Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

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#478588 Sep 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Your eyes have been supposedly opened and you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.
Concerned, please edumacate your lost brother. He infallibly interprets the Bible too. He's born again and the whole 9 yrds...
I never denied the Divinity of Christ..

You deny the truth taught by your own vatacan: Christ, Jesus - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race....based on Scripture...

You call God a liar...He said of Christ:

Mt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Mr 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mr 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Lu 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Lu 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

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#478589 Sep 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Those scripture verses do not disclaim purgatory. They disclaim sola fide, but not purgatory.
Show us the Scripture that you say teaches purgatory...

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#478590 Sep 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Those scripture verses do not disclaim purgatory. They disclaim sola fide, but not purgatory.
Tell us why Christ separates His sheep from the goats...the sheep going to the Kingdom of God prepared for them..the goats to eternal damnation...and no one is going to purgatory....
Clay

Pasadena, TX

#478591 Sep 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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I never denied the Divinity of Christ..
You deny the truth taught by your own vatacan: Christ, Jesus - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race....based on Scripture...
You call God a liar...He said of Christ:
Mt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mr 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mr 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Lu 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Lu 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Hold on now. You've said Christ was not God in the past. That would eliminate His Divinity.

Yes, the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, but they also teach He is God the Son; One being with the father. To say otherwise would eliminate His divinity.
hojo

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#478592 Sep 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Still making up things, I see.
You are clueless.
You "bible only fundies" are the only ones that have a (complete monoply) on "making things up"!!..... i.e. interpreting (or better yet mis-interpreting) the bible and (distorting the truth of) 2000 years of TRUE Church History, just to name a few.

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#478593 Sep 26, 2013
Would you believe!!!!!!

ROME – In an effort to modernize one of the oldest practices of the Roman Catholic religion, the Vatican is offering indulgences–a reduction of time spent in purgatory–to those who will follow Pope Francis next Monday on Twitter and other social media during World Youth Day.

Indulgences were one of the key contentions that sparked the Protestant Reformation during the 16th century through the efforts of Martin Luther, a monk who served the Roman Catholic Church in Wittenburg, Germany. As Luther began studying the Scriptures after he was appointed as Chair of Biblical Theology, he became consumed with a passion to discover what it meant to be a Christian. In the Catholic Church, he had seen men trying to earn their way to Heaven, but as he read the Bible, he realized that salvation was through faith in Christ alone.

“I think I’ve found the truth at last,” the classic film Martin Luther depicts Luther as stating to a Church official.“By faith man lives and is righteous, not by what he does for himself, be it adoration of relics, singing of masses, pilgrimages to Rome, purchase of pardon for his sins, but by faith in what God has done for him already through His Son.”

Following the revelation, Luther began to challenge the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, compiling a list of 95 thesis where he asserted that Catholic doctrine contradicted the Scriptures. He was later summoned to appear before a meeting of the Church, and was declared a heretic and excommunicated.

The offering of indulgences has continued throughout the ages, and has evolved in a variety of ways–including the Vatican’s latest addition to the pitch, to grant a reduction of time in purgatory to those who complete the exercises “with due devotion, via the new means of social communication.” The offer is only one of a number of accepted tasks, and the social media proposition was presented to in order to include those who could not attend the pilgrimage event in Brazil in person, as outlined from a document released by the Vatican.

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#478594 Sep 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Hold on now. You've said Christ was not God in the past. That would eliminate His Divinity.
Jesus never called himself "God" why do you?

Oh yeah, because other men decided that you should.

DOH!!

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#478595 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
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If Oreilly had actually investigated thoroughly history and studied history he would have come to the historical conclusion that Jesus died on the cross and rose again.
It is a Historical Fact.
So many great minds have come to this conclusion this is a historical fact and they cannot deny it.
One example is SIMON GREENLEAF and American the father of Modern day Evidential Law one of Harvard's greatest professors when challenged by his students to test the facts of history in light of evidence became a believer. He came to the conclusion that the evidence was undeniable Jesus Rose from the dead it was a historical fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Greenleaf
Like most Roman Catholics O'rielly is being politically correct he is trying to please men all be it conservative but never the less non believers.
I really don't think so ..I think he is trying to prove there are facts
OUTSIDE scripture That prove Jesus lived
Which secularists debunk ALL THE TIME ..

I did not read his other books,..But I think he is going o be scorned on these interview,shows, those,people hate GOD

DIDN'T one of the greatest books come at Jesus from NON BELIEF.

SOME folks out there do not think he existed . I've read their posts .

But I will read this and watch before I decide :)

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#478596 Sep 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Show us the Scripture that you say teaches purgatory...
Show me the "scripture" where "God" specifically designates which books/texts are "of His inspiration" and which are not?

