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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 646340 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#478530 Sep 26, 2013
So I ask again Hojo that which you try to ignore.

How is it that when Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice the last sacrifice that satisfied the Law once and for all the RCC some 500 years later decided Jesus was wrong and sacrifices on alter by a priest were needed once again.

How is it when Jesus took his last breath on the Cross declared it is Finished, the sun darkened, the earth was shaken, the alter in the temple broke in two, and the curtain was torn in two some 500 years late the RCC says its not finished and sacrifices were re-instated???

Why is it that the Apostles never ordained Priests NEVER NOT ONCE, why did not one early church father taught by the apostles never build and alter ordain priests to serve the Eucharist??

Why does Clement of Alexandria declare in “Paedagogus”(The Instructor).

“But you are not inclined to understand it thus, but perchance more generally. Hear it also in the following way.The flesh figuratively represents to us the Holy Spirit; for the flesh was created by Him. The blood points out to us the Word, for as rich blood the Word has been infused into life; and the union of both is the Lord, the food of the babes–the Lord who is Spirit and Word. The food- that is, the Lord Jesus–that is, the Word of God, the Spirit made flesh, the heavenly flesh sanctified…”

he did believe it was a sacrifice that was to be administered by a priest he believed it was figurative representation.?????
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#478531 Sep 26, 2013
But Hojo don't take my Word for it.

NO

Take the WORD of God to be true, read that which contradicts RCC so called tradition.

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

Yet the when the Bible declares by one sacrifice one offering it was completed the RCC says no it was not and says more offerings are needed weekly.

Hebrews 7:27-28
who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins, and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.

When the Bible declares once and for all, the RCC says no the Bible is wrong it can't be once and it can't be for all it has to be many times and for only those present at the time not for all.

Jn 19:28 Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said,“I am thirsty.”
Jn 19:29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips.
Jn 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said,“It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Note the words of John as well "ALL was now completed."

Mt 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.

Lk 23:44 It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour,
Lk 23:45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.
Lk 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice,“Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

The RCC clearly contradicts the Very Word of God

Truth Matters the RCC is not the one true yadda yadda it is a lie.
truth

The Vines, Australia

#478532 Sep 26, 2013
very sad..altar

3000 years ago in India
asked India believers 4 wind altar
53 sect they have highly spiritual people
but all of them as holy spirit
is not holy.

Cross as INRI maybe is deference.
There is not Law,not Mercy its suffering.
He come fulfill law where law is zero.

I don't believe anymore in Law not at all.

n
Clay

Houston, TX

#478533 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Well its the same One I posted here some 4-5 years ago in this thread.
You know you have posted truth when the postie does not even attempt to refute the evidence at hand and the only tactic they employ is name calling and in a lame attempt to try an make a diversion from the facts at hand try to mud slinging hoping nobody will notice they can't refute the facts at hand.
Thanks for that its nice to know I posted truth.
If you go back to last week and then the week before, you'll see that I took the time to refute almost every single one and provided links. When I got to 20 something, it became a big joke, so I stopped. I realized they could care less that they just posted a lie. Like them, you'll believe what you're going to believe no matter what.

The Bible fell out of the sky; the Apostles didn't explain their writings properly and their Disciples immediately messed up the will of Jesus. The Roman Catholic Church corrupted all of Christianity until they printed and published the Bible for the first time on October 22, 1452. Now folks like you could decide for yourselves what Christianity is. Luther came along, decided that there were 7 more Books that weren't Biblical and pulled them out.
Yeah, this is the scenario you think is truth.
truth

The Vines, Australia

#478534 Sep 26, 2013
'father into your hand i recommend my spirit'

i have to go where you can't go, but i will send you protector and comforter.

Did you ever fill that hand as helper?
yep

its bring me that i can see..i walk i talk..nobody say nothing..dead body on street in nice suits.
I am alive as i been alive that time.

There is a no life, no moon no stars no sun.

If are you target of evil people spirits don't worry what that very bad wishers going say.
You are not first victim of them.
In the world exist very low evil org.
its exist high level organization
which can and do ruin every person and every family.

