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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 703852 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#479337 Sep 30, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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That's nice, but why are you addressing this to me? I think you have me confused with someone else.
Nothing special, just another confirmation to you, showing how your co-patriot, hojo, believes, versus your belief.

Two different Catholics, believing two different things, that's all.

Skip on by it, if you want.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#479338 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Mary was a human being, correct? This requires a yes or no answer.
Anthony MN wrote:
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Yes. She needed a Saviour like all other human beings.
Your turn; Do human beings who are without sin need a Saviour?
Two more things for you AnthonyMN.....

1. I Corinthians 15:22, "For as in Adam ALL DIE, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."

2. How many people did Mary appear to in her flesh after her death?

3. Luke 7:28, "I tell you, among those born of women NONE is greater than John. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." This is Jesus speaking. Why did Jesus say there is NONE among those born of women greater than John? Did Jesus ever meet his mother Mary? Of course. We know He did. If Mary was without sin why would Jesus describe John, and not Mary, as none greater born of women? By the words of Jesus He describes John the Baptist as greater than His own mother.

4. Psalm 14:3, "They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one."

Romans 3:10-11, 10 "as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."

Romans 3:23, "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard."

This verse could be written as follows to fit your Roman Catholic theology. "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of Jesus glorious standard."

You do believe Jesus is God.....right?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#479339 Sep 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The Blessed Virgin.
Are babies and the mentally handicapped without sin?
Most sins are learned.

And since so many babies don't really comprehend doing wrong, your questions seems to have some appendages attached to it, that you have yet to reveal how they relate.

Since mentally handicapped persons also may not be taught to sin, then they would be basically the same.

Oh wait, you are hung up on the "Adam and Eve" sin - that you think the sins of the father is applied to the sons.

Go on believing you continuously sin, how else will you get saved if you don't admit it, huh?

*sighs*

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#479340 Sep 30, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

"the TRUE interpretation of the bible, that was finalized in 382, 393, and 397AD by the Early Church Fathers."
To Regina - yeah - hojo never says that it was changed.....he just willingly agress that the doctrine was "finalized" in the late 4th C.
If you read history, you would agree as well.
Men deciding then, upon what you are to believe today.
Self.
No religion required.
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
That's nice, but why are you addressing this to me? I think you have me confused with someone else.
BTW - since we know that Iraneaus didn't live in the 4th C., and instead died in the 3rd C., why haven't you or the other Catholics corrected hojo in his understadning of the Early Fathers?

You must believe him too, huh?

Okay, I'll continue to correct him, since you won't.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#479341 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Bible tells us of an "all the more important" salvation? Where might I find the Biblical verse that describes the salvation of Mary as an "all the more important" method? By the way, what is an
"all the more important" method of salvation and how does it differ from the salvation of any other human being?
<quoted text>
Cly, thank you once again for sharing your ignorance. It is obvious you have never cracked a Bible. Keep believing Rome instead of the word of God and let me know what the Bible has to say about such a person.
You said, quote, "God needed to procreate with a female in order to manifest Himself as a human being. Do you need a Bible verse where it says that?" End quote.
God did not need a female. He chose to USE a female. He chose to be made in our likeness minus sin.
You said, quote, "God can not mix His DNA With sin in order to create the perfect manifestation of Himself. Sin and God are separate. Do you demand a Bible verse for that too?" End quote.
God did not mix His blood with the blood of Mary. Not at all. The DNA of Jesus is Divine. The only Divine DNA from the Holy Spirit. You tell us Mary's mother was without sin therefore Mary was without sin. You are so stupid it is beyond belief.
You said, quote, "Maybe you ought to provide the list that Jesus Christ said we are to put in the Bible in order to base all His teachings on." End quote.
The Bible tells us.....
II Timothy 3:1617, 16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"You are so stupid it is beyond belief."
Do they teach this in your deacon school?
From whom did Jesus receive His human nature?
You said, quote, "From whom did Jesus receive His human nature?" End quote.

