Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#478042 Sep 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry your confused. I gave enough info for you to go on if you're interested in searching it yourself.
Google when the OT Jewish canon came into an agreement by the various Jewish sects.
The Jews were not unanimous on the canon until after Jesus was crucified and rose.
This means that Luther and the reformers chose to accept the canon declared by post Christian Jews.
Seriously Clay ...And you ARE the one,who takes the most posts,from us because you answer more ..

But really ...unless It's,fine one of you Saud YOUR SCRIPTURE ..meaning one of your clergy wrote it in a basement .

If the Gospels,are TRue..the letter from Paul authentic ...

If the history if the Jews,is,true ..the,Prophets,correctly quoted

I'm fine with what I read in it . AND THEY DO NOT BELONG tO THE RCC ALONE ..

Whatever Apocryphal books are in your bible ..great if hey inspire you .

The rest of the bible says the same in your bible and mine ...OURS ..he BODY OF BELIEVERS,...the CHURCH

And,addressing Surach ...Well JESUS IS IN EFFEXT THE AUTHOR if the BOOKS...any actual quotes were,originally from Him
And only used by Him to show,truth to he people who knew,the,law and the prophets,

For any of His teachings,He used parables HE MADE UP....

Any words,in a,prayer to God the,FATHER WERE HIS ALONE .

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#478043 Sep 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, um, not sure how what I asked can be seen as twisting. We both believe writings that were penned by men. My criteria for believing their inspiration are different than yours.
...whereas my criteria is based upon what Jesus stated.

Yep - we do have different beliefs.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#478044 Sep 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
My criteria for believing their inspiration are different than yours.
That is because you like to limit "God's inspiration".

I don't.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#478045 Sep 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Then it was the one before that. Whatever.
I was in the middle of a debate about sola scripture/scripture canon/scripture authenticity with someone else. You chimed in and appeared to take a jab me and I found that odd being that you should be in agreement with the Catholic Church on this subject.
No....I had a sincere question when I asked you which Apostles were killed by Jews and which were killed by Romans. You took that as a jab but no jab was intended.I am sorry that you misunderstood me...
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#478046 Sep 24, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I attended Baptist Church and was,Baptized ...after taking instruction..the CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS NEVER MENTIONED ..in one sermon..
I WATCH a Baptist preacher on TV at times,..nope no CATHOLIC s
Mentioned ..I have learned a lit since becoming a born again Christian..But never anything like what I ave heard here,..But then this is a,discussion board not a,Church ..
You haven't learned much it seems except what you want to believe.

Oh, no not Gif. Nothing but postive things about Catholics from that guy. lol

Yeah, pretty amazing how blind you are. All you have to do is turn on the tv or radio and I am pretty sure a day doesnt go by where some Protestant isnt attacking the Catholic Church. Its just Catholics who are mean. Oh wait...If you could actually read and see what your so called fellow brethren are posting daily in here, but that would be too much trouble. We all have it wrong, because John Paul II said its all good. NOT!

Lets see we are called the whore of Babylon, satan worhsippers, contanteists, idol worshippers, we are not saved, the church is evil, an abortion to the truth, we cant wait for the next crusade or inquistion which most of them know nothing about. The Eucharist is a cracker snack, we are cannibals, we dont know anything about scripture, Mary is a goddess, we pray to dead people, we added books to the bible, we drink wine behind curtains, all priests are pedophiles and drunks, Catholics sin it up all they want, Catholics are all liberals and promoters of homosexcuality, priests make loads of cash on funerals and annulments. The pope is God, False Jesuit Oaths, the Catholics have always been a bully and have always condoned hating the Jews, We baptize wrong, we do it all wrong. Not a single thing good in the church. The love just gushes out them when they arent arguing with one another.

Dispicable. Basically all you have to do is attack the church and then the rest is golden whatever you believe its ok. I missed quite a few others, but Roman Catholics are definitely going to Hell because Gif said so and All Catholics are definitely Roman Catholic those other Rites just didnt get the memo though. Dont you know the Waldensians werent really founded by their founder he met up with them and they go all the way back to the beginning. Must have been a big secret to everyone else.

