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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 650685 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#480993 Oct 8, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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The response to Rosez was that Catholics who openly promote homosexuality are in direct defiance of the Church.
Sounds like you haven't been paying attention to the Pope's recent openness and candidness on this issue.

'"A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question:'Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?' We must always consider the person," Francis added."

It appears with your comment - you are within the 23% who disapprove his comments.

"The independent Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University poll found that support for Pope Francis' widely-reported comments is at 68 percent among American Catholics, though 23 percent have disagreed. The support was found strongly among men and women of all age groups."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/poll-pope-f...

Hatred like you put forth will be a key factor in the demise of your religion.

Keep it up sir - thanks!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#480994 Oct 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Your incredible desire to prove God's Word is fallible, is beyond understanding...
You have, again, expressed it: Whoa!! Seth was the third male born and Cain had a wife and child before Seth's birth. Hmmmm!!!
Yes.....but....how many daughters were born after Cain was born and before Seth was born????? Adam was a hundred and thirty years when Seth was born. What you are saying shows Adam disobeying the Commandment of God to be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth....that he sat there until he was one hundred and thirty years twiddling his thumbs...then fathered Seth??????
Only three children in one hundred and thirty years???? No way!!!!
I've only had one child in my many years.....you are using speculation and opinion to resolve unknowns.

But yet - there is no mention of these other children, because they never existed, or would change the story if they were included.

*sighs*

Always trying new ways to make yourSelf believe other men's tales.

Self.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#480995 Oct 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
The questions here is
TO ALL IN THIS FORUM
WHEN JESUS COMES...
WILL YOU BE CAUGHT AWAY WITH HIM..
OR
WILL YOU BE LEFT BEHIND TO GO THROUGH THE SEVEN YEARS
OF TRIBULATION THAT WILL OCCUR,
AFTER THE CATCHING AWAY OF HIS BRIDE..?
___
NEXT QUESTION
WHERE IS THE NECESSARY/PERTINENT INFORMATION FOUND...
THAT ASSURES US...THAT WE WILL BE READY...
WHEN THIS EVENT TRANSPIRES...
IS THIS INFORMATION.... FOUND IN THE CATECHISM OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH?
OR IS IT ONLY FOUND IN THE BIBLE?
~~~
MY ANSWER IS ...THE WORD OF GOD CAME FIRST...
FOR IN ALL THINGS IS THE AXIOM
IN THE BEGINNING GOD...
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 --> All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.<--
WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER?
~~~

Ignore my above post if you wish

but

IT CUTS TO THE CHASE...

WHEN ALL THE UNPRODUCTIVE AND UNPROFITABLE INFORMATION ON THIS FORUM HAS BEEN ARGUED AND FOUND OBSOLETE...

AND YOU FIND YOURSELF FACING THE FACT...

THAT

JESUS HAS COME AND GONE AND YOU ARE LEFT HERE HOPELESSLY TRAPPED

IN A CRISIS THAT HAS NO SOLUTION....

For only a short moment

YOU WILL LOOK BACK TO THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD

THAT YOU HAVE THUMBED YOU NOSES AT..

AND RUE THE DAY THAT YOU SPURNED THE TRUTH

IT IS THEN YOU WILL FACE TRUTHS WITH DESPAIR ..

BUT

THIS QUANDARY WILL ONLY TROUBLE YOUR CONSCIOUS FOR AS SHORT WHILE,

BECAUSE YOUR MIND WILL BE TURNED TO A BURNING HATED FOR GOD

AND YOU WILL BECOME PART AND PARTY TO A INQUISITION

AGAINST GOD ORCHESTRATED BY A MAN CALLED THE ANTICHRIST,

WHO WILL SUDDENLY COME ON THE SCIENCE AND HE WILL BECOME YOUR GOD..

AND YOU WILL LITERATELY DRANK THE BLOOD OF THOSE THAT ARE BEHEADED

BECAUSE THEY HAVE TURNED TO GOD...

you say you will never do it...

but

Jer_12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

IF YOU REFUSE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD NOW ...

WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN BELIEVING IN HIM WILL MEAN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR LIFE.

