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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 699445 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#485163 Oct 26, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Roman Catholicism is the most powerful, widespread and subtle of all un-Biblical religious movements.(snipped for space)
In reality the Roman Catholic hierarchy is not a church at all, but a gigantic religious, political organization.
The Church of Rome has unscripturally appropriated the name "Catholic" to mean only its own church. The true name for the miscalled Catholic Church should be the Roman Church.
The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the one true Church, dating back to the beginning, organised by Jesus Christ Himself, with the disciple Peter as the first Pope and Vicar of Christ of earth. However, while the true "Catholic" Church (the Body of Christ) was born in eternity in the Mind of God, the Roman Catholic Church was not organised until about 313 AD.
Emperor Diocletian for the first three centuries the true Church was threatened with extinction, as the persecutions of pagan Rome increased in intensity under the reigns of the heathen Emperors from Nero to Diocletian. In 303 AD. Diocletian, determined once and for all to stamp out Christianity, issued a series of edicts, each more severe than the former, in his effort to exterminate Christianity. Christians were martyred by the thousands and the Roman prisons were filled to overflowing with believers and especially Christian ministers.
Then a most unexpected event took place. Constantine the Great became Emperor of Rome in the early part of the fourth century. During one of the crucial battles for conquest he is supposed to have seen in the sky a flaming cross at midday with the words inscribed in Greek: "By this sign conquer." It may have been pure imagination in an hour of desperation, or an optical illusion, but whatever it was he accepted it as word from Heaven that this cross was his key to victory. Accordingly he not only accepted Christianity but also made it the religion of the Roman Empire.
The result was the Roman Catholic Church, which is a mixture of about one-third Christianity, one-third Judaism, and one-third paganism. This was the beginning of the union of Church and State. Constantine, however, did not oppose the old pagan worship of Rome; rather, he superimposed Christianity upon these pagan religions, adopting elements in both; and thus, by allowing the pagans to continue their heathen customs, he made it easy for them to adopt Christianity. The result was the Roman Catholic Church, which is a mixture of about one-third Christianity, one-third Judaism, and one-third paganism. The Roman Catholic Church thus pretends to accept most of the cardinal doctrines of Christendom, plus the holy days and priesthood copied from Judaism, and the superstitions and fetishes of paganism with its charms such as holy water, candles, and images.
While the pretended adoption of Christianity was hailed as a great victory for the Church, it was also, ironically, the beginning of her ruin. From this date we can trace all the innumerable errors of the Roman Church -
1. Mariology
2. The mass
3. Purgatory
4. Limbo
5. The celibacy of priesthood
6. Adoration and worship of images
7. Indulgences
8. The infallibility of the Pope
9. The immaculate conception of Mary
and many other unscriptural errors. Instead of a blessing it became the downfall of the organized church. Yet all the time during those dark ages which followed there was as always the body of true believers, members of the true Church, within the framework of the rapidly corrupting hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.
Before Constantine the true Church was persecuted and threatened with extermination; after Constantine there emerged the Roman Church, patronized by the State and subsequently seeking temporal powers to rule and govern the State. This was the beginning of the Roman Catholic Church which has lasted until today.
Pretty close brother...in a nutshell.
Michael

Canada

#485164 Oct 26, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you just simply 'not believe'? What's with the atheist evangelism?
You come across as a whining fascist. Not everyone agrees with you on religion, so you're going to try and drag everyone down with ya? That's pathetic, June. I
William, not everyone agrees with your religion. Whats your point? Less than 18% of the world population is catholic and far less than half even practice their faith.

.....thats not very good!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485165 Oct 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Within theology ... what purpose do you believe "god" had for creating evil?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#485166 Oct 26, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Its not really about what you say Rose Its YOU and the fact you are friends with us.No matter what you say of I say and nick we get those peanuts..lol...remember, takes a BIGGER person to walk away..GBU Have a great day!
No, it's not about you. It's about mis-information and ignorance of history, I'm trying very hard to help Rose understand and I hope she will eventually reject the bias that's so ingrained in her.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485167 Oct 26, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Think of this.
.... Jews do not believe in sons of God, yet Jesus supposedly a jew, claimed to be the son of God, and Jesus worshipped with Jews in their houses of worship but both have different philosophies of sons of God.
.....
Theology was screwed from the beginning, and it got more muddled, morphed, divided and insane as time went by.

There is no hope for religion to unite, and there never was from the time the first humans began to argue over who owned the one and only truth.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485168 Oct 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's not about you. It's about mis-information and ignorance of history, I'm trying very hard to help Rose understand and I hope she will eventually reject the bias that's so ingrained in her.
Are you sure that "your" theology, above all other theology, is based on solid truth???

