Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Human Being

Basile, LA

#488400 Nov 5, 2013
Peace

Book of Wisdom 2:

12 Let us beset the just one, because he is obnoxious to us; he sets himself against our doings, Reproaches us for transgressions of the law and charges us with violations of our training. 13 He professes to have knowledge of God and styles himself a child of the LORD. 14 To us he is the censure of our thoughts; merely to see him is a hardship for us, 15 Because his life is not like other men's, and different are his ways. 16 He judges us debased; he holds aloof from our paths as from things impure. He calls blest the destiny of the just and boasts that God is his Father. 17 Let us see whether his words be true; let us find out what will happen to him. 18 For if the just one be the son of God, he will defend him and deliver him from the hand of his foes. 19 With revilement and torture let us put him to the test that we may have proof of his gentleness and try his patience. 20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death; for according to his own words, God will take care of him."

Peace

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#488401 Nov 5, 2013
who="Hermeneutics Smutics" <quoted text>=
Thus you have this shift from a onetime public act of reconciliation practiced in the church in the mid third century to a private act of confession and penance starting in the late 4th century.
Contrary to your statement that private confession was done for the Priest to acquire power, this was done for purposes of discretion, privacy, encouragement, and mercy from the draconian harsh lengthy punishments that accompanied public confession.
It was felt that public confession would discourage people from coming forward and expose them to contempt from people if the sin was publicly revealed.
Those same appointed Priests would then assign penances for those who confessed to work them out by themselves.
Confession was done for only a certain type of sin, it was generally public, the works of penance were also strictly a public affair which could only be done once in a person’s lifetime, and there was no judicial absolution as is practiced by the Roman Church today.
The early Church dealt severely with sin among its members. But this had to do with sins it considered to be very grave such as adultery, fornication, murder, heresy and denying Christ in persecution. Such sins would be dealt with by excommunication.
For those individuals who had committed mortal sin it became necessary, in order to be forgiven and restored to the Church, that they generally publicly confess their sins and submit themselves to an extensive penitential discipline of personal humiliation which could only be done one time in one’s lifetime.
This discipline meant that they would be excluded from communion and would undergo weeping, fasting and other disciplines requiring protracted ascetic and religious exercises for long periods of time.
An example of the harshness of punishment prior to the formal institution of private confession with a priest is the one dealt to the adulterer:
LVIII. The adulterer will be excluded from the sacrament for fifteen years. During four he will be a weeper, and during five a hearer, during four a kneeler, and for two a stander without communion
What the early Church called confession or public penance for grave sin was not initially something that could be done over and over again. And because of its very demanding and humiliating character many people put off the discipline until the end of their lives.
However, over time there was a gradual change in this practice so that eventually no matter how often an individual might sin he could seek reconciliation through the presbyter
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Fifteen years ??? Wow. Sounds too much like Islam: "Bow down before ME and I will let you live...if you pay me the tax."

What happened to the folks who died before the fifteen years were up?

