian until you are called home. Mark 16;16, Matthew 16;18, Acts 2 37-37, Romans 16;16 1.
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
[English Standard Version, Matthew 28:19]
2.
"And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
[Acts 2:38]
3.
"I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."
[Matthew 3:11]
4.
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
[Galatians 3:27]
5.
"For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit."
[1 Corinthians 12:13]
6.
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."
[Romans 6:3]
7.
"And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name."
[Acts 22:16]
8.
"John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins."
[Mark 1:4]
9.
"Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire household. And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized"
[Acts 18:8]
10.
"because [fn] they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"
[1 Peter 3:20-21]
Working for the Lord

Peace

Baptism takes on two forms, one is a sacred ablution, and the other a metaphorical ablution.

The question is which one, or both are necessary?

You, appear to be focused on sacred ablution(immersion in water, or sprinkling of water), by your writings.

I am just trying to let you see another view, that a metaphorical ablution is just as valid. One who hears the Gospel and accepts it, is a person that is "baptized under fire". By that I mean they hear the true meaning of the Gospel, and accept Christ as their Savior.

It is hard for me, in the world of today, to accept that one must undergo water baptism, and that it is "essential" as you say, in order to have salvation. It is more a rite of passage, although for some, they are called to express their faith, through their born-again experience to be baptized in water.

So it is my hope that you open your view to reading the scriptures to be more inclusive of all people of faith in God....

Peace

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#489272 Nov 7, 2013
Liam wrote:
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Of course, and likewise He can forgive whomever He wants to this day. And at anytime He wants.
He can?

How?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#489273 Nov 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
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No, no, no, GIF....I am not saying that Jesus is lying....
If you insinuate that a Jew would prefer Christians over his own Jews ... I suggest that you are saying Jesus is capable of lying. Either THAT ... or YOU are capable of lying for insinuating such nonsense.

Silly theology.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#489274 Nov 7, 2013
Liam wrote:

A person can come to Jesus hours before they die and be saved.
Agree Chuck. Hey, we agree on something?
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe that someone can come to Christ hours before they die without being baptized and you don't know if an infant who dies with being baptized goes to Heaven?

Interesting Clay...that's all I can say.
These statements sound like rituals have nothing to do with "being saved".

Thus baptism is just a ruse.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#489275 Nov 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE WORD'S OF PAUL IN...
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified,
unto the Jews a stumblingblock,
and
unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
GIF...

You wrote:

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

It is the power of God....

It is the power and working of God in our baptism.....

Die to sin in baptism....

In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision NOT performed by human hands.

Your whole self ruled by the flesh (SIN) was put OFF when you were circumcised BY CHRIST,

having been BURIED with HIM in BAPTISM, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the ~~~WORKING OF GOD,~~~ who raised him from the dead.

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