:)
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#485169 Oct 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
For themselves mostly ..I think ..who knew,what was,going to happen..
Or that there WOUKD be a posterity ...for any children I might have ..fir friends,..why do people ...write down anything ??
It's important TO THEM.
Btw, Good morning ..
Only two of the gospels were written by an apostle, the other two were written by the apostle's companions. I think it's entirely possible that St. Peter couldn't read or write, and who knows why the other 9 didn't write. I'm really just trying to help you understand that what you take for granted in the 21st century was not the reality of life in the 1st century. People didn't hear something and pull out a pad and pencil and jot it down.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#485170 Oct 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok Rose, yes, it's possbile they jotted some things down, even though the bible doesn't mention one word about it, however there was NO New Testament for many decades after Christ's Ascension. The question for you is do you accept the fact that the Church existed BEFORE the NT did?
The, body of believers ..the Church...known as the Way ..travelled around or stayed in JUDEA ..JERUSALEM..preaching ..converting ..then baptizing believers .

They wrote letters,..the gospels Appeared later ..

Disciple preached and wrote after that ..a some point the Emeperor
Came into play ..declaring CHRISTIANITY as his Faith

The canons put together ..And folks,still preached he gospel outside
The religious organization..

As I understand it

A POPE..declared. much later ..though a good portion of the then Church did not accept Him.as Peters,successor ...a High Priest or the head of the Christian Church..

A history of good work...bringing people to God....yes

But ONE OF YOU..just said YOU CANNOT FORCE PEOPLE to believe ..yet the Roman Church did just that in league with the monarchs they helped put into power
...

And that is,their thing I most struggle with ..believing JESUS true,Church Tortured one soul into belief ...ONE in His name or ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN while they wielded such power .

Luckily VAT 2 and Benedict have spoken out against the JEWS KILLED JESUS justification used as excuse throughout history ...for torture.....confiscation..And death to God's chosen ...

I have to tell you that learning if the treatment of Jews ...was a huge disappointment when I was a young woman ...

And I know,JESUS never preached any such thing ...And I'm glad your Church lost that kind of secular power ..And NOW reconcile with the Jews ....the power above thrones ...only in.my opinion
.....lost in forgetting God's words to Abraham ..

Did the APOSTLES, spread a great Faih..Most assuredly .

Does your Church today bring followers to Jesus..yes ..But the CHURCH is in the hearts of believers ...whom.He has Called ...using
RELIGIOus churches ..Cath ..non Cath
.CLERGY .TV ..INERNET ...BOOKs ....AND MOST OF ALL HIS WORD IN THE BIBLE.....all efforts used by the HOLY Spirit ..so the Father can CALL US TO HIS,SON
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485171 Oct 26, 2013
Theology is to study religion. That is what I do with my time. I study it and it is my quest to figure out reasons why it divides people as right-fighters that group up in individual cults.

As long as you defend your own personalized cults, you will perceive that others in other cults are evil or at the very least ... wrong. And that attitude is to be very, VERY narrow of mind.



June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485172 Oct 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Only two of the gospels were written by an apostle, the other two were written by the apostle's companions. I think it's entirely possible that St. Peter couldn't read or write, and who knows why the other 9 didn't write. I'm really just trying to help you understand that what you take for granted in the 21st century was not the reality of life in the 1st century. People didn't hear something and pull out a pad and pencil and jot it down.
You insist on being a right-fighter ... don't you?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485173 Oct 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
The, body of believers ..the Church...known as the Way ..travelled around or stayed in JUDEA ..JERUSALEM..preaching ..converting ..then baptizing believers .
They wrote letters,..the gospels Appeared later ..
Disciple preached and wrote after that ..a some point the Emeperor
Came into play ..declaring CHRISTIANITY as his Faith
The canons put together ..And folks,still preached he gospel outside
The religious organization..
As I understand it
A POPE..declared. much later ..though a good portion of the then Church did not accept Him.as Peters,successor ...a High Priest or the head of the Christian Church..
A history of good work...bringing people to God....yes
But ONE OF YOU..just said YOU CANNOT FORCE PEOPLE to believe ..yet the Roman Church did just that in league with the monarchs they helped put into power
...
And that is,their thing I most struggle with ..believing JESUS true,Church Tortured one soul into belief ...ONE in His name or ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN while they wielded such power .
Luckily VAT 2 and Benedict have spoken out against the JEWS KILLED JESUS justification used as excuse throughout history ...for torture.....confiscation..And death to God's chosen ...
I have to tell you that learning if the treatment of Jews ...was a huge disappointment when I was a young woman ...
And I know,JESUS never preached any such thing ...And I'm glad your Church lost that kind of secular power ..And NOW reconcile with the Jews ....the power above thrones ...only in.my opinion
.....lost in forgetting God's words to Abraham ..
Did the APOSTLES, spread a great Faih..Most assuredly .
Does your Church today bring followers to Jesus..yes ..But the CHURCH is in the hearts of believers ...whom.He has Called ...using
RELIGIOus churches ..Cath ..non Cath
.CLERGY .TV ..INERNET ...BOOKs ....AND MOST OF ALL HIS WORD IN THE BIBLE.....all efforts used by the HOLY Spirit ..so the Father can CALL US TO HIS,SON
You insist on being a right-fighter ... don't you?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485174 Oct 26, 2013
To state that your own theology is based on the one and only truth ... feeds your personalized theologians their daily intake of egoism, and in turn feeds you your daily intake of egoism.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485175 Oct 26, 2013
There is no doubt that it makes people in religion feel powerful to tell others they will spend eternity in hell.