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#488402 Nov 5, 2013
who="Hermeneutics Smutics" <quoted text>=
Over time, the forms in which the sacrament of confession has been administered have changed.
In the early Church, "public confession" did mean it was done outdoors. Confession was public; that is, one confessed one’s sins openly in church, in the presence of the entire faith community.
Private confession to a priest was always an option for privately committed sins. The priest who “stood in” for the community, as its presiding officer and as its witness to the penitent’s repentance.
In the fourth century the penitents of the Church were divided into four classes.
C
LASSES OF PENITENTS
THE WEEPERS
Before the church there was commonly either an open area surrounded with porticoes, called atrium, with a font of water in the center. This was the place at which the first and lowest order of penitents, the weepers stood exposed to the weather.
AUDIENTES, OR HEARERS
The first part after passing through “the great gates,” or doors of the building, called the Narthex in was a narrow vestibule extending the whole width of the church.
In this part, to which Jews and Gentiles, and in most places even heretics and schismatics were admitted, stood the Catechumens, and the Energumens or those afflicted with evil spirits, and the second class of penitents ), who were called the audientes, or hearers. These were allowed to hear the Scriptures read, and the Sermon preached, but were obliged to depart before the celebration of the Divine Mysteries, with the Catechumens, and the others who went by the general name of hearers only.
KNEELERS OR PROSTRATORS
The second division, or main body of the church, was called the Naos or Nave. Before coming to the Ambo, in the lowest part of the Nave, and just after passing the royal gates, was the place for the third order of penitents, called in Latin Genuflectentes or Prostrati, i.e., kneelers or prostrators, because they were allowed to remain and join in certain prayers particularly made for them. Before going out they prostrated themselves to receive the imposition of the bishop’s hands with prayer. This class of penitents left with the Catechumens.
In the other parts of the Nave stood the believers or faithful, i.e., those persons who were in full communion with the Church, the men and women generally on opposite sides.
THE CONSISTENTES
Amongst these were the fourth class of penitents, who were consistentes, i.e., co-standers, because they were allowed to stand with the faithful, and to remain and hear the prayers of the Church, after the Catechumens and the other penitents were dismissed, and to be present while the faithful offered and communicated, though they might not themselves make their offerings, nor partake of the Holy Communion.
It was the last grade to be passed through previous to the being admitted again to full communion.

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What happened to the sinner who died before his fifteen years were up?

So glad I can confess to Him, and receive His blessing immediately.

KayMarie

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#488403 Nov 5, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Jesus Signed My Pardon
What happen to baptism, you can't be saved without being baptized. Mark 16;16

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#488404 Nov 5, 2013
who="- NOMAD-" C'mon you guys..The RCC is a Work of the Devil, the Great deciever of Truth.
I'am not sure if there is 1 true church where Jesus is in absolute control. Noboby here has that information. But as a ex RCC i can attest to the fact [IMO] that there is no Singular Christian Church that is favored over another.
If you feel there is, then by all means, come aboard and share your thought's.
I have beel waiting and looking for many years to find that 1 church to worship in.Thank you one and all.

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Welcome! There are many great churches around...but none of them are perfect, because they ALL have people in them. Find one and enjoy it, but don't be upset when you see/hear something that is not perfect. PRAY for it. You can help make it better, or worse!

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#488405 Nov 5, 2013
who="Husker Du" <quoted text>The devil quotes the bible you know. Your hatred is un excusable. Remember to love Christ, you have to love your enemy, you are to see the face of Christ in EVERYONE, not just protestants.

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Why don't you preach that way ALL THE TIME? You sound like you know the Christian 'way'.

KayMarie

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#488406 Nov 5, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Are we supposed to join your cult in order to be "saved?"
How funny!
No, my dear lost woman, You are to join Jesus. Are you calling Him a cult leader?
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#488407 Nov 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
Here are a few things that God doesn't approve of,
A.D. 108-112 Having water blessed before usage
early second century Separation of clergy (preachers and elders) from laity (members)
A.D. 140 Special days set aside for fasting, which eventually leads to the practice of Lent
Second century
Special vestments for clergy
Second century Meeting of elders in a region
A.D. 180 Sprinkling accepted as an alternative for immersion in the case of sickness or special needs
A.D. 180 Infants are baptized
late second century Making the sign of the cross when praying
A.D. 230 Belief in purgatory
Third century Prohibition of clergy to marry
Third century Head of regional eldership called a bishop
A.D. 325 Constantine calls for a council, marking the beginning of the joining of church and state
A.D. 325 Celebration of Easter
A.D. 329 Confessing sins to a priest
Fourth century Bishops from major cities called archbishops
Fourth and fifth centuries Monastic orders
A.D. 350 The mass replaces the Lord's Supper
A.D. 360 Celebration of Christmas
A.D. 380 Theodosius declares Christianity to be the state religion
A.D. 400 Doctrine of inherited sins, salvation by faith only, and once saved always saved advocated
A.D. 417 Candles are used in worship as a sacred element
A.D. 470 Veneration of Mary as the mother of God
A.D. 492 Transubstantiation, the belief that the elements of the mass become the literal body and blood of Christ
A.D. 500 Veneration and bowing to images of saints
A.D. 528 Extreme Unction, the anointing of the dead or dying for spiritual forgiveness
A.D. 590 Gregory I becomes the archbishop of Rome and declared Rome to be the center of the universal church
A.D. 606 Boniface III accepts the title of Pope
A.D. 670 Organ music was introduced into the worship, but was removed when division was threatened
A.D. 775 The organ was reintroduced and remained.
A.D. 1053 Pope Leo IX excommunicated Michael Cerularius, the archbishop of Constantinople, causing the formation of the Eastern Orthodox Church
A.D. 1090 Rosary beads introduced
A.D. 1311 Sprinkling is accepted as a form of baptism for all people.
A.D. 1414 Laity does not partake of the cup during Mass
A.D. 1845 Doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary
A.D. 1870 Infallibility of the Pope
Call no man father, as your father in Heaven is your only Father.
Excellent facts!