Human Being

Hosston, LA

#480996 Oct 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Human Being"
KayMarie:
Peace
I really enjoyed your post....Upon rereading it, I understand your desire for the Bible to be the anchor. And perhaps in a sense it is, but Jesus is the Anchor, and He is the Word of God.
I am not so sure if one who is saved, and is guided by the Holy Spirit, MUST test everything against the Bible(word of God). It is, of course very good in that respect, however, there are times and places when a person does not have access, nor is learned enough to use the Bible as the "test", in a correct fashion.
If we become to rigid, we break. There is a certain need for spontaneity when living the Christian life in Jesus Christ, when the conscience is clear, and faith is strong. There is a tendency, that I see of becoming judgmental and condescending when one holds to rigidly to sets of beliefs concerning the Bible.
If we do not give God the freedom to act in our lives, then how can God give us freedom?
I am not trying to be critical of anyone on the topix, but rather presenting my case in cautionary fashion. For I confess, in my past, I have held my beliefs in to strong a fashion for what I thought was my good and the good of others. And it was a disaster waiting to happen!
It is better to let the Holy Spirit direct oneself and others....
Peace
----------
I appreciate your concern/reasoning, but let me remind you that Jesus said that " 'they' will kill you, and think they are doing God a service'. " (The human mind can distort anything.) Many have come up with strange doctrine by trying to analyze everything with their logic.
We have all stumbled at times by blindly holding to some old 'chimney corner' scripture that we 'thought' was true. I myself have belonged to two different denominations who believed (like some Catholics) that they were the only ones going to heaven!
The Bible has miraculously endured the test for many years, and it has made this nation great.(The nation is hurting desperately today because multitudes are forsaking the wisdom of the Bible.) Don't underestimate its value.
KayMarie
confronting

KayMarie

I do read the Bible everyday. Of course, I may not be the "stereotypical" Catholic. But I invest at least 1 1/2 hours a day on reading the Bible, and another 1-2 hours a day on other religious material.

This of course is fine for me, but I consider prayer time much more important, and generally speaking put considerable more time in directly speaking with God.(Prayer for leaders is included....)

Peace

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#480997 Oct 8, 2013
marge wrote:
That is another difference in our churches, we demand one repents of their sins and has been forgiven by (God alone through Jesus), before they can become members of the 'church'.
The "DEMANDS" of Christianity.

Please post the passage(s) that has Jesus exclaiming this specific task by an individual, in order for them to be part of any congregation.

Move past teh words and understand their meanings.

Marge - we all have "crosses" to bear, and we all do this carrying in our own way. Most also correct those shortcomings on their own.

What makes you so sure that your demands are anything special?

I think you forgot to check your hatred at the door.

You should never mix emotions with belief.

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#480998 Oct 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
You are still asea...
I said it before...and here tis again....in the beginning, since only Adam/Eve were created...there had to be close kin relationships. True daughters cannot mate with daughters and procreate, but daughters can with their father!!!
Again...Cain's wife could not have been of any other descendent, because God only Created Adam/Eve!!!!
As I said, the kinship between he and his wife is unclear...she could have been a sister that was born after he left and Seth was born, but, per Scripture, she was a descendent of Adam,/Eve...after one hundred and thirty years, they were so populated that a city was needed for them...which Cain built...per Scripture...
What do U mean she could have been a sister born after he left or after Seth was born?!?!?!? The scripture clearly states that Cain had a wife before Seth was even mentioned and that he "knew" his wife when he entered the land of Nod. Even more-so, Cain was banished and most likely disowned by his family anyway which is suggestive when we examine the text where he clearly states that he was afraid of what the other "beings" would do to him if they discovered him or his whereabouts. U know, it is so much that U are unwilling to see because U've been taught all of your life to not question what is obviously questionable, sit back and let the minister tell U what he/she wants U to think, and to listen and shut up. That's the recipe for population domination and religion is a great weapon of control. As long as U never examine the texts for yourself with the smarts, understanding, and logic that has already been endowed in U, U'll never be able to free your mind enough to make sense of what U are told that is the truth. If someone tells U that they have the truth, ask as many questions as U can think of because the truth shouldn't contain any doubts or inconsistencies.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#480999 Oct 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Human Being"
(The nation is hurting desperately today because multitudes are forsaking the wisdom of the Bible.) Don't underestimate its value.
KayMarie
I disagree - many nations seem to be in trouble and many nations don't even use the Bible.

