Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Liam

Chicago, IL

#483137 Oct 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Liam " <quoted text>
Yeah lol. It just blows me away sometimes at the forceful ignorance it takes to be a born again fundamental Christian. Their whole Biblical concept is bizarre. You tell them that the Bible wasn't printed until 1452, and they plug their ears. They wanna believe every Christian had a copy on their night stand since the Apostles handed all the books out to the folks...I don't think the laity ever had possession of the scriptures before the protestant revolt. Or not many... The scriptures were in the Churches where Christians read them allowed during the Mass- like we still do today.
Anyway, 45,000 and counting since the books became available to the Chucks and Oldjgs.
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You almost got it right. Though all of the books had not been compiled into one volumne, parts of it WERE read in the churches.
The book of Colossians was written to them, but Paul instructed that it also be read to the other churches. They exchanged the letters so that all could know the Word. Thankfully, we now can hold it in our hands, and study it.
Col 4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.
Col 4:16 And when this epistle (letter) is READ among you, cause that it BE READ ALSO in the church of the Laodiceans; and that you likewise READ the epistle (letter) from Laodicea.
These letters were shared, not chained to the pulpits as Rome did later.
KayMarie
Yeah of course His letters were shared, but it was amongst the Church. They didn't pass them out for everyone to figure out what Paul was saying....they didn't go to a potential convert and say, "psst, read this. Its the word of God"
Btw, Paul wrote at least two more letters that were either lost or destroyed. And what about the teachings of the other Apostles who didn't write? Do you think they went to a city and passed out the writings of Paul? Use your head, Kay. The Apostles set up a Church and it centered around the Eucharist. This Church is still visible today.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#483138 Oct 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
We can ask Him "why" in Heaven.
He did it. It's right there in Scripture.
Makes absolutely no sense that Christ would establish something on an imperfect being...none.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#483139 Oct 18, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
First, Dan, you have to understand what is meant by church which is NOT the Catholic church....
Body of Christ....
What is the church?
Thatís right - YOU ARE.
1 Corinthians 12:12

12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.

For there is NO earthly organization to divide!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#483140 Oct 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
The BIBLE says The just shall live by faith.
Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Gal_3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Heb_10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
THE FAITH THAT THE JUST SHOULD LIVE BY COMES FROM HEARING THE WORD OF GOD
Rom 10:17 So then -->faith<--
(FAITH DEFINED)
persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:- assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
cometh by -->hearing,<--..
(HEARING DEFINED (the act, the sense or the thing heard):- audience, ear, fame, which ye heard, hearing, preached, report, rumor.
and hearing by the -->word<--
(WORD DEFINED)
an utterance (individually, collectively or specifically); by implication a matter or topic (especially of narration, command or dispute); with a negative naught whatever:-+ evil,+ nothing, saying, word.
of -->God<--
(GOD DEFINED)
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very:- X exceeding, God, god [-ly,-ward].
THOUGH IT WANTS THE WORLD TO BELIEVE IT IS
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT A DEITY OR IS IT A
SUPREME DIVINITY..
IN NO WAY IS IT GODLY ...NOR DOES IT LEAD GOD-WARD...
IT ONLY DRAWS SOULS TO ITS GODLESS SELF...
IT MERCHANDISES THE SOULS OF MEN..
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
NOTE
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words
--> make merchandise of you:<--
whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Please cite where the Catholic church declares itself "A DEITY OR A SUPREME DIVINITY.."

Thanks in advance.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#483141 Oct 18, 2013
THOUGH IT WANTS THE WORLD TO BELIEVE IT IS

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT A DEITY NOR IS IT A

SUPREME DIVINITY..

IN NO WAY IS IT GODLY ...NOR DOES IT LEAD GOD-WARD...

IT ONLY DRAWS SOULS TO ITS GODLESS SELF...

IT MERCHANDISES THE SOULS OF MEN..

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

NOTE
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words

--> make merchandise of you:<--

(MERCHANDISE DEFINED)

a load (as filling), that is,(specifically) a cargo, or (by extension) wares:- burden, merchandise.

whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#483142 Oct 18, 2013
who="HuskerDu" <quoted text> Lying makes baby Jesus cry.

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Jesus is quite mature, and He knows exactly who is lying. The liar will be the one to cry.

