Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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"Jesus said his Church would be "the light of the world." He then noted that "a city set on a hill cannot be hid" (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return.
Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517.(Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)
Only the Catholic Church existed in the first century, tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.
Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches that send out door-to-door missionaries are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. Some even began during your own lifetime. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.
The Catholic Church has existed for over 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human members— even some of its leaders—have been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.
Any merely human organization with such members would have collapsed early on. The Catholic Church is today the most vigorous church in the world (and the largest, with over a billion members: one seventh of the human race), and that is testimony not to the cleverness of the Church’s leaders, but to the protection of the Holy Spirit."
Thanks be to God!!!
FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH
If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.
The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813–822)
Jesus established only ONE Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.
His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2).
THESE SCRIPTURES BELOW SAY NOTHING ABOUT A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

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THESE SCRIPTURES BELOW SAY NOTHING ABOUT A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND YOU LIE WHEN YOU SAY IT DOES

Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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<quoted text>Jesus didn't start your church. he never would have approved of such EVIL!!!!
This must be one of those nonjudgental posts and respectful non personal attacks that you oft claim you never have done. Eureka!

God knows your heart, yes he does and so do we. I truly am sorry that you have so much hatred and bitterness in you. Rather than seek to attack the Orthodox or rather your views of Orthodoxy. I continue to hope and pray that those who seek the truth in charity continue to come together and work to resolve misunderstanding and work together to promote Christ and seek common values and beliefs rather than dig for differences out of spite with contempt.
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YOU ATTEMPT to sow discord between Hermi and I...
this is what God says about such actions
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and
-->he that soweth discord among brethren.
Show me where I used a lying tongue (pro 6:17). Show me where I used 'wicked imaginations' in my post (pro 6:18). Where did I give false witness and 'speaketh lies'?(pro 6:19)

Don't manipulate sacred scripture for your own agenda. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of you two. If I stated a lie, present it and I'll apologize.

Nick believes the bread becomes the actual flesh of the Lord upon the prayers of the validly ordained Priest. You believe he is goin to eternal damnation for idolatry as a result.

So instead of trying to appear all cozy in order to mock my posts (which is what you two were doing) why don't you be a man and help him out before he - according to you- will lose his soul.
Why? Cuz you're a phony who's more concerned about your hatred for the Catholic Church. You'll ally with someone you believe is an idolator to advance your hatred.
Sowing discord am I? Or pointing out the discord?

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So he didn't make any of us because we are all sinners??
Now hurry and run to dear hubby for help.:-D
In case you missed it.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/507...
----Britannica.com
The Roman Catholic Church traces its history to Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Over the course of centuries it developed a highly sophisticated theology and an elaborate organizational structure headed by the papacy, the oldest continuing absolute monarchy in the world.
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The number of Roman Catholics in the world (nearly 1.2 billion) is greater than that of nearly all other religious traditions. There are more Roman Catholics than all other Christians combined and more Roman Catholics than all Buddhists or
Hindus. Although there are more Muslims than Roman Catholics, the number of
***Roman Catholics is greater than that of the individual traditions of Sh&#299;&#703;ite and
Sunni Islam.
These incontestable statistical and historical facts suggest that some understanding of Roman Catholicism—its history, its institutional structure, its beliefs and practices, and its place in the world—is an indispensable component of cultural literacy, regardless of how one may individually answer the ultimate questions of life and death and faith. Without a grasp of what Roman Catholicism is, it is difficult to make historical sense of the Middle Ages, intellectual sense of the works of Thomas Aquinas, literary sense of The Divine Comedy of Dante, artistic sense of the Gothic cathedrals, or musical sense of many of the compositions of Haydn and Mozart.
“The Encyclopedia Britannica is published with the editorial advice of the faculties of the
University of Chicago,
University of Oxford, Cambridge, London and Edinburgh:
a committee at the University of Toronto and
committees drawn from members of the faculties of the University of Tokyo and
The Australian National University”
I DONT run to my hubby for help. this is a public forum and he is entitled to respond to ANY POST he wishes..Are You jealous of the relationship that Nick and I have???? you must be or you wouldn't mention it...

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THESE SCRIPTURES BELOW SAY NOTHING ABOUT A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND YOU LIE WHEN YOU SAY IT DOES
Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

ALL HUMBEING UPON THE EARTH..

HAVE THE RIGHT TO

FOLLOW JESUS

WHO SAID

Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar_13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Joh_10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

JESUS SAID

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGIOUS SOCIETY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT..
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THESE SCRIPTURES BELOW SAY NOTHING ABOUT A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND YOU LIE WHEN YOU SAY IT DOES
Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
You would have no clue that those verses even existed if it wasn't for the Catholic Church. That's the irony in all this. So how dare you turn around and stab them in the back... Using those same verses. Who do you think you are anyway?