The church believes it has the fullness of the truth. We are responding to your attacks and harsh denigration and twisting of what we believe. I dont know any Catholic in here who has said any protestant is going to hell, but a whole lot of Protestants have said Catholics are. You better check with Ox and other Baptists that drift in and out in attack mode, before you come to the conclusion that your little Baptist church is all innocent just like the rest. If you actually discussed but you dont, you just close your eyes. When Protestants were saying no protestants cover up abuse and I proved that was not true, you went into attack mode and got angry. Why? It wasnt about my church is better than your church for me it was but hyporisy and turning a blind eye to the truth. You excel at that and you have also refused to look at what the church teaches and why. Sorry, but you have made many false accusations yourself.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#478047 Sep 24, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Aha ..That makes you Lucy!!!! I knew it !!
Lucy with brown hair..lol

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#478048 Sep 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
You might find this interesting Rose.
"No communion for Nancy Pelosi: Vatican court head"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/...
GOOD FOR THE CARDINAL..the,Church has rightly come out before on this,..But Biden and Pelosi were at the inaugural Mass for the Pope..
Proudly announcing themselves,as CATHOLIC..dud they receive Communion.in Rome .

What's bad . Really ..is the people next to many of us in Church who vote for these people ..

My sister ..very involved in her Church..gets,really upset over the attitude of other Catholics on voting .

By the polls almost half who voted votes liberally ..And for this,administration..i think that's,why they kept Biden ..

Some non CATHOLUCS,too but not at the percentage if Catholics.

I really don't understand it ..my Catholics friends,, I know ow they voted ..And how upset They are,..so who are theses,people .

I really wonder but good for he,Cardinal ..wonder what her pastor will do ???
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#478049 Sep 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
...whereas my criteria is based upon what Jesus stated.
Yep - we do have different beliefs.
I thought you admitted to believing men? Do you have a text written by Jesus?
Clay

United States

#478050 Sep 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>No....I had a sincere question when I asked you which Apostles were killed by Jews and which were killed by Romans. You took that as a jab but no jab was intended.I am sorry that you misunderstood me...
The one before that was a jab. Whateva...I do not care. Have a good night.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#478051 Sep 24, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe in all HIS teachings. 50 yrs? You misunderstood hojo. Show me the post.
My prayers will never get to your house, I'm sending them up to Jesus' and his helpers. RV 8
:-)
It is a nice gesture...and should be appreciated for what it is. You have a good heart...whether I agree with your beliefs or not.
Just say'n...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#478053 Sep 24, 2013
thehe traditional english verses parenthetically.

Ave maria! maiden mild!
O listen to a maiden's prayer!
For thou canst hear amid the wild
( for thou canst hear though from the wild)
Tis thou, tis thou canst save amid despair.
We slumber safely 'til the morrow,
(safe may we sleep beneath thy care,)
Tho' we, by men, outcast, reviled;
(tho' banish'd, outcast, and reviled;)
O maiden! see a maiden's sorrow -
O mother, hear a suppliant child!
Ave maria!

Ave maria! undefiled!
The flinty couch whereon we're sleeping
(the flinty couch we now must share)
Shall seem with down of eider piled,
If thou above, sweet, watch our keeping
(if thy protection hover there.)
The murky cavern's air's so heavy
(the murky cavern's heavy air)
Shall breathe of balm if thou hast smiled;
O maiden! hear a maiden's pleading!
(then, maiden! hear a maiden's prayer;)
O mother, hear a suppliant child!
Ave maria!

Ave maria! stainless styled!
O fiends of air and earth the essence
(foul demons of the earth and air)
From this their wonted haunt exiled
Shall flee before thy holy presence
(shall fee before thy presence fair)