KM

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#483143 Oct 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Chuck" <quoted text>
Preston...let me pick your brain. Last week during men's Bible study, predestination came up. What are your thoughts? Ever preach on it?
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Simple. Predestination was the act of creating man FOR A PURPOSE. Some have misunderstood this, saying that God predestined some for heaven and some for hell.
Ro. 8;29,30 declares that we are predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son. We are created to become like Him.
Eph. 1:5,11 tells us that we are predestined to the adoption (conception) of children by Jesus Christ to Himself...
(thus we must 'be born again' of His Spirit).
The Greek word does not mean 'adoption,' as in legally acquiring someone else's child. It means 'conception'...as of His own seed.
KayMarie
I think that this verse speaks volumes about predestination.

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

"not willing that any should perish" means that God doesn't predestinate any person being sent to hell.

a person "chooses" to be sent to hell, God doesn't "choose" to send them there.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#483144 Oct 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
True or false-Jesus established His Church in Scripture.
True....at Pentecost...Acts Chapter 2...

It is the Lord's church as defined and revealed in the New Testament.

Not Catholic, Baptist, etc...
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#483145 Oct 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Where's "here"?
The whole planet's loaded with nothing but sinners, chuck.
more reason Christ would not establish a church here on earth.

God's Word is littered with verses of how sinful we are and He is not.. and yet you believe He established a church on earth as well as giving them authority....
Dan

Omaha, NE

#483146 Oct 18, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
actually He said He will...future
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I WILL build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Once this corrupt sinful earth is gone, yes He will establish His church and it will consist of all those who receive Him by faith.
Well, no, He conferred His authority directly, then, to the Apostles in the same chapter.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#483147 Oct 18, 2013
who="Dan" <quoted text>
We, likewise, don't use scripture against you for "bible alone".... when that's not there.

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Jesus said, "It is WRITTEN..."
"Search the SCRIPTURES" (not the catechism)

There are more.

KayMarie
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#483148 Oct 18, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Corinthians 12:12
12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.
For there is NO earthly organization to divide!
Jesus used many metaphors, analogies and parables to help us understand the nature of His church.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#483149 Oct 18, 2013
who="Dan" <quoted text>
Were it simple disagreement, then Christian grace would be in order.

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And there is a time when Christian grace is NOT in order?

KayMarie
Dan

Omaha, NE

#483150 Oct 18, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
more reason Christ would not establish a church here on earth.
God's Word is littered with verses of how sinful we are and He is not.. and yet you believe He established a church on earth as well as giving them authority....
But, He did it.

Like I said, you can go on all day about "why" Christ wouldn't have done what He did, but He did it.

It's right there.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#483151 Oct 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan" <quoted text>
We, likewise, don't use scripture against you for "bible alone".... when that's not there.
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Jesus said, "It is WRITTEN..."
"Search the SCRIPTURES" (not the catechism)
There are more.
KayMarie
There isn't any "bible alone" or "scripture alone as authority".

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#483152 Oct 18, 2013
PETER DISCLAIMS THE POSITION THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ATTEMPTS TO ASSUME HIM INTO..

IN

Act 3:11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.


Act 3:12 And when Peter saw it,

-->he answered unto the people,

Ye men of Israel,

why marvel ye at this? or

why look ye so earnestly on us,

as though by our own power or holiness

we had made this man to walk? <--

Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers,

hath glorified his Son Jesus;

whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of

Pilate, when he was determined to let him go
.
Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

NOTE WHAT PETER SAID HERE;

Act 3:16 And his name through faith in his name

hath made this man strong,

whom ye see and know: yea,

the faith which is by him/JESUS hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#483153 Oct 18, 2013
who="Oxbow" <quoted text>
Then you have been sold a defective Bible...it contradicts itself...get a refund...
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

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He was IN THE FORM OF GOD, so He did not think it 'stealing' to be equal with Him.

KayMarie
Dan

Omaha, NE

#483154 Oct 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan" <quoted text>
Were it simple disagreement, then Christian grace would be in order.
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And there is a time when Christian grace is NOT in order?
KayMarie
Yeah.

When a minister deliberately promulgates falsehoods about the beliefs of her Christian brethren, to name one such circumstance.
ReligionMustDie

Oakland, CA

#483155 Oct 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan" <quoted text>
Were it simple disagreement, then Christian grace would be in order.
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And there is a time when Christian grace is NOT in order?
KayMarie
Did you say confrinting with the word?!!..

The Word...

Truth

Leesburg, VA

#483156 Oct 18, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
actually He said He will...future
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I WILL build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Once this corrupt sinful earth is gone, yes He will establish His church and it will consist of all those who receive Him by faith.
Chuckie,

His church has already been established....

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