They don't fill shame believe me.
Clay

Houston, TX

#478535 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Well its the same One I posted here some 4-5 years ago in this thread.
You know you have posted truth when the postie does not even attempt to refute the evidence at hand and the only tactic they employ is name calling and in a lame attempt to try an make a diversion from the facts at hand try to mud slinging hoping nobody will notice they can't refute the facts at hand.
Thanks for that its nice to know I posted truth.
You have to remember too, those aren't new doctrines the Church invented. There clarifications at council. For example: They didn't add 7 Books at the council of Trent nor did they suddenly teach that Sacred Scripture and Sacred tradition are equal. The latter was obvious to all of Christendom. Scripture flowed from tradition. That's why we have a Bible.
There was no need to publicly declare this because nobody argued against it. Same thing with the 7 Books.(Guttenberg Bible that was published a hundred yrs before Trent had 73 Books). Suddenly there are reformers teaching new and strange doctrines. The Church held council to clarify truth. Then men like you turn around and stab them in the back and tell everyone, "look the RCC just invented Transubstantion".
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AOL

#478537 Sep 26, 2013
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100% PROOF Pope Francis is ANTICHRIST_____



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truth

The Vines, Australia

#478538 Sep 26, 2013
it is written

I been before!
Your law died on INRI.
He come fulfill law where is a law not exist.
truth

The Vines, Australia

#478539 Sep 26, 2013
He rise in Heaven.
Human Being

Chatham, LA

#478540 Sep 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
NO ONE,HERE,IS,A,KILLER .
I was,responding to a,post about people killing people over religion
Sorry but your Church has,a,history if that ..And ALLOWING their monarchs,they helped to the throne. To torture Jews and others into belief .
I really think.That is,why GOD ALLOWED THE BREAKING AWAY ..ABSOLUTE,POWER CORRUPTS,ABSOLUTELY
And,HUMAN MEN HAD HUGE POWER IN THE PAPACY..
And,so did he English Church..God is,not behind any killing in his,name
People here are passionate ..But not killers,
,
RoSesez

Peace

People kill because they are passionate. They first kill Christ within themselves, and then the object to which they hate. That goes for either Protestants or Catholics, who call themselves Christians.

The book of 1st John goes into detail....

Peace
Human Being

Chatham, LA

#478541 Sep 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
And you think JESUS,DID NOT KNOW,HIS,WORD WOULD,RING TRUE TO HEARTS,
centuries,later ..
Unless,again ..did,the pope invent them...some,monk ??
If not JOHN wrote,EXACTLY WHAT JESUS,wanted us,to know,to be,saved,..
RoSesz

Peace

The sower is God, the seed is the word.

There are many people that have plenty of seed in their life, may know the Bible backwards and forwards, but that does not mean they are saved. So knowing the Bible does not save a person. Rather it is after a person is saved, that the scripture becomes effective if one believes and acts upon it.

First one must be humble before God, and listen, to have one's ear opened, that faith might bring about repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ.

There are some here that know the Bible backwards and forwards....
Gods R Delusions

Orlando, FL

#478542 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Well its the same One I posted here some 4-5 years ago in this thread.
You know you have posted truth when the postie does not even attempt to refute the evidence at hand and the only tactic they employ is name calling and in a lame attempt to try an make a diversion from the facts at hand try to mud slinging hoping nobody will notice they can't refute the facts at hand.
Thanks for that its nice to know I posted truth.
No kidding?

Other than a faith's manififestation - how it is lived - what othr "facts" do you have to refute another's faith?

Otherwise, agreed. Lot's of mudslinging.
Human Being

Chatham, LA

#478543 Sep 26, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>why don't you shut up! never have I ever saw GIF say that he hates a catholic just because they are a catholic and the same goes for me.
However I do despise liars and you are 1.
Preston

Peace

You ask me over and over to stop talking to you, and I comply. But you keep addressing me, as though you have some power to dictate over me, to tell me what to do. I think you are very confused.

