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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 627710 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#489120 Nov 7, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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You are a liar. Evidently you do not believe what Jesus said. John 3:16, "For God so loved the world,fn that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
Show me where Jesus said in order to be saved we must be baptized and if we are not baptized we are not saved and are condemned to hell forever. Show me these specific words of instruction from the Master to us.
OldJG,

We are already condemned, OldJG, for our sins....

This is why Jesus came....

Romans 8:3

3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

Could the law save anyone, OLDJG? NO!!! the law was powerless...Why???

Because it was weakened by the flesh......SIN....

He CONDEMNED SIN in the flesh.....

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#489121 Nov 7, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
I know. I have experienced it all at some time or another.
It is not the true nature of people. It is what they have been taught in bigotry and intolerance that causes that.
I have to look beyond that as best I can, because I have found folks in all walks of life that aren't at all bad. We are products of our environment, to whatever degree it has affected us, and how we perceive and interact with it. We need to change that "environment" for the better, so we all can have a more productive and peaceful existence.
That's why I spend my time on forums trying to show people how religion confused me, and why I left it behind.

I don't go in to their places of worship and cause a disturbance ... but forums are a totally different issue. They are now on turf where I have "equal" rights to discuss my atheism from my perspective. If they don't like the forum, they can leave and go back to their places of worship where they will get the respect for their religious ideas that pleases their NEEDS.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#489122 Nov 7, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Someone, anyone....please provide a list of requirements Jesus preached and commanded to receive salvation other than......
B E L I E F
Not head belief. Heart belief! We all know Satan believes but not in his heart. Satan only acknowledges there is a God.
Romans 10:9-10, 9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIEVE IN THINE HEART that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For WITH THE HEART MAN BELIEVETH UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
OldJG....

You should already know the COMMANDS of Jesus in the New Testament....
truth

Perth, Australia

#489123 Nov 7, 2013
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Why jesus represent criket.tekirk..
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no
i am not zagej

never

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neces
no
why should be

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kud ces ti jadance
ma nemoj
to neko mirce
ma daj nesmrci
utuzi mi to smrkanje
a tako
vi jos i smrcete
ma nemoj
na nos
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Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#489124 Nov 7, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
It appears it is difficult for one fictional character to kill another fictional character.
Especially when they all worship the same fictional character.

The Jews, Muslims and Christians fight on earth about who the same supposed god loves and who he rejects.

But I suggest that nothing "of nature" is occurring up in the sky ... other than birds flying here and there performing THEIR daily rituals.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#489125 Nov 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say there are different requirements for folks in the New Testament than there were for the folks in the Old Testament.
I don't think that was God's plan...
People in the Old Testament were saved the same way folks are today....by faith.
OK, I am back to Chuckie now....

The Law in the Old Testament COULD NOT and DID NOT save anyone, Chuckie.....

Hebrews 10:4

4 It is <<<IMPOSSIBLE>> > for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

So now that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins, what does Jesus' blood do for the people in the Old Testament????

This is where people in the Old Testament enter in a covenant with God, Chuckie....

Hebrews 9:15

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance¬ó~~~~~now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.~~~~~

Do you see it, Chuckie???

NOW that He has died as a ransom to SET THEM FREE from the SINS COMMITTED under the first covenant (Law-Old Testament).
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#489126 Nov 7, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> We as adults are to be child like in the sense we believe as a child would without hesitation in believing what God says, once again the word believing which again shows the ability one must have to do God's will, which is believe, and this is also another thing an infant isn't able to do. As adults we are not to be child like in belief to be caught up in everything that's said without proof. The fact is a child is pure and sin free and in no need of being baptized so we can be forgiven of our past sins which again an infant doesn't have a need to be forgiven as they are sin free.
Working for the Lord

Peace

I appreciate your response, and agree with most of it. But I would desire to communicate this..., If as you say a baby "doesn't have a need to be forgiven", then how, or why, does this impede or impinge on a baby being baptized?

In fact, it is only our perception of the ability to "believe", which is in question. So does a person of low IQ not being able to believe also impede them from being baptized?

The point I am trying to convey to you is that baptism does not require the "work" of believing. Rather believing is more spontaneous, and a part of man's nature, given by God.

To rest one's eternal fate on being able to understand the Gospel, hinges itself like a door on faith, hope, and love, but not on intellectual understanding, when one is baptized.

With God, He is not so much interested in our understanding we are sinners, as He is on our faith, hope, and love....

Peace

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#489128 Nov 7, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove it!
At least provide a Bible verse that explicitly says non-believers won't go to Hell.
It doesn't matter which religion to which the devout believers belong, they will all choose their favorite scriptures in their favorite books written by their favorite theologians to try to make "their cases" credible.

"Read THIS scripture and it will make it plain that 'I' am right and you are 'wrong.'"

Religious wars were caused by the right-fighting-warriors using their favorite scriptures as weapons of supposed "defense."

