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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 653995 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Pad

Rockford, IL

#478693 Sep 27, 2013
Sorry I am using a double negative.

....how are we not expected even more so to rely on the Authority,and Holy inspiration of the very Book we all claim is ours in faith?

Please blame it on my age guys,thank you!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#478694 Sep 27, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
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Thanks for the info.
Preston knows the details,I didn't know he died for a long period,as I was having an operation on my bowel at the time,and really incapacitated. I make a lot of mistakes on the computer lately,so I really have to curb my time on here.Always glad when you return to this thread,you add a lot,and all of your time you spent investigating these things pay off.

I agree with everyone when they exalt Christ,but it is hard for me to stomach exalting a "church",an organization. It is so obvious from Scripture and what God has done with so many of His people,that the C h u r c h is the Body of Christ,which has experienced being blood bought,born of the Spirit,and filled with the Spirit as well.There is no substitute! It all begins with Him and ends with Him.

He"The Lord Jesus Christ,the Author and Finisher of our faith....."
guest

United States

#478695 Sep 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
No Catholic has ever put you down for your belief in the bible, we just don't think it's a good idea trying to interpret it by yourself.
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Concerned in Brasil wrote:
First nobody said in Protestant Evangelical circles to do it by yourself.
That again is your Straw man based in your made up imaginary world that lacks reason fairness or honesty.
So this is how your illogical statement reads
You in of yourself can't interpret scripture this is bad, but you can in of yourself read the RCC interpretations that have changed over the millennium and by yourself understand it and accept it.
You can't read the plain teachings of scripture on your own but you can read on your own the literally millions of pages of interpretations produced by RCC for the last 1000 years and interpret them and understand on your own, and if you can't not to worry some uneducated Priest who could not make in the real world and got D's in high school will get you straightened out.
YOU ARE INSANE in how you reason.
Where does it end do I need an interpreter for the interpreter or again another one for the a last one, your reasoning is FALSE and illogical.
I have because of today's accumlated knowledge, having been educated in the Canadian educational system ranked consistently high in quality top 10 for my life time a 100 times + better education than then the Bishops of Rome did even 500 years ago let alone 1000 years ago.
I am versed in Greek and Hebrew
I speak English Portuguese French.
I have by far a higher level of Math,Sciences,and languages skills and knowledge then those in your sect whose interpretations you so blindly accept with out proper checks and testing.
I have more Ancient texts at my disposal of the Bible and Church fathers than any Pope of the past and equal to any one alive today.
There is nothing I don't have access to that a RC pope has access to and I don't bring the bias.
Yet some how I am not qualified and your RC Popes are LOL.
But what is most important I unlike the Popes of years gone by filled with the Spirit of darkness, who waged war on the Saints murdered massacred literally 10s of millions of fellow human beings am filled with the Great Counselor the Spirit of God.
Who was promised to me by Jesus the Son of God no less who Jesus said he would send to me to lead me into all truth and teach me all the things he taught when he ascended on high.
I unlike your Popes yet like Peter the Apostle would never let men bow before me and kiss my ring finger like Roman subjects did to their Caesars who they worshiped. Yet those you wish me to let interpret scripture are Idol worshipers and have assumed the role of Ancient Cesar. Again laughable if so many souls eternal destiny's did not hang in the balance.
That trumps your illogical man made popes and sects interpretations in a nano second.
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Touche' Concerned in Brasil!
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Anthony MN, what Concerned in Brasil is saying here, is what I have been saying all along - and that is: Catholics cannot interpret the Bible - especially when they contradict the very teachings of Christ, whom they claim to follow.
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Christ NEVER ordered the TORTURE and MURDER of 'heretics'-- yet, the "Church" - which claims to follow Christ - DID JUST THAT and its parishioners obeyed and sat by and watched it happen - FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS!
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The very fact that the Catholic parishioners followed the Pope's orders to torture and murder 'heretics' PROVES WITHOUT DOUBT that the RCC absolutely is NOT the Only True Christian Church.
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Why can you not understand that?
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Hijacking Peter as the first Pope does not give your church credibility at all. It just makes you look more desperate to gain acceptance.
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#478696 Sep 27, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Preston knows the details,I didn't know he died for a long period,as I was having an operation on my bowel at the time,and really incapacitated. I make a lot of mistakes on the computer lately,so I really have to curb my time on here.Always glad when you return to this thread,you add a lot,and all of your time you spent investigating these things pay off.
I agree with everyone when they exalt Christ,but it is hard for me to stomach exalting a "church",an organization. It is so obvious from Scripture and what God has done with so many of His people,that the C h u r c h is the Body of Christ,which has experienced being blood bought,born of the Spirit,and filled with the Spirit as well.There is no substitute! It all begins with Him and ends with Him.
He"The Lord Jesus Christ,the Author and Finisher of our faith....."
I enjoyed John's posts to me, they challenged me.

