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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Perth, Australia

#479173 Sep 29, 2013

Since: Dec 11

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#479174 Sep 29, 2013
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Limbo never been a defined part of the faith but being taught in Catholic schools through the 1950s.

Article: Catholic Church Casts Aside Theory On State Of Limbo

Refers to: Monsignor William H. Shannon of Rochester, N.Y: Jesuit weekly magazine America

THAT THINKING IS AN ABOUT-FACE FROM WHAT WAS BEING TAUGHT IN CATHOLIC SCHOOLS THROUGH THE 1950S.

"It must be clearly understood that the child dying without baptism is lost. He is not in some midway state between salvation and damnation," wrote a contributor to an authorized textbook widely used in Catholic universities, "The Teaching of the Catholic Church," edited by George D. Smith. The contributing author, the Rev. B.V. Miller, called the teaching on limbo "part of the defined Catholic faith."
Most theologians today dispute that opinion.
"He is wrong. Limbo has never been a defined part of the faith. There has never been a dogmatic definition of limbo," said the Rev. Richard P. McBrien, a priest from Hartford who teaches theology at the University of Notre Dame and author of "Catholicism," a summary of church teaching.

http://articles.courant.com/1993-10-30/news/0...
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#479175 Sep 29, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I read your link and that was dated 2007. So that means up until 2007 there was a limbo then.So rose is correct.After 2007 the catholic church did away with it. That's what this link says...correct?
Nobody here ever claimed the church did not teach Limbo we said it was never a Dogma and she said it was an infallable teaching that changed.

It came about when Augustine was arguing against the Pelegians who said they could merit sinless on their own. Augustine believed in Original sin. Augustine however did not say all babies would go to hell. Truly I tell you that unless you are born of water and spirit you cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven. So born into original sin which most

Most Protestants believe a baby was not guilty of sins they themselves committed but would have original sin. It was speculated that their may be another place. St Thomas acquainas and others argued various points. It was debated for a very long time. Rather than stating that which had no answer they searched scripture and Holy Tradition and debated. It was never formally declared something that must be believed. Some argued a place where no suffering occured but not heaven. Others argued for this but at the judgment God would bring those who were his in full. The arguments and searchign was plentiful. A commission was established to finalize this speculation long overdue with a vast study of all the arugments. The pope along with the Bishops decided it was not something that could be found in Holy Tradition nor had it been revealed within the deposit of the Faith once given. Thus this theological debate ended and it is declared that we leave it in the hands of a Just and merciful God. There is plenty of arugment to be made for a child to enter the Kingdom of heaven but not explicitly. Some argued that simply a sincere desire of faith by the parents would be enough. God knew you in the womb so it is up to him. It was never accepted by many in the church that no baby could enter heaven, but limbo was not hell. It is not without merit that some may have taught this wrongly as something that must be believed, but then they would have been mistaken. In the End Limbo is no worse as there would be no suffering and they could be restored on the last day. We also objected to her insinuation that the church abadoned Genesis in favor of evolution or that it required to believe 6 days or that it has said the earth is x years old. I sighted Galileo as an example. The church doesnt makes infallible science claims. I rather said it would be better to find how the bible can be in confomity to facts when they are revealed in science. As Galileo in his later years said paraphrased it is not that the bible is wrong it is mans interpretation of it.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479176 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You radical fanaticals critique limbo (which btw you use the fundie code of deception to teach what the cc teaches about it) anyway, you seem to ignore the fact that you teach that all Muslims, Jews, Catholics and everyone else who God loves are going to Hell for not being born again according to your definition of 'born again'. so really, limbo is hardly an issue given the fact that you just condemned everyone but the inhabitants of your compound to hell anyway.
To bad for the first 1900 yrs of Christianity. Everyone had the wrong Gospel until Rose, Concerned in Egypt, Preston, Confrint and Old Gee were able to decipher the real Christianity using careful Bible study classes. That's exactly like I would have conveyed my important message of salvation if I was Jesus...through the likes of you guys! lol.
...