We bow beneath our care so laden
(we bow us to our lot of care)
To thy dear guidance reconciled;
(beneath thy guidance reconciled;)
Then hear, o maiden, simple maiden!
(hear for a maid, a maiden's prayer;)
And for a father hear a child!
Ave maria!

~~~~~~

If Mary is not worshiped by Roman Catholics

Why does this song above glorify Her..

and give the impression that she is a mediator between

man and Jesus ...

When the Bible says

1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#478054 Sep 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
That is because you like to limit "God's inspiration".
I don't.
I certainly don't. But there were only a limited number of men chosen lead and appoint successors.

Are there ANY early writings you do reject? If so, why?
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#478055 Sep 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I ridicule the process of prayer, because I've yet to see it actually help someone. Just like every other so-called "Christian" on this forum and others, not one of you have openly decided to test prayer. All because you know deep down inside, that it is a mental rub thatyou make upon yourself, and to go about and show others some sort of compassion. When in truth, you probably could care less about my wife or me, just because I believe completely different than you.
Please make sure you have your story straight, before imposing false claims upon the forum.
And if you had paid attention to me, you may have learned a thing or two about yourself.
Maybe you did and have, but are just to darn afraid to admit that you had.
Who knows. You Catholics are always so self-centered, that it seems to cause the advice posted by others to become taboo, because you would rather believe other men had given you your correct belief.
Did you think I wouldn't read your post?
Please, Nasl, I've had enough. In fact, way more than my share.

I could have given you advice about how to care for your wife because I was the sole caregiver for my bed-ridden father for over two years before he died. He had had two major strokes and God knows how many TIAs. They affected his legs, he could no longer walk; also his bowels, his bladder, his arm and hands. In the middle of it all, I broke my ankle and was dealing with other health issues. Then he contracted MRSA in the hospital or rehab. It was a nightmare. He suffered a great deal. But I figured you knew what to do. She's your wife, after all. No one knows better than you how to love her. If you don't, no one can tell you how.

There are several people on this forum who suffer in silence, Nasl. They might mention it once or twice, but that's it. They don't make a fuss about it. We pray for them as well, we just don't say much, if anything, about it. I do care or else I would have said nothing. I was very sad to hear about her and still am. I also feel for you as you must be devastated. Nevertheless, if it makes you feel better to belittle and ridicule me, there's nothing I can do about that. And, yes, of course I knew you would read my post. It is a forum after all. Maybe you would like it better if I gushed all over you and made myself look good in the eyes of....men??

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#478056 Sep 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I got the flu shot not nick. He can not take them because he has a very low immune system. Nickie lives in a bubble just about.He leaves the house only for doctors appointments and then he has to wear a mask.And company is restricted is to family only and he sypes with the grandkids.He can not be around people...
Ya. You got it because they do not want you to be a "carrier" to a possible "disaster" in his depreciated (compromised) condition of health and susceptibility. Wise doctors. If he is ever feeling the "lows", feel free to contact me...I will do all I can to help(from afar) in the situation...but you already know that.
I know that this sounds quite odd and unfamiliar to many folks on here, but I have developed a love for you two folks that can not be explained.
It is what it is...
Your "heathen" friend.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#478057 Sep 24, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
GOOD FOR THE CARDINAL..the,Church has rightly come out before on this,..But Biden and Pelosi were at the inaugural Mass for the Pope..
Proudly announcing themselves,as CATHOLIC..dud they receive Communion.in Rome .
What's bad . Really ..is the people next to many of us in Church who vote for these people ..
My sister ..very involved in her Church..gets,really upset over the attitude of other Catholics on voting .
By the polls almost half who voted votes liberally ..And for this,administration..i think that's,why they kept Biden ..
Some non CATHOLUCS,too but not at the percentage if Catholics.
I really don't understand it ..my Catholics friends,, I know ow they voted ..And how upset They are,..so who are theses,people .
I really wonder but good for he,Cardinal ..wonder what her pastor will do ???
"By the polls almost half who voted votes liberally ..And for this,administration..i think that's,why they kept Biden ..
Some non CATHOLUCS,too but not at the percentage if Catholics."

You obviously ignored the link I gave the last time we had this discussion. I told you before, they are Catholic-in-name-only, like Pelosi and Biden. The polls you see break the percentage down among weekly mass goers and others who rarely go. I doubt Obama got 15% of the vote from weekly mass goers in my Church.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#478058 Sep 24, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