Your opinion is only that.

I for one, don't give value to the Bible at all, except in one way - it causes hatred within people, division of like followers, and due to its incompleteness has caused people to only believe in a portion of Jesus and what he taught.

Seems like you are promoting these situations as well.
Michael

Canada

#481000 Oct 8, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>The Catholic Church teaches otherwise. Many people say its okay because its cool to be for gay marriage now, if you want to be in and popular. I don't think people actually understand the sinfulness of gay marriage or pre marital sex . We all sin, Michael. We aren't supposed to go with what is popular, we are to follow our hearts, not what's in style or cool.
If we are all sinners then none of us have a right to point out sins of others, yet this goes on continuously on this forum by those that believe they are saved.

UNBELIEVABLE!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#481001 Oct 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Ignore my above post if you wish
but
IT CUTS TO THE CHASE...
WHEN ALL THE UNPRODUCTIVE AND UNPROFITABLE INFORMATION ON THIS FORUM HAS BEEN ARGUED AND FOUND OBSOLETE...
AND YOU FIND YOURSELF FACING THE FACT...
THAT
JESUS HAS COME AND GONE AND YOU ARE LEFT HERE HOPELESSLY TRAPPED
IN A CRISIS THAT HAS NO SOLUTION....
For only a short moment
YOU WILL LOOK BACK TO THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD
THAT YOU HAVE THUMBED YOU NOSES AT..
AND RUE THE DAY THAT YOU SPURNED THE TRUTH
IT IS THEN YOU WILL FACE TRUTHS WITH DESPAIR ..
BUT
THIS QUANDARY WILL ONLY TROUBLE YOUR CONSCIOUS FOR AS SHORT WHILE,
BECAUSE YOUR MIND WILL BE TURNED TO A BURNING HATED FOR GOD
AND YOU WILL BECOME PART AND PARTY TO A INQUISITION
AGAINST GOD ORCHESTRATED BY A MAN CALLED THE ANTICHRIST,
WHO WILL SUDDENLY COME ON THE SCIENCE AND HE WILL BECOME YOUR GOD..
AND YOU WILL LITERATELY DRANK THE BLOOD OF THOSE THAT ARE BEHEADED
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TURNED TO GOD...
you say you will never do it...
but
Jer_12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?
IF YOU REFUSE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD NOW ...
WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN BELIEVING IN HIM WILL MEAN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR LIFE.
~~~

IN THAT DAY ...

SUCH TRIVIA SUCH AS ...WHERE CAINS WIFE CAME FROM WILL NOT MATTER..

AND THESE THINGS THAT ARE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING,

Such as what SAINT SO & SO SAID AT SUCH & SUCH A TIME ...OR WHO IS THE SUPPOSED PATRON SAINT OF WHAT

OR WHAT ROCK YOU STOOD ON BEFORE THE RAPTURE WILL NOT COME TO MIND..

ON EARTH THERE WILL WICKEDNESS AND TRIBULATION AS HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD...

THE BIBLE SAYS

Heb_2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Heb_12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Michael

Canada

#481002 Oct 8, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>The Catholic Church teaches otherwise. Many people say its okay because its cool to be for gay marriage now, if you want to be in and popular. I don't think people actually understand the sinfulness of gay marriage or pre marital sex . We all sin, Michael. We aren't supposed to go with what is popular, we are to follow our hearts, not what's in style or cool.
The catholic church today is in deep trouble.

Most roman catholics do not attend mandatory sunday mass weekly.

MOST roman catholics use or have used forms of birth control the church says is sinful.

Most roman catholics believe celebacy of clergy should be optional, the church says NO!

Millions of roman catholics are divorced and the church screams you cannot dissolve a sacrament.

Most of the american roman catholic nuns are defying the vatican on their role in the church.

Imagine a large corporation where MOST of its employees don't follow mandatory rules/regulations?

Thats your catholic church today.

Michael

Canada

#481003 Oct 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
IN THAT DAY ...
SUCH TRIVIA SUCH AS ...WHERE CAINS WIFE CAME FROM WILL NOT MATTER..
AND THESE THINGS THAT ARE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING,
Such as what SAINT SO & SO SAID AT SUCH & SUCH A TIME ...OR WHO IS THE SUPPOSED PATRON SAINT OF WHAT
OR WHAT ROCK YOU STOOD ON BEFORE THE RAPTURE WILL NOT COME TO MIND..
ON EARTH THERE WILL WICKEDNESS AND TRIBULATION AS HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD...
THE BIBLE SAYS
Heb_2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Heb_12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Confrinting says........
SUCH TRIVIA SUCH AS ...WHERE CAINS WIFE CAME FROM WILL NOT MATTER..