SHOW,ME WHERE I SAI ALL CATHOLUCD,ARE GOING TO HE'LL.

I HAVE SAID. consistently many CATHOLUCS are true believers,..That John.PAUL is,a,saint in my eyes,

It's up to Jesus,to judge our belief ..And I have said that too

It's,not a,formula,,say this your saved ...get thus,sacraments your saved ...

Jesus,said we must be born AGain into true belief ..no.matter how you name it .it's,not ritual ..it's not altar,call..though people may be saved while doing both ..ITS,JESUS ..OUR BELIEF ..OUR HEARTS OUR SOUL..

ONE BY ONE
..the same as Jesus,did ...looking into each person's, eyes ...

.

You people keep putting words in MY MOUTH ..

Show me u Saud you folks,ate NOT saved ..I.do not believe it ..I do not know your heart . ONLY JESUS,KNOWS..

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#479177 Sep 29, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks.
The whole thing became unbelievable to me ..when by FAITH I was born again....realizing ALL SIN WENT TO THE CROSS..the,CUP WAS,our sin .
It is,finished ..The,PRICE HAS BEEN PAID ..
But I definitely was,taught ..limbo ..for babies,.
NOW,IF THE POPE CAME OUT changing something ..OBVIOUSLY..IT HAD BEEN DIFFERENT ..
WHAT A,CONCEPT..
AND GOOD FOR HIM....GOD BLESS HIM FOR THAT..
VATICAN 2 was,a big change ..things change all the time ..
I do not know why on earth..his,is,so hard for them to get ..to he point They lump he beliefs,taught a CHILD ..to lump.me with Pelosi ..And abortion advocate .
Sounds,like desperation ..why is,changing Church teachings,such a,threat
Quite frankly..I had decided yesterday I do not wish to discuss their,CHURCH
BUT I will not be called a,liar nor a Pelosi
I'm not a,Catholic ..I cannot be a,Catholic in name only
I was a young CATHOLUC taught by nuns..did everything I was,supposed,..to.
I feel closer to Jesus,now than I ever did ..
None if tat means,I was lying .
We paid for pagan babies,too ..5 dollars,..we could name them ..
It was,a good charity ..the name today is not politically correct ..
We,were,taught six actual days,for Creation ..the morning and the,evening and the next morning ....
Live with it!!!!! Women ..who bear false witness and,move on ..
NOT YOU SERA,.
I believe you and I will tell you why. When my daughter died my neighbor who was catholic and from the Phillipenes.She prayed for my daughter 24/7 and she told me it was because my daughter was in limbo because she was not baptized. She was 6 years old..Things in the catholic church are changing with this new pope and the Traditional catholics are not to please about them changes.GBU

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479178 Sep 29, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>again, this is part of future Prophecy and can lead to some problems with different opinions as we now see concerning this "woman".
My opinion and anyone can disagree and provide Biblical proof is they so choose.
there will be TWO witnesses(and no I don't believe it will be Enoch, Elijah, Moses or any other Biblical character.
It will be TWO men that are left behind after the Rapture occurs, they will Preach in Israel and those 144,000 will hear and believe, and Preach to the jewish people after those two men are killed.
after that, Israel(the woman) will flee into the wilderness,many believing it to be in the area of Petra, when she is attacked from all sides by the arab states.
That is how I see it and how this "woman" is shown to be a sign, as it is given to us in that Book.
Thanks,Preston ...

My guess,was,Enoch and Elijah ..since it is,given to msn to due once and they die ...But they didn't before .

But it could be someone alive then also ..we will know when it happens,..
Clay

Detroit, MI

#479179 Sep 29, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>don't pat any attention to what marge the alpha male says. one time she said that GIF and myself were taught by satan himself.
and all just because we don't believe as she believes
What??@*#&%? what do you have against her beliefs, Preston?

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479180 Sep 29, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I believe you and I will tell you why. When my daughter died my neighbor who was catholic and from the Phillipenes.She prayed for my daughter 24/7 and she told me it was because my daughter was in limbo because she was not baptized. She was 6 years old..Things in the catholic church are changing with this new pope and the Traditional catholics are not to please about them changes.GBU
A six year old???