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#478597 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
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If you want to read "SOMEHTING" get the book by Simon Greenleaf,
The Testimony of the Evangelists Examined by The Rules of Evidence Administered in Courts of Justice, reprint of the 1874 edition,(Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1984). ISBN 0-8010-3803-0
Simon Greenleaf, "The Testimony of the Evangelists," reprinted from the 1903 edition as an appendix in John Warwick Montgomery, The Law Above The Law,(Minneapolis: Bethany Fellowship, 1975), pp. 91–140 & 149-163. ISBN 0-87123-329-0
Then get Lee Strobel's Case for Christ which will bring all sorts of Historians with huge credentials to the table that show Orielly the Politically correct right wing pandering conservative he is.
He would not be able to articulate the Gospel as revealed in scripture as his faith is in the RCC the institution not Jesus.
Anything that Gets,Jesus among he masses,showing He existed in the first place is,good,IMO

Right wing?? He is more right an left But gives,all opinions,an airing ..
Please,font tell me you approve of he leftists,who kill babies,every day and bring us to socialism???

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#478598 Sep 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Hold on now. You've said Christ was not God in the past. That would eliminate His Divinity.
Yes, the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, but they also teach He is God the Son; One being with the father. To say otherwise would eliminate His divinity.
Show me where they teach that Christ and God are one God...show me the Holy Trinity showing God and Christ are one God......

Show me where they say the very definition of Saviour is wrong:
soter: a deliverer, i.e. God or Christ:--saviour.

Do you know what "or" means??????!!!!

Show me where they say God is lying in the Scripture I showed you...
hojo

Chanhassen, MN

#478599 Sep 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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So you believe What Adam and Eve believed.... that conjecture takes
preeminence over God's word....
You are in for your own rude awakening just as they experienced...
only your separation from God will have no ending...
You deny Him now ...it will be eternal with no redeemer to bail you out.
You have already reject Him...
I'll put my Faith, hope, Salvation and any judgement that Our Lord has for me in HIS HANDS and not in some (anti-catholic) "snake oil" judgmental Protestant preacher like you Confrinting. You do not speak for God and NEVER WILL until you come to TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ........ I have heard bible only condemning (hatefilled) ministers like you for over 35 years as a sola scriptura Protestant, until God Our Father, through His Son Jesus, being led by the Holy Spirit, released me from this "bible only BONDAGE" of condemning of other Christians (especially Catholics) and led me to the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible, along with 2000 years of the TRUTH of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY, manifested (in and through Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church.

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#478600 Sep 26, 2013
And...

Tell me that this teaches God and Christ are one:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

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#478601 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
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He is definitely not the author of the RCC that has at its head leaders that encourage its congregations to sacrifice Jesus on a weekly basis contrary to his very words that declare it is finished he is the last sacrifice and as the the alter was broken and curtain torn we know it is not needed anymore. Yet you contradict his word in your sects your denominations false gospel on weekly basis which is plain to see for those who choose to open their eyes. On that and that alone I can declare the RCC not to be the one true church, because the simple explicit teaching of the Bible contradicts RC teachings out right.
We all agree your sect the RCC is not the one true yadda yadda that apparently has slipped by you unseen or you choose to ignore that fact as well. LOL
What you are too zealous as was Judas to zealous to see is that you belong to one of the 42000 denominations that you condemn.
BTW Baptists, Alliance, Lutherans, Calvary Chapel Mennonite Brethren etc. etc all agree on the essentials all have the same faith same Gospel and can and do worship in unity and love.
Just because one denomination has a focus on over seas missions or likes to worship with a band and another with and organ does not mean we disagree on that which matters and in all other things Paul in the word of God declares there is liberty.
In God's garden his Church there are many flowers of many shades and colors but all get their energy from the Son of God all point to his light.
If you wish to stick with your cookie cutter man made sect so be it.
As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
I like that about the flowers,

And THey change their own teachings all the TIME...with New dogma..encyclical,..bowing to science on evolution ..That one shocked me ..

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#478602 Sep 26, 2013
The Pope authorized the Roman Catholic Church's International Theological Commission on April 22, 2007 to publish a 41-page document titled: "The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die without Being Baptized."

Britain's newspaper-website, Telegraph.co.uk , in an article written by Nick Pisa in Rome, reports: "Babies who die before being baptized will no longer be trapped in Limbo following a decision by the Pope to abolish the concept from Roman Catholic teaching. The decision was taken after Pope Benedict XVI was presented with Vatican studies that said there were 'serious' grounds that such souls could go to heaven, rather than exist between heaven and hell as they have done for almost 800 years."

According to the same report, it was in early 1984 when then Cardinal Prefect Joseph Ratzinger of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, announced in The Ratzinger Report that as a private theologian he rejected the claim that children who die unbaptized cannot attain salvation, and that he was also speaking for many academic theologians of similar understanding.

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#478603 Sep 26, 2013
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Thus by 1992 the Catechism of the Catholic Church expressed the hope that children who die without being baptized might still be saved when it stated: "As regards children who have died without baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God, who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children, which caused him to say,'Let the children come to me, do not hinder them'[Mark 10:14
, cf. 1 Tim 2:4
], allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without baptism."

The doctrine of Limbo was introduced by the eminent Catholic philosopher Augustine (354-430). He concluded that infants who died without baptism were consigned to hell. Consequently, in 385 Pope Siricius wrote to Bishop Himerius that he felt bound in conscience—for the sake of his own salvation—to warn Himerius that he should insist on the baptism of infants as well as adults in his diocese. However, not all parishioners sought Catholic baptism for their children.