I enjoy coming back to this forum, I usually do when I am struggling in my own personal dessert, it gets me back in the word, and it brings up that which is deep down in my Heart that which I am incapable of denying.

Jesus is Lord, He is real, he rose and he is coming back.

It takes me back to that which is indisputable truth, in a world that tries to make everything grey and relative.

I like that it is anonymous, you can throw out your thesis beliefs and not get ex-communicated or dead if you make a mistake or your beliefs are contrary to the establishment.

Its a good test range so to speak.

Luther posted his on the church door, it was the bulletin board of his day, the Topix of forum of the day, it was considered an Idea board if you will. It was were fellow contemporary's could come and test your and their ideas.

In his day though you had to be careful because to disagree more often than not got you dead in his day.

Here the worse that can happen to you is you get called a Hater, a fundie, no worries like water of a ducks back.

I pray for your health and God's will always.
I hope to meet you on the other side your posts convince me you are a person with compassion and a gentle heart.

I on the other hand I am a Big Canadian Moose in the China shop.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#478700 Sep 27, 2013
Pad wrote:
Herme:Continued..........
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One of your statements from your excellent post was
" We really as believers have no right to place the Word of God on levels of human reasoning"

This is the source of so so much of our squabbling.We being our human weakness and passions to Our God's pureness throughout history and this has resulted in hatred,power struggles , suffering, and injustice.

Christ comes into our life. He offers his pure love.We respond by seeking to dissect what He has done and Instead of entering into love and relationship with Him.

We develop entire hierarchies to acquire more and more power based on our view.

The other views become the enemy.

Then we use His gift of salvation as a weapon to hold over peoples' heads.AS human weakness often leads us to do, we get bigger and bigger and more concerned with our beliefs, selling them and defending them.Christ does not then come first.

I am talking about my church- everyone's church.

I am not Sola Scripture whatever than means nowadays, it been defined so many different ways. But I would say it is the purest form of Christ's message.As Orthodox tradition can help us if checked against the Bible.

As far as committees of men getting together to tell me what the Bible says or what the Fathers say, you must always come back to Christ before you accept it at face value.

I believe Orthodox have a tremendous advantage having the tradition but again human weakness mucks it up. Some say this is the tradition. Some say that is the tradition.

And politics and fights among the 5 sees.

We shouldnt worry. As long as we Have Christ we will always have the Light that will burn and purify His message from whatever imperfect form it is handed to us.

Anyway wonderful post Pad. Thanx.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#478701 Sep 27, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>==========
One of your statements from your excellent post was
" We really as believers have no right to place the Word of God on levels of human reasoning"
This is the source of so so much of our squabbling.We being our human weakness and passions to Our God's pureness throughout history and this has resulted in hatred,power struggles , suffering, and injustice.
Christ comes into our life. He offers his pure love.We respond by seeking to dissect what He has done and Instead of entering into love and relationship with Him.
We develop entire hierarchies to acquire more and more power based on our view.
The other views become the enemy.
Then we use His gift of salvation as a weapon to hold over peoples' heads.AS human weakness often leads us to do, we get bigger and bigger and more concerned with our beliefs, selling them and defending them.Christ does not then come first.
I am talking about my church- everyone's church.
I am not Sola Scripture whatever than means nowadays, it been defined so many different ways. But I would say it is the purest form of Christ's message.As Orthodox tradition can help us if checked against the Bible.
As far as committees of men getting together to tell me what the Bible says or what the Fathers say, you must always come back to Christ before you accept it at face value.
I believe Orthodox have a tremendous advantage having the tradition but again human weakness mucks it up. Some say this is the tradition. Some say that is the tradition.
And politics and fights among the 5 sees.
We shouldnt worry. As long as we Have Christ we will always have the Light that will burn and purify His message from whatever imperfect form it is handed to us.
Anyway wonderful post Pad. Thanx.
I am going to make this short and I believe that CIB can verify this .John believed what the catholics believed but not all, as he said many times. " the catholics believe what I believe but I don't believe ALL that they believe. Nor did he ever waver on those words, which then caused Dusty to mock him and attack him