The BODY OF BELIEVERS IS THE BRIDE ...NOT JUST YOUR CHURCH
Just to be clear here ..
I never saw that much difference between our faiths ..IN JESUS AS SAVIOUR ..until reading some of the posts here .
No Rose, Christ can have but ONE SPOUSE and that is the Church that HE started!![Mt 16:18] Not a man-made church like yours…John Smyth started the Baptist church in Amsterdam.

The BIG difference between your faith and ours is ……JESUS STARTED OURS. Yours is man-made.
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes,Mary is,more important to the CATHOLIC..
Blessed Mother Mary is important to us because JESUS himself said...”Behold Your Mother” That is what we do.
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
You have sacraments .
For a Catholic that went to Catholic school, you sure didn’t learn much.
Every Sacrament we have is Bible base. You guy have sacraments too, only two.
Remember what sacrament means?? A sacrament is instituted by Christ to give us Grace. If you want I can give each one to you, with the bible reference.
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
But BASICALLY WE ALL HAVE THE SAME FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOUR .
MY FAIH IN HIM IS not DEPRNDENT ON having differences with you .
Despite what you want to believe I never heard a,sermon about Catholics.
Rose, every Christian church believes that JESUS is our Savior!!!
The big difference is our 7 Sacraments that protestant do not practice.
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Argument here is on the premise THAT only your CURRENT CHURCH is true to Jesus .
Only TRUE because he founded HIS Church. Man founded yours and made up new rules to follow!!
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you tell that to.your old friends ..try to convert them..or their faith is no good
I'm saying to you ...
We eAch who claim out loud,Jesus as,Lord and Our SAVIOUR have a,place in.His,will...I dint care,how old you believe the RCC IS .
Jesus is our ONLY HIGH PRIEST ..ITS HIM WE WORSHIP
AS you know JESUS is the center of our MASS, no one else. We receive JESUS on Sundays in the Holy Eucharist and during the week if we like.[John 6]

How many times do you receive him? Once every 6

month? Some of Jesus followers rejected the

Eucharist, pretty much like you guys.[ John 6:64-71]

Continue

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#478059 Sep 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
What's disturbing to me Rose is the fact you gloss over so many of the posts by protestants who condemn Catholics and the Church. I've been here a few years and I think it's running about 100-1. I, personally, don't see protestants as enemies at all, and the Church certainly doesn't. What saddens me is how mis-informed many of you are. Most of us are more than willing to explain our beliefs in the spirit of friendship and understanding, but many of you, I think, are a bit leery of letting go of some the hardened opinions.
Have to say it's,partly true ..But a,good deal of posts,I'm looking at are,addressed to me ...And some are insulting ..personally

And I came back on this board ..I never realized how,far apart Catholics and non CATHOLICS are,...And a lot of it comes,from
as,I see,it ..."I'm a more holy person that you because if my Church""

You can't be right your not ......

WE ARE,BETTER CHRISTIAN THAN YOU ARE,

MY CHURCH IS,OLDER. BETTER ...
We have the,Pope ..You just read scripture

It's or scripture

Things,like that ..

Even down to personal insults ...

And anyone reading our posts who does,not believe but is curious will see us,all as poor examples of Christ ...IMO


WE LOVE AND PROFESS THE SAME JESUS,CHRIST ..I.HOPE

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#478060 Sep 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Nick believes in the Eucharist as the literal flesh of Jesus Christ. He believes in the ever virginity of Mary who also lived without sin..
He believes in confession to a Priest; baptism with water; the sacramental ordained Priesthood; Icons are present during the Holy Mass; incense; kneeling down before the Blessed Sacrament. Last Rites; a place between Heaven and Hell. He rejects your opinion that scripture is all Jesus wills for His ministry; He rejects your entire views on sola scripture and does not think you're an authority on it.
Did I miss anything Nick?
So what exactly is it, that you have in common with this man that you believe is headed to Hell for idolatry because he believes a piece of bread is Jesus Christ??
Clay....YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR MY HUSBAND NICK NOR DO YOU HAVE HIS PERMISSION TOO SPEAK FOR HIM!!!!!.YOU.. USING NICK AS A WEAPON WILL NOT BRING US CLOSE TO YOU FOR SURE. Nick is resting now but when he awakes I am sure HE will be more than happy to correct this post of yours with the FACTS ONCE MORE....What we believe and what the Orthodox Church beliefs WILL NEVER BE USED AS A WEAPON BY US!! I find this to be evil and disgusting that YOU would go so slow...Both Nick and I find confronting and his wife to be more Christian than you will ever be or ever hope to be.You are a prime example of someone that goes to church, confesses. takes communion, then goes home gets on the computer and insults everyone that is not in line with your church or your beliefs.Whats the purpose of even taking communion if your not even trying to live a CHRIST LIKE LIFE as THAT is the true reason for being a CHRISTIAN!!!!