More than 800 years later, Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274), an Italian Dominican monk, theologian and philosopher came up with Limbo as a state of natural happiness for unbaptized children, as well as for others lacking the use of reason; but taught that a reward of supernatural happiness for them was inappropriate because of their original sin

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#478604 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
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If Oreilly had actually investigated thoroughly history and studied history he would have come to the historical conclusion that Jesus died on the cross and rose again.
It is a Historical Fact.
So many great minds have come to this conclusion this is a historical fact and they cannot deny it.
One example is SIMON GREENLEAF and American the father of Modern day Evidential Law one of Harvard's greatest professors when challenged by his students to test the facts of history in light of evidence became a believer. He came to the conclusion that the evidence was undeniable Jesus Rose from the dead it was a historical fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Greenleaf
Like most Roman Catholics O'rielly is being politically correct he is trying to please men all be it conservative but never the less non believers.
Odd as it seems, you forgot to include how he was "Christian" which makes him nonsecular and bias toward Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Greenleaf

"Simon's father Moses Greenleaf married Lydia Parsons, daughter of Rev. Jonathan Parsons of Newburyport."

"It should be pursued as in the presence of God, and under the solemn sanctions created by a lively sense of his omniscience, and of our accountability to him for the right use of the faculties which he has bestowed."

"In requiring this candor and simplicity of mind in those who would investigate the truth of our religion,"

http://www.bibleteacher.org/sgtestimony.htm

Anyone can come up with one relevant source to uphold their position. One instance does not make it true.

I've listed multiple times on where the resurrection is just a made up story. Yet you don't believe those.

Yes CiB - Self is the answer you should be accepting, as you already utilize it in every aspect of your belief anyhow.

Why do you think certain fallible men were accurate in trying to define an infallible being?

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#478605 Sep 26, 2013
and...

Limbo, from Latin limbus meaning edge or boundary (of hell by implication), was thereafter taught to be a state after death in Roman Catholic theology. It was compartmentalized into two categories, one for children called limbus infantium and the second for the Fathers called limbus patrum, a temporary state of the souls of anciently righteous people.

It was in the 14th century that the Italian poet Dante Alighiere (1265-1321) wrote his most popular literary work Divina Commedia (The Divine Comedy). Overlooked by most is the fact that his work intentionally included the word commedia (comedy) because he made fun of (did a parody / satire of) the then popular religious teachings of Limbo, Purgatory, and Paradise, and even assigned known personalities of his day into those various categories!

The decision of the present Pope marks a gradual softening of the Catholic view towards those who die without being baptized. Pope Benedict XVI, prior to his election to the Papacy, was already on record for his personal disbelief in Limbo. Since, from a biblical perspective, the doctrine of purgatory stands in the same category as Limbo, will it be next for review by Catholic religious scholars? For that we will have to wait to see.

But an important lesson should be learned from this significant change in a long embedded religious doctrine. We can see that even in our society's largest and most entrenched religious body professing that its beliefs represent those of Jesus Christ there can be long-held teachings and traditions which (upon in-depth study) turn out to be in error.

Rather than embracing—without proof—religious ideas which you may not have yet personally examined, why not take time to do some in-depth biblical study on your own? We can help by providing you—free and without any obligation—reliably researched and accurately documented reading material on biblical subjects.

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#478606 Sep 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
And...
Tell me that this teaches God and Christ are one:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Where do you think "Paul", a 3rd generation disciple, learned this theology from?

But yet you think "Paul" knew more than Jesus, as Jesus never called himself "God".

Why?

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#478607 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
The ever change doctrines of the Sect known as Roman Catholicism
437
Proclamation that infant baptism regenerates the soul
500
The Mass instituted as a re-sacrifice of Jesus for the remission of sins
593
Declaration that sins need to be purged, established by Pope Gregory I
600
Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels
786
Worship of cross, images, and relics authorized
995
Canonization of dead people as saints initiated by Pope John XV
1000
Attendance at Mass made mandatory under the penalty of mortal sin
1079
Celibacy of priesthood, decreed by Pope Gregory VII
1090
Rosary, repetitious praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit
1184
The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona
1190
The sale of Indulgences established to reduce time in Purgatory
1215
Transubstantiation, proclaimed by Pope Innocent III
1215
Confession of sins to priests, instituted by Pope Innocent III
1229
Bible placed on Index of Forbidden Books in Toulouse
1438
Purgatory elevated from doctrine to dogma by Council of Florence
1545
Tradition claimed equal in authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent
1546
Apocryphal Books declared cannon by Council of Trent
1854
Immaculate Conception of Mary, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX
1870
Infallibility of the Pope, proclaimed by Vatican Council
1922
Virgin Mary proclaimed co-redeemer with Jesus by Pope Benedict XV
yea and they think Evangelical protestants are confused.
LOL


Man may also have evolved from other BIOLOGICAL FORMS,...

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-e...

not my opinion ...this is what they now teach as it has their imprimatur

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