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#478702 Sep 27, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Who you really are in this thread has not gone noticed.
NAS leader.
He became a Christian after the fact.
From your link first two lines
Greenleaf, one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity. But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen.
His Bias was not Christian in the least
Nice try at dis information but then that is what a good NAS leader does you can't help it its in your nature.
One source does not make it true.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#478703 Sep 27, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll put my Faith, hope, Salvation and any judgement that Our Lord has for me in HIS HANDS and not in some (anti-catholic) "snake oil" judgmental Protestant preacher like you Confrinting. You do not speak for God and NEVER WILL until you come to TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ........ I have heard bible only condemning (hatefilled) ministers like you for over 35 years as a sola scriptura Protestant, until God Our Father, through His Son Jesus, being led by the Holy Spirit, released me from this "bible only BONDAGE" of condemning of other Christians (especially Catholics) and led me to the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible, along with 2000 years of the TRUTH of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY, manifested (in and through Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church.
Any one that thumbs their noses at....Spurns God's eternal word is foolish.

comparing your 1600 years with the infinity of God's existence and

attempting to write your own plan of salvation is ludicrousness..

which in the end will reap a whirlwind.

Pro_10:25 As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation.

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.

But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

1Co 3:11 ==> For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

YOUR FOUNDATION IS BUILT UPON PETER
~~~

Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap

As for believing in your fabled PURGATORY ...

ACCORDING TO JESUS MAN CANNOT BE CLEANSED FROM HIS SIN AFTER HIS DEATH..

HERE YOUR BOWING BEFORE ANYTHING OTHER THAN GOD IS CONDEMNED

Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

THERE IS NO SECOND CHANCE OF SALVATION.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust,

let him be unjust still: and

he which is filthy,

let him be filthy still: and

he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and

he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

This presents another testimony against idolatrous worship of saints and angels.

God calls every one to witness to the declarations here made.

This book, thus kept open, will have effect upon men;

the filthy and unjust will be more so,

but it will confirm, strengthen, and further sanctify those who are upright with God.

Never let us think that a dead or disobedient faith will save us,

for the First and the Last has declared that those alone are blessed who

do his commandments

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#478704 Sep 27, 2013
Pad wrote:
Sorry I am using a double negative.
....how are we not expected even more so to rely on the Authority,and Holy inspiration of the very Book we all claim is ours in faith?
Please blame it on my age guys,thank you!
First you have to admit that "all men fall short of the glory of God", thus fallible men cannot define an infallible being.

Pure and complete honesty Pad is all that it required.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#478705 Sep 27, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll put my Faith, hope, Salvation and any judgement that Our Lord has for me in HIS HANDS and not in some (anti-catholic) "snake oil" judgmental Protestant preacher like you Confrinting. You do not speak for God and NEVER WILL until you come to TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ........ I have heard bible only condemning (hatefilled) ministers like you for over 35 years as a sola scriptura Protestant, until God Our Father, through His Son Jesus, being led by the Holy Spirit, released me from this "bible only BONDAGE" of condemning of other Christians (especially Catholics) and led me to the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible, along with 2000 years of the TRUTH of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY, manifested (in and through Jesus Christs One True Apostolic Catholic Church.
Any one that thumbs their noses at....Spurns God's eternal word is foolish.

comparing your 1600 years with the infinity of God's existence and

attempting to write your own plan of salvation is ludicrousness..

which in the end will reap a whirlwind.

Pro_10:25 As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation.

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.

But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

1Co 3:11 ==> For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

YOUR FOUNDATION IS BUILT UPON PETER
~~~

Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap
---

HERE YOUR BOWING BEFORE ANYTHING OTHER THAN GOD IS CONDEMNED

Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
As for believing in your fabled PURGATORY ...

ACCORDING TO JESUS MAN CANNOT BE CLEANSED FROM HIS SIN AFTER HIS DEATH..