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#488408 Nov 5, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
No Confrinting!! It is called proclaiming, teaching and adhering to the TRUTH of the TRUE WORD OF GOD that is manifested only in Jesus Christ, in and through His One True Apostolic Catholic Church ---versus-----listening to YOU or one of your other 42,000 bible only "self-appointed, self-proclaimed "editorialised" half-truth, half-heresy preachers,---in which (each one of you) are "ALL OVER THE PLACE" when it comes to the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible!..... All ANYONE has to do is to read the perverted arguments, the twisted debates and opinionated "hostile" discussions, that you bible only "fundies" have with each other, in which (each others) opinions are the "final authority". There is ONLY ONE TRUTH, and ONE ONE TRUE WORD OF GODS, not 42,000 relative truthes!!! God IS not, nor has EVER BEEN the author of your bible only contradiction, confusion and chaos and it has "been that way" for over 450 years, since the Reformation!!!
Confrinting is correct. It is either what the Bible says, or it is what the Catholic Church does. Each is directly opposed to the other.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#488409 Nov 5, 2013
Henry VIII's Catholic physician, Dr, Thomas Linacare, upon reading a portion of Matthew, angrily tossed it to the ground exclaiming: "Either the Gospel is not true, or we (Catholics) are not Christians!"
Patriot

Boulder, CO

#488410 Nov 5, 2013
"He will be the Sure Foundation for your times, a Rich Store of Salvation and Wisdom and Knowledge; the fear of the LORD is - the key - to this Treasure." http://biblehub.com/isaiah/33-6.htm

http://biblehub.com/niv/proverbs/1.htm note vs 7

"Knowledge" to share -

Even in His dealings with the "wicked", GOD is Love - "Study to shew thyself approved unto GOD..." http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/2-15.htm -

http://www.preparingforeternity.com/hellfire....

http://www.truth-about-hell.com/page4.htm

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488411 Nov 5, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=pvS2OtG2SHc
Link still didn't work.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#488412 Nov 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> What happen to baptism, you can't be saved without being baptized. Mark 16;16
Sure you can. Was the criminal next to Jesus saved after he died, went to Heaven with Jesus, baptized after his death by the Lord?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488413 Nov 5, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>Other posters have tried to explain things to you in the past, you fail to comprehend. You are here only to aggravate. What I posted came from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. And I hate to tell you this , but the Cardinals and the Pope who , by the way was the Blessed Pope John Paul II, wrote the Catechism, know more about indulgences than you. The Holy Spirit guided them, you know.
Unfounded conclusions.

a. Prove the HS guided anyone?
b. "but the Cardinals and the Pope who , by the way was the Blessed Pope John Paul II, wrote the Catechism"

DOH!!