But I suggest it's not a healthy pastime to shout such negativity at others.

If you admit you don't know the answers, you will never use words taught to you by theologians that in turn could cause harm.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#485176 Oct 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Only two of the gospels were written by an apostle, the other two were written by the apostle's companions. I think it's entirely possible that St. Peter couldn't read or write, and who knows why the other 9 didn't write. I'm really just trying to help you understand that what you take for granted in the 21st century was not the reality of life in the 1st century. People didn't hear something and pull out a pad and pencil and jot it down.
I understand that ..posted this,link on John
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/how-coul...

JOHN MARK may have scribes for Peter .
iThey thought Jesus,coming back in their lifetime ...

I get that

If I found a great settlement on the plains ..wrote to my cousin in the East or in Norway ..I'm sure no one would see the letter centuries,later .

I know,not all could write ..BUT hose who could ..I imagine WOULD HAVe ..some of it published later ...some lost .

The Centutions ???did they write to family if touched by Jesus,..I'm sure those letters,gone with the ages,..others,punched by Him .

June and someone else saying no one,wrote a thing during His,life

There fore, He did not exist????

Do you understand,why ..I'm Sure there,WAS ..HE EXISTED ..DID MIRACLES
WAS,MESSIAH..
WE,only know of that which was,preserved ...some could have Bern incorporated later ...some lost to tell ages,..as I'm sure a,lot was,in any age,

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#485177 Oct 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok Rose, yes, it's possbile they jotted some things down, even though the bible doesn't mention one word about it, however there was NO New Testament for many decades after Christ's Ascension. The question for you is do you accept the fact that the Church existed BEFORE the NT did?
It is a known fact that [an] organized church existed in Jerusalem in 50 AD. That, in itself, would suggest there was some form of "doctrine"...at the least a "developing" doctrine.
I believe that is relevant to your discussion. You folks take it from there.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485178 Oct 26, 2013
I wish no harm to theologians, as I believe they are simply tangled up mentally and emotionally in their egos, that in turn results in them bragging that they know truth.

I wish them well ... and that is why I don't want people to believe them.

Pride must result in a fall, or it will not learn to communicate with others on a level surface.

Pride always puts itself up on pedestals high above the crowd that it in turn perceives ... resides far below.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485179 Oct 26, 2013
The dalai lama believes he is "enlightened." That is another term for "owing the highest form of knowledge."

He is a man full of pride and arrogance, who feigns humility at every turn.

I suggest that if his followers would perceive in their own minds that he is an "untouchable" and inform him of such thoughts ... the dalai lama might find a middle road by stepping off of his own pedestal, and in turn start believing he is but a mortal ignorant human as are all mortal humans.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#485180 Oct 26, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning! I don't believe that I am incorrect when stating that a priest sets an example for his church. And if he is free to swear in front of his church members than he is a very poor example for his church. To boldly swear in front of people shows that he is truly not a man of God but a man of satan in a priest clothing..If I ever heard any man representing himself for his church speak this way I would be going to his church anymore...
I wouldn't trust most of what Mike says. I've known some very holy priests and never heard one swear word from any of them, however I think this conversation started with a reference to the use of the initials "BS" . If I heard a preist say "BS" (not the words themselves), I don't think it'd be a big deal. BTW, I've heard far more blasphemous and unholy words from preachers who've never uttered a swear word.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#485181 Oct 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Rose, most historians say the population at the time was about 10% literate. 9 out of 10 people couldn't read or write or make any kind of notes. If you were there, most likely you'd have TOLD people. In these times and in many cultures across the planet information was passed down from one generation to the next by word of mouth. They had a very sophisticated way of memorizing reciting stories, some men were the village "historians" and trained their whole lives memorizing stories exactly word-for-word. Many of those men who were converted by the apostles and ordained bishops were able to do this. They then appointed men to do the same. St. Paul tells St. Timothy to remember the words and from whom he learned.
I do understand ..it just bugs,me when people think...we,don't have
Anything written then ...therefore there was,NOTHING WRITTEN ..And therefore He,Did,NOT exist .

He did ..only in.my opinion...And others,..folks,wrote about Him...
We,just have what has been preserved ...
Back then ..they thought HE WAS,either with them forever ..or coming back soon .

I'm sure the GOSPRLS,became,more important the older they got .
Protecting a record for posterity
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#485182 Oct 26, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a known fact that [an] organized church existed in Jerusalem in 50 AD. That, in itself, would suggest there was some form of "doctrine"...at the least a "developing" doctrine.
I believe that is relevant to your discussion. You folks take it from there.
Whether or not your claims are fact ... I suggest that it took time for the ex-Jews to come up with the Jesus-myth. The convoluted, ridiculous story probably didn't come together over night.

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