Try reading before you open your mouth and insert both feet...

Colossians 1:15-17, 15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

So please tell us.....who created the human form of Jesus? Mary? First,we human beings do not and have not ever created anything. Your parents did not create you because if they did they are God. Parents perpetuate life. They do not create life. Understand. Second, there is only ONE CREATOR. This Creator created two human beings in the beginning and all of human kind are their descendants.
ReginaM

Bloomfield, NJ

#479342 Sep 30, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing special, just another confirmation to you, showing how your co-patriot, hojo, believes, versus your belief.
Two different Catholics, believing two different things, that's all.
Skip on by it, if you want.
Well, I doubt it, but I'm not really interested enough to look into it. I will say this, however, since a few others here have tried to pull that same little number thinking it's a "gottcha" because we always point out the fact that there is so much chaos and disagreement in protestantism.......It's not the same thing. We don't go out and open up our own ecclesial gathering space, starting yet another denomination the way the fundies do. It also depends on what the person disagrees with. If I have time, I'll read his post in a bit.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#479343 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Bible tells us of an "all the more important" salvation? Where might I find the Biblical verse that describes the salvation of Mary as an "all the more important" method? By the way, what is an
"all the more important" method of salvation and how does it differ from the salvation of any other human being?
<quoted text>
Cly, thank you once again for sharing your ignorance. It is obvious you have never cracked a Bible. Keep believing Rome instead of the word of God and let me know what the Bible has to say about such a person.
You said, quote, "God needed to procreate with a female in order to manifest Himself as a human being. Do you need a Bible verse where it says that?" End quote.
God did not need a female. He chose to USE a female. He chose to be made in our likeness minus sin.
You said, quote, "God can not mix His DNA With sin in order to create the perfect manifestation of Himself. Sin and God are separate. Do you demand a Bible verse for that too?" End quote.
God did not mix His blood with the blood of Mary. Not at all. The DNA of Jesus is Divine. The only Divine DNA from the Holy Spirit. You tell us Mary's mother was without sin therefore Mary was without sin. You are so stupid it is beyond belief.
You said, quote, "Maybe you ought to provide the list that Jesus Christ said we are to put in the Bible in order to base all His teachings on." End quote.
The Bible tells us.....
II Timothy 3:1617, 16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
"You are so stupid it is beyond belief."
Wangling for another dinner invitation? Or is this a stoning??
Hey stupid, if I want any garbage from you I WILL SQUEEZE YOUR HEAD! Go back to the hole you live in.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#479344 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Mary was a human being, correct? This requires a yes or no answer.
<quoted text>
Two more things for you AnthonyMN.....
1. I Corinthians 15:22, "For as in Adam ALL DIE, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."
2. How many people did Mary appear to in her flesh after her death?
3. Luke 7:28, "I tell you, among those born of women NONE is greater than John. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." This is Jesus speaking. Why did Jesus say there is NONE among those born of women greater than John? Did Jesus ever meet his mother Mary? Of course. We know He did. If Mary was without sin why would Jesus describe John, and not Mary, as none greater born of women? By the words of Jesus He describes John the Baptist as greater than His own mother.
4. Psalm 14:3, "They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one."
Romans 3:10-11, 10 "as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
Romans 3:23, "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard."
This verse could be written as follows to fit your Roman Catholic theology. "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of Jesus glorious standard."
You do believe Jesus is God.....right?
Typo....there are obviously more than "two" things.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#479345 Sep 30, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Most sins are learned.
And since so many babies don't really comprehend doing wrong, your questions seems to have some appendages attached to it, that you have yet to reveal how they relate.
Since mentally handicapped persons also may not be taught to sin, then they would be basically the same.
Oh wait, you are hung up on the "Adam and Eve" sin - that you think the sins of the father is applied to the sons.
Go on believing you continuously sin, how else will you get saved if you don't admit it, huh?
*sighs*
In Adam ALL DIE!
ReginaM