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#488414 Nov 5, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Jesus Signed My Pardon
I was in sin's prison, oh, so dark and cold
Like a lost sheep wandering from God's eternal fold;
Then the door swung open, and He spoke to me
"I have signed your pardon, now you may go free."
Chorus:
Jesus signed my pardon, this I surely know
Took my place at Calvary, now I won't have to go;
All my life I'll give to Him - He gave His for me
When He signed my pardon there at Calvary.
Since the Savior led me from that awful place
I can hear the angels as they sing Amazing Grace;
I know I was pardoned from my sin and shame
When I joined them singing, "Glory to His name."
Chorus:
Jesus signed my pardon, this I surely know
Took my place at Calvary, now I won't have to go;
All my life I'll give to Him - He gave His for me
When He signed my pardon there at Calvary.
Life is now worth living since I've been set free
I'm so glad He was willing to save a wretch like me;
Now I have a mansion, not a prison wall
Jesus signed my pardon, Jesus paid it all.
Chorus:
Jesus signed my pardon, this I surely know
Took my place at Calvary, now I won't have to go;
All my life I'll give to Him - He gave His for me
When He signed my pardon there at Calvary.
~~~
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Outstanding post! If only the RCC would follow the "Romans Road" to salvation, instead of the road to Babylon. How is it they discount the book written to the Roman Christians?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#488415 Nov 5, 2013
Human Being wrote:
Peace
Book of Wisdom 2:
12 Let us beset the just one, because he is obnoxious to us; he sets himself against our doings, Reproaches us for transgressions of the law and charges us with violations of our training. 13 He professes to have knowledge of God and styles himself a child of the LORD. 14 To us he is the censure of our thoughts; merely to see him is a hardship for us, 15 Because his life is not like other men's, and different are his ways. 16 He judges us debased; he holds aloof from our paths as from things impure. He calls blest the destiny of the just and boasts that God is his Father. 17 Let us see whether his words be true; let us find out what will happen to him. 18 For if the just one be the son of God, he will defend him and deliver him from the hand of his foes. 19 With revilement and torture let us put him to the test that we may have proof of his gentleness and try his patience. 20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death; for according to his own words, God will take care of him."
Peace
Not in the Sacred Word of God...get a refund...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488416 Nov 5, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing but the,blood of OUR,LORD,JESUS,CHRIST ..can wash SIN .
His blood?

I understand, skip his teachings and just rely on "his blood".

I now completely understand why you and others are so-called "Christians" - you really are confused on what to believe and what not to believe.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#488417 Nov 5, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>The devil quotes the bible you know. Your hatred is un excusable. Remember to love Christ, you have to love your enemy, you are to see the face of Christ in EVERYONE, not just protestants.
And you see the face of Christ in everyone ..even those you disagree with???

You treat them.as,you would treat
Christ??

And you treat people who have sinned the same way
CHRIST did???

Please,think really hard before you answer,...thanks,

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488418 Nov 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> When Jesus comes he will meet us in the sky, and all those that are in the book of life will be taken to heaven and the others including the devil will go to a place of eternal torment, and there is no new earth. The rapture and the millennial reign of Christ cannot be true if it is not 100 percent Biblically supported and it is not. We are to protect our world against all enemies, foreign or domestic. Just like we are to obey the police and all laws of the land as this would be a sin if we didn't obey.•Revelation 21:1 “Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.” New is not the same as the old.(physical)
•Revelation 21:2 “Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.” The holy city, new Jerusalem, cannot be a physical one, because it’s coming from heaven. The new heaven and new earth must be a figurative expression for God’s dwelling place, heaven. Matthew 5:34 “But I say to you, do not swear at all neither by heaven, for it God’s throne, nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.” Revelation 21:24,27 “And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.”“But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” This describes where the righteous will dwell, including the faithful in the church.
Camping 101

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488419 Nov 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> What happen to baptism, you can't be saved without being baptized. Mark 16;16
What happened to believing in all of what Jesus taught?

And yes - one can be saved if they are not baptised.

You just can't fathom this, because you were taught that it was rqd.

How 'bout working on those other questions I posted for you? Still working them out?

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