By the way some have said they would tear down every RCC church, and burn all their books. If that is not being part of a hate-filled crowd, well, then I don't know what is....It is the same hate that led to the conflict between Catholics and Protestants. Its interesting how long hate is kept alive, by justification and revenge....

Peace
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#478544 Sep 26, 2013
"Through none others know we the disposition of our salvation, than those through whom the gospel came to us, first heralding it, then by the will of God delivering to us the Scriptures, which were to be the foundation and pillar of our faith...But when, the heretics are Scriptures, as if they were wrong, and unauthoritative, and were variable, and the truth could not be extracted from them by those who were ignorant of Tradition...And when we challenge them in turn what that tradition, which is from the Apostles, which is guarded by the succession of elders in the churches, they oppose themselves to Tradition, saying that they are wiser, not only than those elders, but even than the Apostles. The Tradition of the Apostles, manifested 'on the contrary' in the whole world, is open in every Church to all who see the truth...And, since it is a long matter in a work like this to enumerate these successions, we will confute them by pointing to the Tradition of that greatest and most ancient and universally known Church, founded and constituted at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, a tradition which she has had and a faith which she proclaims to all men from those Apostles.' Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3,1-3 (inter A.D. 180/199).

"We do not take our scriptural teaching from the parables but we interpret the parables according to our teaching." Tertullian, Purity 9,1 (c. A.D. 200).

'Let them show the origins of their churches, let them unroll the list of their bishops, through a succession coming down from the very beginning that their first bishop had his authority and predecessor someone from among the number of Apostles or apostolic men and, further, that he did not stray from the Apostles. In this way the apostolic churches present their earliest records. The church of Smyrna, for example, records that Polycarp was named by John; the Romans, that Clement was ordained by Peter. In just the same way, the other churches show who were made bishops by the Apostles and who transmitted the apostolic seed to them. Let the heretics invent something like that.' Tertullian, The Prescription Against Heretics 32 (c. A.D. 200).
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#478545 Sep 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If you go back to last week and then the week before, you'll see that I took the time to refute almost every single one and provided links. When I got to 20 something, it became a big joke, so I stopped. I realized they could care less that they just posted a lie. Like them, you'll believe what you're going to believe no matter what.
The Bible fell out of the sky; the Apostles didn't explain their writings properly and their Disciples immediately messed up the will of Jesus. The Roman Catholic Church corrupted all of Christianity until they printed and published the Bible for the first time on October 22, 1452. Now folks like you could decide for yourselves what Christianity is. Luther came along, decided that there were 7 more Books that weren't Biblical and pulled them out.
Yeah, this is the scenario you think is truth.
I don't know what you have recently posted or not.
Luther did not pull any books out.
I was confirmed in a Luther fellowship many years ago and my bible included the Apocrypha not to be considered scripture to be used for doctrine but an aid as would a writing of an early church father.
The Books where never canonized by the RCC until the 16th century. After Luther declared them not to be considered scripture.
But the question is which Apocrypha it has changed over the centuries.
Jerome the translator of the Latin Bible did not consider them scripture either as did the early church fathers, as did the Jews as did Jesus.
If you wish to enter into a debate of the facts be prepared to be soundly defeated, I know what I am posting I have studied intensely and I am ready to give an answer to the truth in and out of season.
3552
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#478546 Sep 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You have to remember too, those aren't new doctrines the Church invented. There clarifications at council. For example: They didn't add 7 Books at the council of Trent nor did they suddenly teach that Sacred Scripture and Sacred tradition are equal. The latter was obvious to all of Christendom. Scripture flowed from tradition. That's why we have a Bible.
There was no need to publicly declare this because nobody argued against it. Same thing with the 7 Books.(Guttenberg Bible that was published a hundred yrs before Trent had 73 Books). Suddenly there are reformers teaching new and strange doctrines. The Church held council to clarify truth. Then men like you turn around and stab them in the back and tell everyone, "look the RCC just invented Transubstantion".
You know nothing of history
The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion your Pope even created a new order of Priests to carry out the inquisitions, trace that one back to early church fathers.

The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence

There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins.(Read 1st John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Romans 8:1).

