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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 641766 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Michael

Canada

#482035 Oct 14, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus replied, "The Scriptures say,'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.'"
....many many other godmen who came long before Jesus said exactly the same thing, much of it written on the walls in the tombs of egypt. You should really learn about world relgions from the past. You will learn so much more than your slanted view you have today.

Shake off that FEAR you have.
Michael

Canada

#482036 Oct 14, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
And you're the same guy that said an asteroid will destroy the earth. thanks
When Jesus comes you let me know..........

No hints yet? Too bad.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#482037 Oct 14, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>It didnt come with a booklet, Honestly I guess they think everyone is smart in the field of electronics...lol
know where you are coming from.I borrowed my daughters and was receiving calls but I couldn't talk. gave it back to her.

mine is a "clam shell" type with an antennae. probably built during the War. the Civil War, that is.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#482039 Oct 14, 2013
who="Michael"]<qu oted text>
....many many other godmen who came long before Jesus said exactly the same thing, much of it written on the walls in the tombs of egypt. You should really learn about world relgions from the past. You will learn so much more than your slanted view you have today.
Shake off that FEAR you have.

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You could join up with the Hindu's who stampeded and crushed about 100 of themselves to death this week at one of their festivals. They do it every year.

Or the Muslims who hack each other's heads off...as well as anyone who believes differently than them.

These were the kinds of 'religions' that were written on the cave walls; the kinds of clans that lived in Canaan before the Jews got there. They even burned their own babies in an oven as a sacrifice to their 'god'.(God gave them 400 years to straighten up before He drove them out.)

Jesus is nothing like that sort of madness.

KayMarie
Michael

Canada

#482040 Oct 14, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Michael"]<qu oted text>
....many many other godmen who came long before Jesus said exactly the same thing, much of it written on the walls in the tombs of egypt. You should really learn about world relgions from the past. You will learn so much more than your slanted view you have today.
Shake off that FEAR you have.
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You could join up with the Hindu's who stampeded and crushed about 100 of themselves to death this week at one of their festivals. They do it every year.
Or the Muslims who hack each other's heads off...as well as anyone who believes differently than them.
These were the kinds of 'religions' that were written on the cave walls; the kinds of clans that lived in Canaan before the Jews got there. They even burned their own babies in an oven as a sacrifice to their 'god'.(God gave them 400 years to straighten up before He drove them out.)
Jesus is nothing like that sort of madness.
KayMarie
....... Did Christianity borrow ideas from other religions? If you're like me, you grew up thinking it didn't. We were taught Christianity began with a big bang—with Jesus. Jesus changed the world with ideas about God that were new and revolutionary.

.....Not so fast! Christianity doesn't come from Jesus and a big bang. It comes from the accumulation of legends, traditions and theologies by people who believed in Jesus. The origin of those ideas wasn't Jesus. The origin was the myths, legends, philosophies, prejudices, literature, superstitions, and primitive cosmology of ancient western culture. Christianity was a product of its time and place.

The same stories told about Jesus were already used by previous man/gods who are now part of our human race history.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#482041 Oct 14, 2013
who="Michael"]<qu oted text>
You need to learn about previous beliefs that came long before the Jesus story. Read up on world religions from the past. YOu will be amazed!
Praying beads were used by many belief systems long before christianity created their own version........as well as.
You already know Christmas trees and Easter eggs were originally Pagan, and you probably know the seasonal timing of the two holidays is Pagan too.
...Many ancient cultures around the Mediterranean shared standard ideas about Gods and their powers and place in the universe—and Christianity simply adopted those ideas and applied them to Jesus.
..... Ancient people knew godmen did miracles. The first Christians thought Jesus was a godman, so they told stories about Jesus doing miracles. They even had Him doing the same miracles as the other godmen that came before.
.....The core of Christianity the worship of a miracle working, walking, talking god man who brought salvation was also the core of other ancient religions that began at least a thousand years before the Jesus story. CHECK IT OUT!
........Heaven, hell, prophecy, demon possession, human/animal sacrifice, initiation by baptism, communion with God through a holy meal, the Holy Spirit, monotheism, immortality of the soul, and many other "Christian" ideas all belonged to earlier, older Pagan faiths. They were simply part of ancient Mediterranean culture.
.....Miracle working sons of God, born of a mortal woman, they were common elements of pre-Christian Pagan religion. Mithras had 'em. So did Dionysus, Attis, Osiris, and Orpheus. And more.
TRUE!
...If these earlier beliefs could have put copy writes on ALL their elements of belief, customs, traditions, christianity would have never existed.