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#478061 Sep 24, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
No Rose, Christ can have but ONE SPOUSE and that is the Church that HE started!![Mt 16:18] Not a man-made church like yours…John Smyth started the Baptist church in Amsterdam.
The BIG difference between your faith and ours is ……JESUS STARTED OURS. Yours is man-made.
<quoted text>
Blessed Mother Mary is important to us because JESUS himself said...”Behold Your Mother” That is what we do.
<quoted text>
For a Catholic that went to Catholic school, you sure didn’t learn much.
Every Sacrament we have is Bible base. You guy have sacraments too, only two.
Remember what sacrament means?? A sacrament is instituted by Christ to give us Grace. If you want I can give each one to you, with the bible reference.
<quoted text>
Rose, every Christian church believes that JESUS is our Savior!!!
The big difference is our 7 Sacraments that protestant do not practice.
<quoted text>
Only TRUE because he founded HIS Church. Man founded yours and made up new rules to follow!!
<quoted text>
AS you know JESUS is the center of our MASS, no one else. We receive JESUS on Sundays in the Holy Eucharist and during the week if we like.[John 6]
How many times do you receive him? Once every 6
month? Some of Jesus followers rejected the
Eucharist, pretty much like you guys.[ John 6:64-71]
Continue
Jesus didn't start your church. he never would have approved of such EVIL!!!!

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#478062 Sep 24, 2013
Pt 2 for Rose
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
IMO your efforts might be better spent talking to.your liberal fellow Catholics who are helping vote this country away ..DESPITE THE WELL MEANT WORDS FROM YOUR BISHOPS ..half of them vote liberally and for the most p to abortion candidate ever .
Surprise the liberal Catholics, are Catholics in name only.[btw Pelosi has been warned by her Bishop.[1Cor.11:27-29] She can be Catholic but CANNOT receive Jesus until she followers HIS teachings.]
; Pretty much like some in your church that call themselves Baptists but get drunk on weekends. When your church teaches no drinking and commit adultery. Sin is sin Rose..
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
We can spend our passion fighting among like minded Christians.
Most of us here are conservative I'll wager ..or we could at least unite when it's time to vote .
We will All be in the same boat ..as the SECULARISTS see NO. DIFFERENCE BEtweEM US ..should they decide we are expendable and get the power to silence us ..which they get more of every election..
As they fight to take down crosses or crucifixes in.cemeteries..
I'm reminded of that Star Tek episode with Frank.Goshen ..fighting over
Which side of their faces were painted EHAT color .
While we argue over Mary and Joseph...half of Catholics and 22 percent of PROTS ..put weapons in doctors hands by their pro abortion votes .
...And votes to shut GOD out if our lives ...And votes in some places to call our religion one of HATE .
You ever read any other forums ..they truly believe we want a theocracy .
That our commandments,and scripture preach hate .
So while we hide in our churches ..our votes get scarcer ...
SO let's,argue each other into annihilation
As this COUnry kills more babies and abandons Israel ..God made this country great ..why do you.think that is
WE ALL OF OUR FAITHS SPREAD HIS WORD ....And we are Israel a allies or have Been
I will BLESS those who Bless you ...God's words to Abraham..
We should all remember That .
He used ALL OF US ..not just the RCC ...so we could be strong in His,Grace when we were needed to BE USED BY HIM
I agree with everything you said above, the only way to is to join forces.
by voting those in the likes of Obama OUT. He is the most pro-abortion president of our time.
“If my daughter makes a mistake I wouldn’t want her to live with it”-----Obama L
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary's activities have nothing to do with our Salvation ..except giving birth o OUR Saviour
You wrote……
“except giving birth to OUR SAVIOR”
Rose that’s a big deal…..because she was chosen among all women.
“Hail FAVORED One”=Hail Mary full of GRACE!!!! Luke 1
Grace
Grace = gift of God; in Christianity, the infinite love, mercy, FAVOR, and goodwill shown by God.
fall from grace to lose a FAVORED or privileged position
Grace (v) dignify, honor, FAVOR distinguish.----
fa·vored [fáyv&#601;rd]
adj
. chosen: preferred to any other

.privileged: enjoying advantages or privileges denied to others

Blessed Mother Mary had everything to do with our salvation she brought forth our Savior!“Honor your father and mother,”“Behold your Mother” John 19:27.[Don’t be afraid to Love Mother Mary you’ll never love her more then Jesus does]
Blessed Mother Mary gathers followers for her Dear Son.
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
GOD ALLOWED FOR THE RDFORMATION AND YOUR NON CATHOLUC BROTHERS AND SISTERS
God did NOT allowed the reformation,[the evil one allowed it] Jesus wanted all to be ONE.[John 17:11]
One Lord, One Faith, ONE Baptists Eph 4:5
Martin Luther was a heretic, with his own ideas. Look at the confusion he caused
Sooo many protestant churches and non agree with each other.

Catholics are ONE, that like JESUS wanted. While ML was causing division, Our Blessed Mother was converting millions to her son.
At the wedding in Cana she said ‘Do what HE tells you.”

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