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Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
ALL HUMAN BEING UPON THE EARTH..
HAVE THE RIGHT TO
FOLLOW JESUS
WHO SAID
Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mar_13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Joh_10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
JESUS SAID
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGIOUS SOCIETY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT..
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Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH CANNOT STEAL THE SON SHIP FROM THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF JESUS,...
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it is written
From beginning tribe against tribe people against people as well nation against nation.

'desire within humans is to have'

Deceivers and possessors perfectly describe in scripture.
-To be tempted and act of defenders how in Heaven it is on Earth, its written.

Human weakness and error your Creator know others simply play and try let down.

Without any war we have on Earth another much more worse things as peaceful way.
Production where every river and sweet water become polluted as well re-genetic structure food medicine cloth and so on which go fast and under force as never before.
Pattern weather start changing too but many know trough science and knowledge how play even that big game.
Effect of living have impact on everyone.

We been teach to be protective.
Today is deference humans as well alive animals fish and so on become prime target as investment for money.

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I wasn't speaking for him. I cited his beliefs and exposed the hypocrisy of a man like Confrint and Herm, gaining up to make fun of my posts. The truth is, they couldn't be further apart in theology..... And you and your husband have plenty of tests to defend your beliefs in things like the Eucharist (which is Jesus Christ Himself) but you choose not to defend Our Lord in public because you'd rather not appear to have anything in common with Catholics.
wrong...and again you take the actions for speaking for nick and me.....you haven't a clue and your actions on this forum would turn anyone against the catholic church.You and your buddies are too prideful to see your misgivings..you started an argument and now are trying to" deflect it"
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Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
ALL HUMBEING UPON THE EARTH..
HAVE THE RIGHT TO
FOLLOW JESUS
WHO SAID
Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mar_13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Joh_10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
JESUS SAID
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGIOUS SOCIETY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT..
The Roman Catholic Religious Society??? Lol is that what you guy are naming us now? That sounds like a fraternity. Lol.

The Church is the Church. Throw whatever adjective you want.. Its just your man made opinion anyway.

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You would have no clue that those verses even existed if it wasn't for the Catholic Church. That's the irony in all this. So how dare you turn around and stab them in the back... Using those same verses. Who do you think you are anyway?
Mat_4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luk_4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

GET BEHIND ME SATAN...I AM NOT BEHOLDING TO YOU OR YOUR PAGAN RELIGIOUS SOCIETY FOR MY ETERNAL LIFE...

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I wasn't speaking for him. I cited his beliefs and exposed the hypocrisy of a man like Confrint and Herm, gaining up to make fun of my posts. The truth is, they couldn't be further apart in theology..... And you and your husband have plenty of tests to defend your beliefs in things like the Eucharist (which is Jesus Christ Himself) but you choose not to defend Our Lord in public because you'd rather not appear to have anything in common with Catholics.
I have nothing in common with the Catholic's in this forum THANK GOD!!!!!stay a catholic because you will never understand where nick and I are coming from. All you see is fight and defend.....you cant see love, humility....
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On peaceful way we have destruction within human
body as structure which others very well used and on very peaceful way misused.
'weed seed and good seed'
Scripture describe Jesus Christ words is perfect.

We speak about addictions too.

Many preechers and priest say error or sin go out from mouth.

I say to you its going inside too much more fast then out.
Every Spirit is not holy..possession is part of many organization.
-there is a very low organization
-there is a very high organization
For general destruction of life and health which try ruin every person and every family.

Many organization don't liked see challenge of them for beneficiary of others on huge scale.
Elimination is become prime to become target but defended of themself attacking others.
Misleading and set up with many documents on nice way is not better then someone become very laud
shouting against all of them.

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Mat_4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luk_4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
GET BEHIND ME SATAN...I AM NOT BEHOLDING TO YOU OR YOUR PAGAN RELIGIOUS SOCIETY FOR MY ETERNAL LIFE...
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I AM BORN AGAIN

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I AM A SON OF GOD

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST JESUS

2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

I AM A FELLOW CITIZEN WITH THE SAINTS

Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

I AM THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I AM A JOINT HEIR WITH CHRIST

Gal_4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

YOU ARE ROMAN CATHOLICS AN THAT IS ALL...