AND THESE THINGS THAT ARE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING,


Michael says........You say its trivial because you DON'T have an answer.(lol)

I don't find it trivial. I want to know the answer? Please tell all of us.

....Where did Cain find his wife?
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#481004 Oct 8, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like you haven't been paying attention to the Pope's recent openness and candidness on this issue.
'"A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question:'Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?' We must always consider the person," Francis added."
It appears with your comment - you are within the 23% who disapprove his comments.
"The independent Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University poll found that support for Pope Francis' widely-reported comments is at 68 percent among American Catholics, though 23 percent have disagreed. The support was found strongly among men and women of all age groups."
http://www.christianpost.com/news/poll-pope-f...
Hatred like you put forth will be a key factor in the demise of your religion.
Keep it up sir - thanks!
Pope Francis excommunicated a priest for promoting homosexual marriage. He didn't advocate for homosexuality as you suggest. What he said is in perfect compliance with church teaching. The church reaches out to homosexuals with love and compassion as the apostles did to repent of their way. It offers support and encouragement to refrain from acting out homosexual desires. It seeks to offer comfort in Christ who can strengthen them beyond fleshly desires. All fall short of the Glory of God, but Pope Francis is not saying to hate them because they have struggles. You cannot reach someone if you cannot dialogue with them. In context he was talking about people who with a sincere heart and desire seek to do the will of God. However he is not saying its good, proper or that the church welcomes defiance of its teachings If you wish to twist what was said to conform to your self value as many in the secular media did then so be it, but it is not what he said. Many were in a huff when the Pope took action contrary to the false position you stated inserting what you wish to believe, because it never existed. However it does magnify your severe ignorance of the churches position. If they refuse to adhere to the church and try to force it to change to conform to their values and perceptions then they are not in communion with the church. Actions speak much louder than words and Pope Francis spoke loudly with his action against a defiant priest.

But thank you for yet again showing you have no clue what you are talking about. Your perfect record is in tact.
Michael

Canada

#481005 Oct 8, 2013
42,001 different christian sects, each sect claiming the very same Holy Spirit of God, guides them each to believe their own conflicting doctrine and biased belief.

......makes no common sense!
Michael

Canada

#481006 Oct 8, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Pope Francis excommunicated a priest for promoting homosexual marriage. He didn't advocate for homosexuality as you suggest. What he said is in perfect compliance with church teaching. The church reaches out to homosexuals with love and compassion as the apostles did to repent of their way. It offers support and encouragement to refrain from acting out homosexual desires. It seeks to offer comfort in Christ who can strengthen them beyond fleshly desires. All fall short of the Glory of God, but Pope Francis is not saying to hate them because they have struggles. You cannot reach someone if you cannot dialogue with them. In context he was talking about people who with a sincere heart and desire seek to do the will of God. However he is not saying its good, proper or that the church welcomes defiance of its teachings If you wish to twist what was said to conform to your self value as many in the secular media did then so be it, but it is not what he said. Many were in a huff when the Pope took action contrary to the false position you stated inserting what you wish to believe, because it never existed. However it does magnify your severe ignorance of the churches position. If they refuse to adhere to the church and try to force it to change to conform to their values and perceptions then they are not in communion with the church. Actions speak much louder than words and Pope Francis spoke loudly with his action against a defiant priest.
But thank you for yet again showing you have no clue what you are talking about. Your perfect record is in tact.
Dust storm says..........Pope Francis excommunicated a priest for promoting homosexual marriage.