Bloomfield, NJ

#479346 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Bible tells us of an "all the more important" salvation? Where might I find the Biblical verse that describes the salvation of Mary as an "all the more important" method? By the way, what is an
"all the more important" method of salvation and how does it differ from the salvation of any other human being?
<quoted text>
Cly, thank you once again for sharing your ignorance. It is obvious you have never cracked a Bible. Keep believing Rome instead of the word of God and let me know what the Bible has to say about such a person.
You said, quote, "God needed to procreate with a female in order to manifest Himself as a human being. Do you need a Bible verse where it says that?" End quote.
God did not need a female. He chose to USE a female. He chose to be made in our likeness minus sin.
You said, quote, "God can not mix His DNA With sin in order to create the perfect manifestation of Himself. Sin and God are separate. Do you demand a Bible verse for that too?" End quote.
God did not mix His blood with the blood of Mary. Not at all. The DNA of Jesus is Divine. The only Divine DNA from the Holy Spirit. You tell us Mary's mother was without sin therefore Mary was without sin. You are so stupid it is beyond belief.
You said, quote, "Maybe you ought to provide the list that Jesus Christ said we are to put in the Bible in order to base all His teachings on." End quote.
The Bible tells us.....
II Timothy 3:1617, 16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
<quoted text>
Hey stupid, if I want any garbage from you I WILL SQUEEZE YOUR HEAD! Go back to the hole you live in.
Said the Baptist Evangelical Fundamentalist "deacon".

What a coward. But you have no idea how happy I am right now!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#479347 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Mary was a human being, correct? This requires a yes or no answer.
<quoted text>
Two more things for you AnthonyMN.....
1. I Corinthians 15:22, "For as in Adam ALL DIE, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."
2. How many people did Mary appear to in her flesh after her death?
3. Luke 7:28, "I tell you, among those born of women NONE is greater than John. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." This is Jesus speaking. Why did Jesus say there is NONE among those born of women greater than John? Did Jesus ever meet his mother Mary? Of course. We know He did. If Mary was without sin why would Jesus describe John, and not Mary, as none greater born of women? By the words of Jesus He describes John the Baptist as greater than His own mother.
4. Psalm 14:3, "They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one."
Romans 3:10-11, 10 "as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
Romans 3:23, "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard."
This verse could be written as follows to fit your Roman Catholic theology. "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of Jesus glorious standard."
You do believe Jesus is God.....right?
1. True
2. None that I know of. We don't teach that she did.
3. "Yet the one who is least in the kingdom is greater than he". True, like possibly the lowly handmaid of The Lord.
4. None? Even babies and the mentally handicapped?

Yes, I believe Jesus is God.

Do they teach you to call people stupid in your deacon school?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#479348 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Bible tells us of an "all the more important" salvation? Where might I find the Biblical verse that describes the salvation of Mary as an "all the more important" method? By the way, what is an
"all the more important" method of salvation and how does it differ from the salvation of any other human being?
<quoted text>
Cly, thank you once again for sharing your ignorance. It is obvious you have never cracked a Bible. Keep believing Rome instead of the word of God and let me know what the Bible has to say about such a person.
You said, quote, "God needed to procreate with a female in order to manifest Himself as a human being. Do you need a Bible verse where it says that?" End quote.
God did not need a female. He chose to USE a female. He chose to be made in our likeness minus sin.
You said, quote, "God can not mix His DNA With sin in order to create the perfect manifestation of Himself. Sin and God are separate. Do you demand a Bible verse for that too?" End quote.
God did not mix His blood with the blood of Mary. Not at all. The DNA of Jesus is Divine. The only Divine DNA from the Holy Spirit. You tell us Mary's mother was without sin therefore Mary was without sin. You are so stupid it is beyond belief.
You said, quote, "Maybe you ought to provide the list that Jesus Christ said we are to put in the Bible in order to base all His teachings on." End quote.
The Bible tells us.....
II Timothy 3:1617, 16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
<quoted text>
You said, quote, "From whom did Jesus receive His human nature?" End quote.
Try reading before you open your mouth and insert both feet...
Colossians 1:15-17, 15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
So please tell us.....who created the human form of Jesus? Mary? First,we human beings do not and have not ever created anything. Your parents did not create you because if they did they are God. Parents perpetuate life. They do not create life. Understand. Second, there is only ONE CREATOR. This Creator created two human beings in the beginning and all of human kind are their descendants.
Why did the archangel Gabriel relay the message from God that she would conceive Jesus in her womb if she didn't contribute anything? God can do anything so why didn't Jesus just appear out if thin air? I mean, that would have astounded people as much as the virgin birth.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#479349 Sep 30, 2013
How come Matthew Mark Luke John all say the same thing and agree with each other, but their so-called first disciples don't all agree and didn't all write the same things?
Clay