Jesus,said difference children to come to Me ..I believe. And good
thing ... His,word is unchanging ...unlike the words,of men or institutions,.

God keep you SERA,..And comfort you until you are,reunited

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479181 Sep 29, 2013
........SUFFER THE CHILDREN ..TO COME TO HIM

Auto correct sorry

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479182 Sep 29, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody here ever claimed the church did not teach Limbo we said it was never a Dogma and she said it was an infallable teaching that changed.
It came about when Augustine was arguing against the Pelegians who said they could merit sinless on their own. Augustine believed in Original sin. Augustine however did not say all babies would go to hell. Truly I tell you that unless you are born of water and spirit you cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven. So born into original sin which most
Most Protestants believe a baby was not guilty of sins they themselves committed but would have original sin. It was speculated that their may be another place. St Thomas acquainas and others argued various points. It was debated for a very long time. Rather than stating that which had no answer they searched scripture and Holy Tradition and debated. It was never formally declared something that must be believed. Some argued a place where no suffering occured but not heaven. Others argued for this but at the judgment God would bring those who were his in full. The arguments and searchign was plentiful. A commission was established to finalize this speculation long overdue with a vast study of all the arugments. The pope along with the Bishops decided it was not something that could be found in Holy Tradition nor had it been revealed within the deposit of the Faith once given. Thus this theological debate ended and it is declared that we leave it in the hands of a Just and merciful God. There is plenty of arugment to be made for a child to enter the Kingdom of heaven but not explicitly. Some argued that simply a sincere desire of faith by the parents would be enough. God knew you in the womb so it is up to him. It was never accepted by many in the church that no baby could enter heaven, but limbo was not hell. It is not without merit that some may have taught this wrongly as something that must be believed, but then they would have been mistaken. In the End Limbo is no worse as there would be no suffering and they could be restored on the last day. We also objected to her insinuation that the church abadoned Genesis in favor of evolution or that it required to believe 6 days or that it has said the earth is x years old. I sighted Galileo as an example. The church doesnt makes infallible science claims. I rather said it would be better to find how the bible can be in confomity to facts when they are revealed in science. As Galileo in his later years said paraphrased it is not that the bible is wrong it is mans interpretation of it.
Where did I say dogma,..I was taught limbo as,a,young Catholic student .
Not how the belief was qualified ..
Clay

Detroit, MI

#479183 Sep 29, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>...
SHOW,ME WHERE I SAI ALL CATHOLUCD,ARE GOING TO HE'LL.
I HAVE SAID. consistently many CATHOLUCS are true believers,..That John.PAUL is,a,saint in my eyes,
It's up to Jesus,to judge our belief ..And I have said that too
It's,not a,formula,,say this your saved ...get thus,sacraments your saved ...
Jesus,said we must be born AGain into true belief ..no.matter how you name it .it's,not ritual ..it's not altar,call..though people may be saved while doing both ..ITS,JESUS ..OUR BELIEF ..OUR HEARTS OUR SOUL..
ONE BY ONE
..the same as Jesus,did ...looking into each person's, eyes ...
.
You people keep putting words in MY MOUTH ..
Show me u Saud you folks,ate NOT saved ..I.do not believe it ..I do not know your heart . ONLY JESUS,KNOWS..
I don't know exactly what you believe. that's part of the mess of Protestantism and 'evangelicalism'.

I guess I assumed you'd think everyone on earth who is not born again- according to the criteria of the mega church pastors- are headed to hell. this would include most of the world as we know it...basically, we are all headed to hell except for the folks in the compound who did the alter call and became born again.
Oldjg is in charge of pamphlet distribution and the spaghetti dinner on Fri nights at the compound.
What I was saying though, is Limbo pales in comparison to what you guys teach what awaits me and my Catholic family when we die.
Dr shrink

Baltimore, MD

#479184 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
What??@*#&%? what do you have against her beliefs, Preston?
you are really Clay
you glued to this topic like wild weeds to the dog tail?
trust me ?very soon you and your church devil grab to his resodence place-hell living room flaming chambers

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#479185 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
What??@*#&%? what do you have against her beliefs, Preston?
same thing that even you catholics do.lol

we both spoke out against a belief that makes us unpopular

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479186 Sep 29, 2013
You know,

If the belief you people have depends,on trying to convince me I did not learn what I clearly did ..
Calling me a,liar or putting words in my mouth ..I never said,

I feel sorry for you ...really .