Michael says.....Pope Francis just two months ago stated......"WHO AM I TO JUDGE"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-234897...

..If the Pope excommunicated every roman catholic, every priest/bishop/cardinal who is Gay, the catholic church would be in crisis mode immediately.



....

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#481007 Oct 8, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Confrinting says........
SUCH TRIVIA SUCH AS ...WHERE CAINS WIFE CAME FROM WILL NOT MATTER..
AND THESE THINGS THAT ARE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING,
Michael says........You say its trivial because you DON'T have an answer.(lol)
I don't find it trivial. I want to know the answer? Please tell all of us.
....Where did Cain find his wife?
THE TRIVIA HAS AN ANSWER...

Gen_5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

NO ONE KNOWS HOW OLD THE CAIN WAS WHEN HE WENT TO THE LAND OF NOE

Gen_4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

ALL THESE YEARS ADAM AND EVER WERE HAVING OTHER CHILDREN..WHO WERE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLYING THE INHERITANCE OF THE EARTH.

WHEN CAIN KNEW HIS WIFE...

Gen_4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

CAIN COULD HAVE HAD AS MANY WIVES AS HE WANTED AND ALL OF THE DISTANT KIN..

A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN BE BORN IN A PERIOD OF 930 YEARS...
Clay

Chicago, IL

#481008 Oct 8, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Facts are Facts.
Sola Scriptura and the Early Church
By William Webster
http://www.christiantruth.com/solascriptura.h ...
Is Sola Scriptura a Protestant Concoction?
A Biblical Defense of Sola Scriptura
by Dr. Greg Bahnsen
http://www.christiantruth.com/bahnsen.html
Is the Bible Alone Sufficient for Spiritual Truth?
http://www.carm.org/catholic/biblesufficient ....
Are the Scriptures Sufficient?
http://www.carm.org/catholic/scripture_suffic ...
The Authority of Scripture
http://www.the-highway.com/scripture1_Webster ...
What Do We Mean by
Sola Scriptura?
by Dr. W. Robert Godfrey
http://www.the-highway.com/Sola_Scriptura_God ...
I'm sorry, but if I were to go over those pamphlets, it still wouldn't solve the underlying problem: who is the infallible authority to decide which books are Biblical and who's interpretations are the truth?
You can NOT have an infallible collection of books, with NO infallible authority to interpret them.

As I've pointed out earlier, born agains believe the Holy Spirit interprets it for them (after their alter call). How come they don't come to the same conclusions??

Sola Scripture opens up an abyss of a mess. Its a man made doctrine and is evident by men like you... Who have come and gone since the Bible was published in 1452. No two generations have preached the same Christianity since. Doesn't that alarm you in the least?
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#481009 Oct 8, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Dust storm says..........Pope Francis excommunicated a priest for promoting homosexual marriage.
Michael says.....Pope Francis just two months ago stated......"WHO AM I TO JUDGE"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-234897...
..If the Pope excommunicated every roman catholic, every priest/bishop/cardinal who is Gay, the catholic church would be in crisis mode immediately.
....
Again you took it out of context and inserted what you wanted to believe he said as the media so often does. That myth was destroyed but yet not a peep from mainstream media. In context was explained above, but your comprehension is more along the lines of see spot run. Just keep saying I think I can Mikey and then maybe someday by a true miracle you will be able to comprehend something beyond your obsessive compulsion to remain clueless.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#481010 Oct 8, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Confrinting says........
SUCH TRIVIA SUCH AS ...WHERE CAINS WIFE CAME FROM WILL NOT MATTER..
AND THESE THINGS THAT ARE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING,
Michael says........You say its trivial because you DON'T have an answer.(lol)
I don't find it trivial. I want to know the answer? Please tell all of us.
....Where did Cain find his wife?
Again???

Most likely his,sister ...

But CONFRINT IS,CORRECT .

SHOULD,WE BE DEEMED WORTHY through the,BLOOD,OF our SAVIOUR...WE,shall
Know the answers,we,seek in the,afterlife ..if God,wills it..

I imagine there are whole libraries,of earth events,.

Arguing about who mated, did,Mary have children...how old is,the earth.

All mysteries,we,cannot Know for sure,.

The,ONLY Surety is,Christ gave His,life ..took our sins,to the,Cross..satisfied Gods,perfect JUSTICE FOR US ....
ONLY HIS,BLOOD WASHES US .