Lawrence, MA

#479350 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Bible tells us of an "all the more important" salvation? Where might I find the Biblical verse that describes the salvation of Mary as an "all the more important" method? By the way, what is an
"all the more important" method of salvation and how does it differ from the salvation of any other human being?
<quoted text>
Cly, thank you once again for sharing your ignorance. It is obvious you have never cracked a Bible. Keep believing Rome instead of the word of God and let me know what the Bible has to say about such a person.
You said, quote, "God needed to procreate with a female in order to manifest Himself as a human being. Do you need a Bible verse where it says that?" End quote.
God did not need a female. He chose to USE a female. He chose to be made in our likeness minus sin.
You said, quote, "God can not mix His DNA With sin in order to create the perfect manifestation of Himself. Sin and God are separate. Do you demand a Bible verse for that too?" End quote.
God did not mix His blood with the blood of Mary. Not at all. The DNA of Jesus is Divine. The only Divine DNA from the Holy Spirit. You tell us Mary's mother was without sin therefore Mary was without sin. You are so stupid it is beyond belief.
You said, quote, "Maybe you ought to provide the list that Jesus Christ said we are to put in the Bible in order to base all His teachings on." End quote.
The Bible tells us.....
II Timothy 3:1617, 16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
<quoted text>
Hey stupid, if I want any garbage from you I WILL SQUEEZE YOUR HEAD! Go back to the hole you live in.
Wow. your demeanor is that of someone who's having trouble sustaining a lie. If you were presenting truth, like we Catholics are, there would be no need to continuously call everyone stupid, idiot, moron, dumb.
2Tim 3:16 is not nor ever was, endorsing Bible alone. It does not say Bible alone. You're saying it, but the verse isn't.
Besides, Paul was speaking of the OT Books, including the 7 you guys removed.
Christians didn't have a Bible yet. Paul wasn't done writing the rest of his letters. Peter didn't write yet.. That's what truth is, oldgee. You should try embracing it for once.
Give me verse where Jesus gives the list of inspired Books. There isn't a list is there? That fact alone debunks sola scripture, because you would need to go outside of scripture to get the list. That means it takes an earthly infallible authority to decide on a list of inspired Books. Its common sense Ol g.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479351 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
In Adam ALL DIE!
You wrote:

In Adam, all die (PHYSICAL)......