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This is the why you shouldn't butt into peoples conversations. Sola scripture is not believed by Orthodox or Catholics. Therefore, I asked an Orthodox why she appeared to side with a Protestant when her Church is not in agreement with them on this issue.
Its really of no concern to you..
Lie.You stated that the apostles were killed by the Jews. Myself and Sera were interested in which Apostles were killed by Jews, which by Romans, etc. I thought you knew since you posted this. We aked you to posst this into. You never did . you switched to some comment re Sola Scriptura and areal Orthodox would never supportsuprised.. am not
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The problem is that I don't believe you. I don't think you're all about love and humility.

Nick mocked my post in a rather long parody. And that was weird, because he shares the exact belief as I do on scripture. And Confrint -never missing a chance for some Catholic bashing- joined in on the fun.
I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of those two.
You and Nick are puzzling as well.
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Show me where I used a lying tongue (pro 6:17). Show me where I used 'wicked imaginations' in my post (pro 6:18). Where did I give false witness and 'speaketh lies'?(pro 6:19)
Don't manipulate sacred scripture for your own agenda. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of you two. If I stated a lie, present it and I'll apologize.
Nick believes the bread becomes the actual flesh of the Lord upon the prayers of the validly ordained Priest. You believe he is goin to eternal damnation for idolatry as a result.
So instead of trying to appear all cozy in order to mock my posts (which is what you two were doing) why don't you be a man and help him out before he - according to you- will lose his soul.
Why? Cuz you're a phony who's more concerned about your hatred for the Catholic Church. You'll ally with someone you believe is an idolator to advance your hatred.
Sowing discord am I? Or pointing out the discord?
Yes Clay while the hypocrisy is very apparent to the Catholics here, its of no use. I would have no problem with Herme and Sere if they didnt at every turn attack Catholics and the church and then the blatant lie of not giving personal insults or that its just about getting them to fight. If its not important then they should not have anything to say to Catholics, because despite the massive attempt to deny anything Catholic within them the fact is the Orthodx and Catholic Churches have more in common than any other.

I would be careful though about the in betweens. For example the Orthodox on purgatory. The church really doesnt teach anything on purgatory other than its a process or a place that involves some discomfort and that nothing unclean shall enter into heaven. Semantics can get heavy in this area.

The real presense while some Orthodox do accept transubstantiation others do not. In the end though it is the true body, blood soul and divinity of Christ. Catholics are accused of trying to define this, but in the end we accept it as a mystery in faith what Christ said. If we are mocked for it then so be it. I still dont think people were dying because they were having a cracker snack and that is very disrpectful. Most Orthdodox I know believe Christ is present. While they do not do Adoration most Orthodox I encounter will bow out of respect. For Christ is present and just as they would not disrespect a King. The King of Kings is present.

Arguing about whether it is leavened our unleavened it is kind of sad how both sides acted on that. Cultural differences in styles of worship are less important than the actual belief.

The ever virginity of Mary is a shared belief. It may not be for these two but yes it is true the All Pangia (sinless) Mary was sinless. Fr. John Myendort (Orthodox scholar) Who nevertheless some Orthdox call a heretic has said that if not for the difference in the concept of Original sin the Orthodox would likely have wholly accepted the Immaculate conception. However there are Orthdox who do subscribe to it. Ultimately though what was being contested is the sinlessness of Mary and the proclamation that Catholics have to believe Mary did not need a saviour. This of course is an empty argument and lacks the knowledge of what the church teaches on that and why. Her sinlessness was never the question. When it happened was. However ever virgin was proclaimed dogma when the churches were one. Yet some Orthodox today have chosen to deny this, cancelling out validity of councils. There are cafeteria Catholics as well. Saying Im Catholic and adhering to the faith on your own terms are different.

Surely Christ knew that there would be disagreements. The Apostles had one on circumcision. Its clear that Paul had a dispute with his traveling companion. The extent of which is unclear. There are disciplines, doctrines, theological discussions and dogmas as you know, but Protestants often dont understand the difference nor do they wish to.

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You would have no clue that those verses even existed if it wasn't for the Catholic Church. That's the irony in all this. So how dare you turn around and stab them in the back... Using those same verses. Who do you think you are anyway?
The question is WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE! Never mind I got the answer...your the trouble maker....

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The one before that was a jab. Whateva...I do not care. Have a good night.
Lie.You stated that the apostles were killed by the Jews. Myself and Sera were interested in which Apostles were killed by Jews, which by Romans, etc. I thought you knew since you posted this. We aked you to posst this into. You never did . you switched to some comment re Sola Scriptura and areal Orthodox would never support someone over a Catholic.I am not suprised that history would be changed.

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