This was not taught by Jesus his Apostles or early church fathers nope not a chance.

The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX

The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior.(Read Romans 3:23; 5:12; Psalm 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47).

Again Not taught in the Bible, early church fathers.

YOU are either deceiver or brainwashed take your pick
truth

The Vines, Australia

#478547 Sep 26, 2013
Jesus Christ win death on Cross!

Jesus Christ name above all.

If you suffering represent your suffering trough prayers.

God always listen prayers.

My God is Omnipresent.

Our lovely God is full of Mercy.

Don't worry if you fall under Cross of your life.

Pray more and more.

We know who don't liked prayers.
Clay

Houston, TX

#478548 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what you have recently posted or not.
Luther did not pull any books out.
I was confirmed in a Luther fellowship many years ago and my bible included the Apocrypha not to be considered scripture to be used for doctrine but an aid as would a writing of an early church father.
The Books where never canonized by the RCC until the 16th century. After Luther declared them not to be considered scripture.
But the question is which Apocrypha it has changed over the centuries.
Jerome the translator of the Latin Bible did not consider them scripture either as did the early church fathers, as did the Jews as did Jesus.
If you wish to enter into a debate of the facts be prepared to be soundly defeated, I know what I am posting I have studied intensely and I am ready to give an answer to the truth in and out of season.
3552
You can never pass on puffing your chest out. I would love to have you 'soundly defeat me'. I guess I didn't realize this was a game.
Consider these facts:

The Bible was published for the first time in 1452. This Bible included the 7 Books.
The official Jewish canon of scripture was compiled in 90 AD. That's after Christianity began.
Around the time of Jesus, Jewish sects did not recognize the same Books as scripture.
The Sadducees recognized 5. They did not consider anything after the torah as sacred scripture. Did Jesus correct them when they tried to trap Him with a question about Heaven? No, He simply used the Books that they considered scripture to show their error.
The Pharisees used the more similar Books that you'll find in the Protestant Bible today.
The Essenes had a little more than the Pharisees as evident by the Dead Sea Scrolls. They had more copies of Tobit than some of the Books now in your OT canon. So its tough to argue that they didn't consider Tobit as inspired. They also had Sirach, which Jesus Himself quoted from.

In short, Luther and the reformers told everyone the Catholic Church added 7 more Books than the Jews, so they removed them. Well, the Church added allot more than 7 to the Bible. They added 27 other ones at the council of Rome, Cathrige and Hippo in the 4th century.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#478549 Sep 26, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what you have recently posted or not.
Luther did not pull any books out.
I was confirmed in a Luther fellowship many years ago and my bible included the Apocrypha not to be considered scripture to be used for doctrine but an aid as would a writing of an early church father.
The Books where never canonized by the RCC until the 16th century. After Luther declared them not to be considered scripture.
But the question is which Apocrypha it has changed over the centuries.
Jerome the translator of the Latin Bible did not consider them scripture either as did the early church fathers, as did the Jews as did Jesus.
If you wish to enter into a debate of the facts be prepared to be soundly defeated, I know what I am posting I have studied intensely and I am ready to give an answer to the truth in and out of season.
3552
"Jerome the translator of the Latin Bible did not consider them scripture either as did the early church fathers, as did the Jews as did Jesus."

St. Jerome was sceptical, but in the end did agree. Certainly the fathers did debate, even some books that we both consider today were debated. The Jews of the diaspora had the Septuagint. You seem to want to place the burden of proof on the Catholic Church, but why do the Orthodox and all the other ancient Churches consider them scripture?
truth

The Vines, Australia

#478550 Sep 26, 2013
My God don't need false lips with humble double mining.
My God don't need or asked kiss me in my hand.
If you suffering
pray and cry o don't worry..offer yourself with prayers on that Cross..its pain which never exist before with hands and lags body and mind.

If you experience that on Cross as INRI don't be afraid of great liars.
God know all your error or weakness but don't be afraid from corupt lips.

Love your God with your minds.

Crown pain is most worst then anything
o don't worry what they going tell you.

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