That should be your focus,if you really are,interested in truth ..

In my opinion.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#481011 Oct 8, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
To Clay....several times...with no response....
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Since the man of God is "thoroughly furnished" by all scripture, inspired of God, unto good works....what else is necessary????!!!!
How can he be more "thoroughly furnished"????!!!!
thoroughly: completely
- several times its been pointed out to you and the other fundies on here.. When Paul wrote that letter to Timothy, he was speaking of the OT Books. Exactly WHICH OT Books should be the only concern of yours. He likely was telling Timothy to search Tobit, Sirach, Maccabbees ...

Just this Sunday, the rector of the Cathedral have a nice homily directing us to do the same. Pray, read the scriptures, and reflect. At no time did it occur to anyone to 'read the scriptures and form our own doctrines'. Thats the fundie interpretations of Pauls letter. Its madness. You're nuts if you think the Apostles directed the folks to grab a Bible and have at it! Christ didn't die so you guys can lead everyone on a scavenger hunt using some of the Bible.
Our Lord started a Church. Period.
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#481012 Oct 8, 2013
Michael wrote:
42,001 different christian sects, each sect claiming the very same Holy Spirit of God, guides them each to believe their own conflicting doctrine and biased belief.
......makes no common sense!
I will respond again to those that like using the 33000, 42000 or 42001

figure.

For starters the list is from the Christian Encyclopedia

How they get the 33 or 42 numbers is the same jsut different year.

The Facts and Stats on "33,000 Denominations"

Independents (about 22000)
Protestants (about 9000)
"Marginals" (about 1600)
Orthodox (781)
Roman Catholics (242)
Anglicans (168)

Denominations. A denomination is defined in this Encyclopedia as an organized aggregate of worship centers or congregations of similar ecclesiastical tradition within a specific country; i.e. as an organized Christian church or tradition or religious group or community of believers, within a specific country, whose component congregations and members are called by the same denominational name in different areas, regarding themselves as one autonomous

The key word here is autonomous.

So for example in Canada A Lutheran congregation that has a senior's home attached and a Somali refugee outreach program as my Mom's family church does for tax purposes has separated it self and made itself Autonomous and thus counted as one of the 9000 along with many other Lutheran churches that do the same and then all counted separate when in different countries as they file again autonomous country taxes.

YET THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME STATEMENT OF FAITH
AND IN FACT THE STATEMENT OF FAITHS OF PROTESTANT CONGREGATIONS AND THE INDEPENDENTS ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME EXCEPT LIKE MORMONS, JW'S ETC.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize this number is basic fiction grossly miss represents the common ground they share.

This by no means represents that there 42000 divisions especially in light of the Fact Protestants from many backgrounds pray eat and worship together in many different interdenominational functions.
It represents differences and yes in some cases big ones but the vast majority are regional, ethnicity, and language reasons.
Mennonites and Lutherans share virtually 99% the same beliefs, but when Dutch immigrates to North America as did Germans do to language and cultural issues they formed their own sects.

We are all Christians.

So basically anyone use this number as some sort of ammunition to say see they can't agree is well being deceitful disingenuous or simply quoting a number with out any knowledge of how the number was arrived at.

But Hey is it not interesting that before the Reformation and one Protestant sect existed there were already about 1000 just within the so called Universal Church all calling themselves the one Catholic Church.

SO INSTEAD OF ORTHODOX AND RCC POINTING THE FINGERS WHY DON'T THEY SHOW US HOW TO DO UNITY. SO FAR NOT SO GOOD.
SHOW US HOW ROME IS MAKING PEACE WITH THE EASTERN ORTHODOX.

The RCC has had a 1000 years to do it and failed, so she is the last to start pointing fingers, talk about the pot call the porcelain black. If Rome can't end the Schism with her So called Apostle of Rome and so called 2000 years of holy tradition then she is found empty and full of it.

Yeesssh

FOR MORE GOTO
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a106.htm

OH p.s.

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