If you all cannot accept that your Church has changed in the last sixty years,..despite evidence to the contrary ..That is,sad
.

Don't any of you have grand parents,..who were old CATHOLICS...

Older priests,who celebrated Mass in Latin ..

You really claiming 2000 years of NO CHANGES???

Very strange . And shallow,belief if it depends,on me being wrong ..
Clay

Detroit, MI

#479187 Sep 29, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
A six year old???
Jesus,said difference children to come to Me ..I believe. And good
thing ... His,word is unchanging ...unlike the words,of men or institutions,.
God keep you SERA,..And comfort you until you are,reunited
I really hate to say this, but I do not believe anything that comes from the mouths of a certain husband wife team. I've prayed with sincerity for a persons health before...but I just can't get pass some incidents though. I see deliberate attempts at deception and it bothers me. Approach with caution.
One of the reasons I'm Catholic is because I see the amount of deception it takes to debunk it. its gotta be the Church of Jesus Christ based on that alone.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479188 Sep 29, 2013
GOD BLESS YOU ALL THAT YOUR FAITH IN YOUR Lord
Be stronger Han your faith in your Church

Hat is how it should be

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#479189 Sep 29, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
How much does a Priest usually charge to pay a person out of (the fabled)
purgatory any way......
Merchandising in the souls of human beings...
~~~

What will be their accountability before GOD...

For lying about an invented place called Purgatory ...

A place that does not exist.

Making promises and deceiving people and charging them their hard

earned money bilking money from them in a ruthless con game...

It rates right up there with the 72 virgins the Muslims...

claim that awaits them...

Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or

maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev_22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and

whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#479190 Sep 29, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I read your link and that was dated 2007. So that means up until 2007 there was a limbo then.So rose is correct.After 2007 the catholic church did away with it. That's what this link says...correct?
That's how it reads to me. I just don't get the whole idea of limbo.
Clay

Detroit, MI

#479191 Sep 29, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did I say dogma,..I was taught limbo as,a,young Catholic student .
Not how the belief was qualified ..
Dogma can't be changed. Limbo isn't Dogma.

700 yrs ago, students were taught that the world was flat, the Catholic Church needed to change what they were teaching about it because .... well, new info arrived that showed the earth wasn't flat. it was round. Mankinds intellectual capacity forces us to consider things we thought were once true. That's ok Rose. Humans are a work in progress. Church dogma however, can never be changed no matter what is brought forth because the dogma is revealed from God.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479192 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know exactly what you believe. that's part of the mess of Protestantism and 'evangelicalism'.
I guess I assumed you'd think everyone on earth who is not born again- according to the criteria of the mega church pastors- are headed to hell. this would include most of the world as we know it...basically, we are all headed to hell except for the folks in the compound who did the alter call and became born again.
Oldjg is in charge of pamphlet distribution and the spaghetti dinner on Fri nights at the compound.
What I was saying though, is Limbo pales in comparison to what you guys teach what awaits me and my Catholic family when we die.
I HAve,never said or implied any such thing ..
You guys ..some of you think.no.o be is,saved without your priests .

I even asked ..what about the people in a,persecuted country ..who
have faith from reading a bible fragment they share in an underground CHURCH ..no priest ...no Eucharist ..yet try live JESUS amidst persecution..

I keep saying ..it's one on one with our LORD AND SAVIOUR ..

I do not go to a megachurch....our church was,so small we shred space with other churches,..

I font like crowds,..wealth ministries ..AND I'VE SAID ALL THIS MANY TIMES ..

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