THERE IS NO SECOND CHANCE TO RECEIVE SALVATION.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust,

let him be unjust still: and

he which is filthy,

let him be filthy still: and

he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and

he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

NOTE
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

This presents another testimony against idolatrous worship of saints and angels.

God calls every one to witness to the declarations here made.

This book, thus kept open, will have effect upon men;

the filthy and unjust will be more so,

but it will confirm, strengthen, and further sanctify those who are upright with God.

Never let us think that a dead or disobedient faith will save us,

for the First and the Last has declared that those alone are blessed who

do his commandments

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#478706 Sep 27, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
I enjoyed John's posts to me, they challenged me.
I enjoy coming back to this forum, I usually do when I am struggling in my own personal dessert, it gets me back in the word, and it brings up that which is deep down in my Heart that which I am incapable of denying.
"when I am struggling in my own personal dessert,"
- Don't let the chocolate syrup drown you!!

:O)
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus is Lord, He is real, he rose and he is coming back.
....adn we are still waiting.....and you will continue to do so.
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
It takes me back to that which is indisputable truth, in a world that tries to make everything grey and relative.
How is that when you only believe in a portion of Jesus?
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
I like that it is anonymous, you can throw out your thesis beliefs and not get ex-communicated or dead if you make a mistake or your beliefs are contrary to the establishment.
Self.
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Its a good test range so to speak.
Self.
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Luther posted his on the church door, it was the bulletin board of his day, the Topix of forum of the day, it was considered an Idea board if you will. It was were fellow contemporary's could come and test your and their ideas.
Self.
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
In his day though you had to be careful because to disagree more often than not got you dead in his day.
Self.
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Here the worse that can happen to you is you get called a Hater, a fundie, no worries like water of a ducks back.
Self.
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
I pray for your health and God's will always.
Self.
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope to meet you on the other side your posts convince me you are a person with compassion and a gentle heart.
Self.
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
I on the other hand I am a Big Canadian Moose in the China shop.
Self.

...and you don't believe Jesus when he speaks of it.

Hmmmm....odd.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#478707 Sep 27, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I am going to make this short and I believe that CIB can verify this .John believed what the catholics believed but not all, as he said many times. " the catholics believe what I believe but I don't believe ALL that they believe. Nor did he ever waver on those words, which then caused Dusty to mock him and attack him
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I read the post you put up from Dust to John. It was almost exactly how Dust posts to me.Thanx for clearing up the smokescreen.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#478708 Sep 27, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>==========
One of your statements from your excellent post was
" We really as believers have no right to place the Word of God on levels of human reasoning"
This is the source of so so much of our squabbling.We being our human weakness and passions to Our God's pureness throughout history and this has resulted in hatred,power struggles , suffering, and injustice.
...adn still you think fallible men had the ability to define an infallible being.

You aren't doing as you are saying.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#478709 Sep 27, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
First nobody said in Protestant Evangelical circles to do it by yourself.
That again is your Straw man based in your made up imaginary world that lacks reason fairness or honesty.
So this is how your illogical statement reads
You in of yourself can't interpret scripture this is bad, but you can in of yourself read the RCC interpretations that have changed over the millennium and by yourself understand it and accept it.
You can't read the plain teachings of scripture on your own but you can read on your own the literally millions of pages of interpretations produced by RCC for the last 1000 years and interpret them and understand on your own, and if you can't not to worry some uneducated Priest who could not make in the real world and got D's in high school will get you straightened out.
YOU ARE INSANE in how you reason.
Where does it end do I need an interpreter for the interpreter or again another one for the a last one, your reasoning is FALSE and illogical.
I have because of today's accumlated knowledge, having been educated in the Canadian educational system ranked consistently high in quality top 10 for my life time a 100 times + better education than then the Bishops of Rome did even 500 years ago let alone 1000 years ago.
I am versed in Greek and Hebrew
I speak English Portuguese French.
I have by far a higher level of Math,Sciences,and languages skills and knowledge then those in your sect whose interpretations you so blindly accept with out proper checks and testing.
I have more Ancient texts at my disposal of the Bible and Church fathers than any Pope of the past and equal to any one alive today.
There is nothing I don't have access to that a RC pope has access to and I don't bring the bias.
Yet some how I am not qualified and your RC Popes are LOL.
But what is most important I unlike the Popes of years gone by filled with the Spirit of darkness, who waged war on the Saints murdered massacred literally 10s of millions of fellow human beings am filled with the Great Counselor the Spirit of God.
Who was promised to me by Jesus the Son of God no less who Jesus said he would send to me to lead me into all truth and teach me all the things he taught when he ascended on high.
I unlike your Popes yet like Peter the Apostle would never let men bow before me and kiss my ring finger like Roman subjects did to their Caesars who they worshiped. Yet those you wish me to let interpret scripture are Idol worshipers and have assumed the role of Ancient Cesar. Again laughable if so many souls eternal destiny's did not hang in the balance.
That trumps your illogical man made popes and sects interpretations in a nano second.
You once said the Inquisitions killed over 60 million people, and later doubled-down on that number saying it was over 100 million. You use William Webster as your research source. I'm sorry, but you're a conspiracy theorist.