"You are a heretic ... and 'I' am a martyred SAINT."
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#489129 Nov 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, I am back to Chuckie now....
The Law in the Old Testament COULD NOT and DID NOT save anyone, Chuckie.....
Hebrews 10:4
4 It is <<<IMPOSSIBLE>> > for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
So now that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins, what does Jesus' blood do for the people in the Old Testament????
This is where people in the Old Testament enter in a covenant with God, Chuckie....
Hebrews 9:15
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance¬ó~~~~~now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.~~~~~
Do you see it, Chuckie???
NOW that He has died as a ransom to SET THEM FREE from the SINS COMMITTED under the first covenant (Law-Old Testament).
How was Moses saved?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#489130 Nov 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Hank, what happens to them?
Chuckie,

Please show me from the Word of God, where God accepts a "Death Bed Confession?"

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#489131 Nov 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Especially when they all worship the same fictional character.
The Jews, Muslims and Christians fight on earth about who the same supposed god loves and who he rejects.
But I suggest that nothing "of nature" is occurring up in the sky ... other than birds flying here and there performing THEIR daily rituals.
It seems to me at times that religion is used an excuse to exxpect a deity to change the world instead of us changing ourselves.

It is the difference between the "do this" of Jesus and the "believe this" of Paul.

Note who Christians actually follow.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#489132 Nov 7, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
To rest one's eternal fate on being able to understand the Gospel, hinges itself like a door on faith, hope, and love, but not on intellectual understanding, when one is baptized.
If you don't depend on "intellectual" understanding ... why read the scriptures at all???

After all ... it is the study of the scriptures that keeps people fighting over the intellectual meanings OF the scriptures.

So it seems the best answer, is to never read any of those supposed holy books in the first place, and just put faith in treating the neighbor as an equal.

RIGHT Robert???
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#489133 Nov 7, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Baptism of babies is a dedication ..to raise them to know God..And nothing wrong with that ..BUT IT DOES NOT mean they will be Christians,when they choose for themselves ...
We EACH HAVE TO CHOOSE HIM ...And make Him.the Focus of Our lives
Nowhere did,JESUS ever say baptize babies .
Preach and baptize BELIEVERS,
Now,personally I believes little ones, ate close to God by their INNOCENCE ..baptized or not ...But they CANNOT CHOOSE anything important ..it's up to us to raise them
Terrible threes and,all
RoSesz

Peace

You write, " Baptism of babies is a dedication...."

If this is true, then what about baptism of adults? Is this not also a dedication? An acknowledgement to a set of vows to God?

I think, one must be born-again. And that is of God through Jesus Christ. And so one is Baptised by God when one is born-again, through faith. The act of human baptism is one of sacramental nature.

But in the end, as you write also that no one knows if a baptized baby will become a Christian when they get older. The same is true of a person who takes the vows of baptism, and then breaks them..., which leads us back to the much debated argument here on "once saved always saved".

It is the free-will and act of God, through His Mercy in Jesus Christ which touches our souls for us to become born-again. So it is not within our understanding to determine, but rather God's Providence when one is Born-Again.

Peace
truth

Perth, Australia

#489134 Nov 7, 2013
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Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#489135 Nov 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
If I was a god, there would be NO suffering of humans OR other forms of life.
That's in part why I don't believe in the existence of a god. I don't believe that a god would BE that cruel.
There you go again blaming God for something he has absolutely no control over. The reason he has no control over is the fact we have feewill, which people abuse it by doing evil things. I feel the same way you do as it's heartbreaking to see all these innocent kids getting abused, sometime by their own parents. I get so mad at all the little kids starving to death because of evil people taking their food away from them and using it for their own greedy reasons. But this is the reality of life and we , you and I have to deal with it by doing the best we can for all the children in need. When God comes back he will take vengenance on all these evil people and we will never have to worry again about these kids starving and being abused. If Jesus cried for his friend being dead, can you imagine how his heart must ache for all the evil done to his kids, he feels the same way we do.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#489136 Nov 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
OldJG....
You should already know the COMMANDS of Jesus in the New Testament....
Why do you limit what Jesus taught?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#489137 Nov 7, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems to me at times that religion is used an excuse to exxpect a deity to change the world instead of us changing ourselves.
It is the difference between the "do this" of Jesus and the "believe this" of Paul.
Note who Christians actually follow.
What is it with you and Paul, don't you know what Paul says is simply what God has told him to say, he's just one of the writers employed to write the words down for God, which is controlled by God through divine intervention.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#489138 Nov 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
To believe in a religion that teaches that others deserve hell for eternity - we all do Grams not just some
You are wrong!

Once the goddess of modern Paganism was told to stop cursing homosexuals, she now apparently loves everybody without condition.

She lives in the moon where her power can be brought into the believers on earth (if they pray in the right way) and in turn her power fills the believers up to the top of their beings WITH POWER.

What they do with all that power is their own business.

Many young Christians are leaving their religions to join up with the Wiccans and other modern Pagans, as modern Paganism is a lot more fun. There is no hell for bad people. It simply doesn't exist.

:)
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#489139 Nov 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Chuckie,
Please show me from the Word of God, where God accepts a "Death Bed Confession?"
Thief on the cross

you don't think a person can come to faith in Christ right before they die?
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#489140 Nov 7, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot -'and be honest.'
New Age Spiritual Leader

Peace

If being honest equates to "seeking the truth", then I think most people fall into this category to some degree. And depending upon perception, practice, and experience, one that is honest in seeking the truth arrives, or achieves a certain level of competence.

The issue remains of understanding one's own, and other's biases, through which communicating can often be a problem....

Peace

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