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You read too many fairy tales, friend (re-written histories). There are such writers today; they deny Washington, Jefferson, and others of our founding fathers, saying that those men were not who/what real history shows them to be.

It is hard to 'kick against the prick'...

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#482042 Oct 14, 2013
who="Husker Du"]<quoted text>Muslims believe in the Immaculate Conception. I find that protestants disrespect the Mother of Christ. The protestant founders are responseble for this sin, the protestants now can right a wrong by believing in the truth, that Mary was conceived without sin, god had a plan for her and to carry the Savior of the world, one has to be Immaculate. Protestants do not understand this, we need to pray for them.

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So the earth sits on a turtle, on the back of a larger turtle, on the back of a larger turtle...and on and on into infinity.(and WHAT does that one sit on???)

So by your logic, Mary had to be born without sin (immaculate conception) because she could not bear Jesus otherwise. Well, the same logic says that Mary's mother, and her mother, and her mother...!

Do you get the picture?

Islam is a 'me-too' religion. They laud Jesus and Mary (they say), though they deny His place as God's Son...so they are just 'using' Him to make Islam sound legitimate.

KayMarie

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#482043 Oct 14, 2013
OldJG wrote:
What the Bible Says About Jesus' Sacrifice
We know the Roman Catholic Church teaches that Christ's sacrifice is performed perpetually in every Roman Catholic Mass. The Bible, however, teaches that His sacrifice was unquestionably a one-time event in history.
Hebrews 9:12, "Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption."
Notice the verb tense, "having obtained." The writer of the book of Hebrews is making it clear that Jesus' sacrifice was an event that happened and finished in the past.
Hebrews 7:27, "He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself."
Again, note the words "he did this once" and also the verb tenses. "He offered up himself" is an action that started and was completed in the past.
Hebrews 9:24-28, 24 "For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him."
This verse is even clearer. This passage is contrasting Jesus to the priests of the Old Testament. Under the old covenant, the human priests had to continually offer sacrifices over and over. In contrast to those earthly priests, Christ performed one single sacrifice. The Roman Catholic Church treats Christ's sacrifice like the imperfect Old Testament sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:10-14, 10 "And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified."
Notice that throughout these verses occurs the statement "once for all" which shows how perfect, complete, and final Jesus' sacrifice was! His work on the cross constituted one historic event which need never be repeated and which in fact cannot be repeated. Paul said in Romans 6:9, "We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him." Any pretense of a continuous offering for sin is worse than vain, it is blasphemy and true fulfillment of the Scripture, Hebrews 6:6, "since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame."
Despite the fact that the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus' sacrifice was a one-time event forever, the Roman Catholic church continues to teach that through the Mass, Christ is sacrificed repeatedly. Remember, Vatican II said that every Roman Catholic Mass is "a sacrifice in which the sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated."
Our salvation is not defined on what we do. Salvation is our belief in what He has already DONE!
Undeniable truth from Scripture....but to Catholics, if da pope didn't say it...it means nothing to them...they follow the pied piper..
Clay

Chicago, IL

#482044 Oct 14, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no book, chapter, verse Clay because it's a man-made doctrine. A man that was also a sinner.
Just think, some guy made this up and you all bought it!!
Well, there was no 'Chapter/verse' in any Bible until the Catholic Church decided to break down the scriptures as such in the 16th century. Just think, when Christians read the scriptures, they read the whole scriptures.. Not verse verse verse.