This board is a microcosm of the free-for-all in today's protestantland. We have a posters who say Jesus isn't God, another says soul sleep is scriptural, another who says he's St. Paul's equal and better than St. Peter, says Mary was a bad mother and that God implanted a fertilized embryo in her, another who says he's a deacon in his congregation and fights with the Preston the Apostle, most others think the world is 5000 years old. They all claim to be Divinely inspired to infallibly interpret the bible. The problem in protestantism is when everybody is an authority, nobdy is an authority and you end up with millions of paper popes running around. That's not what Jesus intended.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#478710 Sep 27, 2013
Well Anthony I wonder what this verse means;

. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

What our Lord here says, concerning the wind, is confirmed by all experience, and philosophical observations; the rise of winds, from whence they come, and whither they go, cannot be ascertained; the treasures of them are only with God, and known to him
Human Being

Jena, LA

#478711 Sep 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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And,I can memorize the CATECHISM. As,I did as,a,kid ...And receive sacraments,,and go to Church every day .
You're correct ..That does,not save us,.
The gift of Grace leads,us to true,REDEEMIMG FAITH IN THE ONE AND ONLY
SAVIOUR......
And,I DOBT hate the,RCC answering your last post ..many true believers,worship as Catholics .. the,Church does great works,of Charity ..I.do NOT BELUEVE it provides the,ONLY road to Salvation
RoSesz

Peace

The question is are people listening?

One must be humble to listen. Yet bold enough to accept the Gift of Grace from God.

In not believing the RCC is the only road to salvation, then do you also believe those who are humble but have not heard the salvation message "can" be saved by God?

Peace
marge

Leesburg, GA

#478712 Sep 27, 2013
Does this first not prove that being born-again is not from water-baptism;

The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can't tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit." NLT

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#478713 Sep 27, 2013
marge wrote:
Well Anthony I wonder what this verse means;
. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
What our Lord here says, concerning the wind, is confirmed by all experience, and philosophical observations; the rise of winds, from whence they come, and whither they go, cannot be ascertained; the treasures of them are only with God, and known to him
Then how is that Sceince can determine which way the wind goes?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#478714 Sep 27, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
RoSesz
Peace
The question is are people listening?
One must be humble to listen. Yet bold enough to accept the Gift of Grace from God.
In not believing the RCC is the only road to salvation, then do you also believe those who are humble but have not heard the salvation message "can" be saved by God?
Peace
Morning Robert!

Your not saying that only the RCC has the 'salvation message', are you?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#478715 Sep 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You once said the Inquisitions killed over 60 million people, and later doubled-down on that number saying it was over 100 million. You use William Webster as your research source. I'm sorry, but you're a conspiracy theorist.
This board is a microcosm of the free-for-all in today's protestantland. We have a posters who say Jesus isn't God, another says soul sleep is scriptural, another who says he's St. Paul's equal and better than St. Peter, says Mary was a bad mother and that God implanted a fertilized embryo in her, another who says he's a deacon in his congregation and fights with the Preston the Apostle, most others think the world is 5000 years old. They all claim to be Divinely inspired to infallibly interpret the bible. The problem in protestantism is when everybody is an authority, nobdy is an authority and you end up with millions of paper popes running around. That's not what Jesus intended.
It doesn't look like we so-called protestants have 'order' on a board such as this but you have to remember the Same Spirit gives us all different gifts;

11But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

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