BUT,

In Jesus, all live (SPIRITUAL)......
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#479352 Sep 30, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Bible tells us of an "all the more important" salvation? Where might I find the Biblical verse that describes the salvation of Mary as an "all the more important" method? By the way, what is an
"all the more important" method of salvation and how does it differ from the salvation of any other human being?
<quoted text>
Cly, thank you once again for sharing your ignorance. It is obvious you have never cracked a Bible. Keep believing Rome instead of the word of God and let me know what the Bible has to say about such a person.
You said, quote, "God needed to procreate with a female in order to manifest Himself as a human being. Do you need a Bible verse where it says that?" End quote.
God did not need a female. He chose to USE a female. He chose to be made in our likeness minus sin.
You said, quote, "God can not mix His DNA With sin in order to create the perfect manifestation of Himself. Sin and God are separate. Do you demand a Bible verse for that too?" End quote.
God did not mix His blood with the blood of Mary. Not at all. The DNA of Jesus is Divine. The only Divine DNA from the Holy Spirit. You tell us Mary's mother was without sin therefore Mary was without sin. You are so stupid it is beyond belief.
You said, quote, "Maybe you ought to provide the list that Jesus Christ said we are to put in the Bible in order to base all His teachings on." End quote.
The Bible tells us.....
II Timothy 3:1617, 16, "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
<quoted text>
Hey stupid, if I want any garbage from you I WILL SQUEEZE YOUR HEAD! Go back to the hole you live in.
Where do you go church?
Chuck

Sunbury, OH

#479353 Sep 30, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. your demeanor is that of someone who's having trouble sustaining a lie. If you were presenting truth, like we Catholics are, there would be no need to continuously call everyone stupid, idiot, moron, dumb.
2Tim 3:16 is not nor ever was, endorsing Bible alone. It does not say Bible alone. You're saying it, but the verse isn't.
Besides, Paul was speaking of the OT Books, including the 7 you guys removed.
Christians didn't have a Bible yet. Paul wasn't done writing the rest of his letters. Peter didn't write yet.. That's what truth is, oldgee. You should try embracing it for once.
Give me verse where Jesus gives the list of inspired Books. There isn't a list is there? That fact alone debunks sola scripture, because you would need to go outside of scripture to get the list. That means it takes an earthly infallible authority to decide on a list of inspired Books. Its common sense Ol g.
I haven`t been on here in days and the first thing I read is Clay the Clown.

Tell me..did you call Confront an idiot maybe a week ago? Tell me you didn't please so I can catch you in a lie...again.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#479354 Sep 30, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
As I have told you before Ox, your BIBLE ONLY Protestant lies, the distortion of the truth, the deceit,and the manipulation and twisting of the TRUTH of the bible and TRUE Church History ARE ALL YOURS!!! YOU CAN HAVE IT!!! I have heard it ALL for over 35 years as a bible only Protestant. You can go "wade in the muck" of your bible only lies with the rest of your 42,000 contradicting (mis-guided) fundies.'''''' I/we as Catholics will continue to rely on the TRUTH of AUTHENTICATED BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL TRUTH that continues to remain as TRUTH for over 2000 years of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!!
As I showed you, when you said the caticks had not changed any teaching in faith and morals, you lied....

"I/we as Catholics will continue to rely on the TRUTH of AUTHENTICATED BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL TRUTH that continues to remain as TRUTH for over 2000 years of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!!"

You are consistent!!!! Keep on keeping on calling your pope a liar!!!! Ah love it!!!!!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#479355 Sep 30, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Your link is bad. No, he didn't change anything.
Why was artificial contraception considered a sin in all protestant sects until the 1930's and now it's no biggie?
Birth Control | Catholic Answers
www.catholic.com/tracts/birth-control&#82... ;
Few realize that up until 1930, all Protestant denominations agreed with the Catholic Church's teaching condemning contraception as sinful.

Seems to me, when catlicks condemn the use of condoms and the pope says it is OK to use them, constitutes a change!!!!!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#479356 Sep 30, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I doubt it, but I'm not really interested enough to look into it. I will say this, however, since a few others here have tried to pull that same little number thinking it's a "gottcha" because we always point out the fact that there is so much chaos and disagreement in protestantism.......It's not the same thing. We don't go out and open up our own ecclesial gathering space, starting yet another denomination the way the fundies do. It also depends on what the person disagrees with. If I have time, I'll read his post in a bit.
You wonderfully explain away truth with "I doubt it".

Really?

At least hojo took the time to research the truth.

BTW - don't bother reading his post, because you'll get more information from this doing the research yourself.

You do want to understand your religion, right?

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