That's why Marian doctrines can only be seen when you consider the whole of the Bible...beginning with Genesis. When you read all the scriptures you SHOULD be able to see that God is the opposite of sin. Therefore He couldn't procreate with sin to manifest himself as Jesus Christ. You also should see that Mary bore the word of God made flesh into this world. An ark. Reading the whole of the Bible should reveal how the Ark of the covenant was a container that couldn't be looked at, touched or entered. Now, it should be clear why the new Ark, Mary, REMAINED a virgin. See how pre chapter/verse interpretations worked?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#482045 Oct 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're interested in truth (lol) you should know that Catholics do NOT believe that Christ is 'sacrificed repeatedly' at the Mass.
Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me".
Doing THIS is the Holy Mass.
He never said, "write this in remembrance of me". That's what you fundies seem to believe. But Paul warned us about you guys coming along and preaching a different gospel. Its amazing you can still functioning without the right faith. God is indeed all loving and merciful.
You have just proven that you know God as well as you know Swahili.

And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#482046 Oct 14, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no book, chapter, verse Clay because it's a man-made doctrine. A man that was also a sinner.
Just think, some guy made this up and you all bought it!!
The first half of the Hail Mary is taken right from scripture. When you pray, do you only read prayers verbatim from the bible?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#482047 Oct 14, 2013
who="Michael"]<qu oted text>
When Jesus comes you let me know..........
No hints yet? Too bad.

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Do you keep up with the news? HINTS! Even secular people are declaring that current developments match up with end-time prophecies.

Do YOU believe that Jesus will tell you in advance, when to look for Him? He said that 'no man knows the day or hour'. He also said that 'in an hour when you don't think He will come'...He will appear.

Scriptures foretold His birth...even the town where He was born...
hundreds of years before the event. The Jewish scribes and Pharisees missed it, because their logic told them that their 'king' would be born in the palace, to their king and queen.

Don't miss Him because your 'logic' doesn't fit...

KayMarie
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#482048 Oct 14, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The first half of the Hail Mary is taken right from scripture. When you pray, do you only read prayers verbatim from the bible?
this has nothing to do with what I was discussing but I'll play along.

When I pray, unlike the repetitious prayers catholics do, I do not read anything. I speak to God like He is right there with me and pray what is ever on my heart.

lol...I can remember being an alter boy. The priest would mark before hand what prayers he was going to read during mass. You know Tony...like at the beginning he reads while the alter boy holds the book. Repetitious prayers..

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#482049 Oct 14, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
So WHERE in the NT or OT do you find the words "trinity or bible, bible only, Sola Scriptura, Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed, the Canon of Scripture, etc...... You, "fundies" keep insisting that the bible is ONE and ONLY (final authority ---and---that "everything" MUST be in the bible in order for it to be true"....... Not only does the Bible (NEVER) say that, the Bible tells us that the CHURCH is the FINAL AUTHORITY...... Paul says it in his letter to Timothy in I Timothy 3:15 where he calls "THE CHURCH (not the bible alone) the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH". When there is a dispute, argument or disagreement, Paul says to "take it to the Church" (not the bible). You keep operating under a "false presupposition" (a premise you cannot prove) that (everything) MUST be in the Scriptures in order for it to be true! YET---the Scriptures (NEVER) says this nor does it ever teach such a thing!!!
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Since the man of God is "thoroughly furnished" by all scripture, inspired of God, unto good works....what else is necessary????!!!!

How can he be more "thoroughly furnished"????!!!!

thoroughly: completely

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#482050 Oct 14, 2013
OldJG wrote:
What the Bible Says About Jesus' Sacrifice
We know the Roman Catholic Church teaches that Christ's sacrifice is performed perpetually in every Roman Catholic Mass. The Bible, however, teaches that His sacrifice was unquestionably a one-time event in history.
Hebrews 9:12, "Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption."
Notice the verb tense, "having obtained." The writer of the book of Hebrews is making it clear that Jesus' sacrifice was an event that happened and finished in the past.
Hebrews 7:27, "He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself."
Again, note the words "he did this once" and also the verb tenses. "He offered up himself" is an action that started and was completed in the past.
Hebrews 9:24-28, 24 "For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him."
This verse is even clearer. This passage is contrasting Jesus to the priests of the Old Testament. Under the old covenant, the human priests had to continually offer sacrifices over and over. In contrast to those earthly priests, Christ performed one single sacrifice. The Roman Catholic Church treats Christ's sacrifice like the imperfect Old Testament sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:10-14, 10 "And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified."
Notice that throughout these verses occurs the statement "once for all" which shows how perfect, complete, and final Jesus' sacrifice was! His work on the cross constituted one historic event which need never be repeated and which in fact cannot be repeated. Paul said in Romans 6:9, "We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him." Any pretense of a continuous offering for sin is worse than vain, it is blasphemy and true fulfillment of the Scripture, Hebrews 6:6, "since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame."
Despite the fact that the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus' sacrifice was a one-time event forever, the Roman Catholic church continues to teach that through the Mass, Christ is sacrificed repeatedly. Remember, Vatican II said that every Roman Catholic Mass is "a sacrifice in which the sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated."
Our salvation is not defined on what we do. Salvation is our belief in what He has already DONE!
Very clear ..thanks,
Peter Paul and Mary

Universal City, TX

#482051 Oct 14, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
"that Mary was conceived without sin"
**Prove it
Don't have to prove anything. Just look at "In the beginning" God Created Man and Woman without sin. How you limit what God can do is beyond human and reasonable understanding!

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#482052 Oct 14, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Corinthians 16:21
21 I, Paul, write this greeting in my own hand.
2 Corinthians 1:13-14
~~~13 For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,~~~
14 as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.
2 Corinthians 13:10
10 This is why I write these things when I am absent, that when I come I may not have to be harsh in my use of authority—the authority the Lord gave me for building you up, not for tearing you down.
Galatians 6:11
11 See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!
Philippians 3:1
3 Further, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to WRITE the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you.
2 Peter 3:16
16 He WRITES the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
1 John 2:21
21 I do not WRITE to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.
1 John 5:13
13 I WRITE these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Revelation 1:11
11 which said:“WRITE on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
Also clear ..thank you
Michael

Canada

#482053 Oct 14, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Since the man of God is "thoroughly furnished" by all scripture, inspired of God, unto good works....what else is necessary????!!!!
How can he be more "thoroughly furnished"????!!!!
thoroughly: completely
....the inspired words of God???

.....ten different Christians will come up with ten different answers to the meanings of versus in the bible, and each will think that their interpretation is correct, right? So all any Christian has to do is come up with an interpretation that sounds good. Of course each Christian will say you need to interpret correctly, and they do, but the rest did not; and on, and on! it goes. Why do you think there are so many denominations and divisions in Christianity, because every one of them believes they are interpreting correctly.

If everyone had the inspired words of God there would be NO debate on this forum. There would be no reason to.


BUSTED....again!
Michael

Canada

#482054 Oct 14, 2013
Peter Paul and Mary wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't have to prove anything. Just look at "In the beginning" God Created Man and Woman without sin. How you limit what God can do is beyond human and reasonable understanding!

What was the purpose of the talking serpent story, and Eve eating from the wrong tree of knowledge if God knew long before mankind would fail?

Why create mankind with a sinful nature in the first place?

None of the Genesis stories makes any common sense.



Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#482055 Oct 14, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
this has nothing to do with what I was discussing but I'll play along.
When I pray, unlike the repetitious prayers catholics do, I do not read anything. I speak to God like He is right there with me and pray what is ever on my heart.
lol...I can remember being an alter boy. The priest would mark before hand what prayers he was going to read during mass. You know Tony...like at the beginning he reads while the alter boy holds the book. Repetitious prayers..
Most altar boys know how to spell "altar". I knew how when I was 8.

So prayer can be from the bible and not from the bible. I think people who pray the rosary are also praying from the heart. So you have a problem with Catholics saying the same prayer more than once. Have you ever prayed the same thing more than once?

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