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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 653671 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#477071 Sep 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Do you really believe God would give us the scriptures without an earthly authority to safeguard and interpret them?
You do know the Bible wasn't published until October 22nd, 1452. Before then, the Prestons, Confrints and you did not have one sitting on your night stand. The Sacred scriptures were found inside the Churches with the Church protecting them. I respect your sincere zeal for Jesus and some of the Bible, but you aren't an authority to decide what the Apostles taught. I mean, they already explained what they wrote. I don't understand why you guys remove the word of God that they already revealed.
Why would you need any other earthly authority other than the elders of the local church?

There are NO earthly headquarters....
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#477072 Sep 19, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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BTW - you are wrong again, with your "thought".
They don't respond, because they don't know how to when someone double-talks at them. Lucky for them, I'm here, an ex-Catholic, who has heard the double talk for a good portion of my life.
I've figured out you guys, and guess what, I will make sure others have the correct information that your team has refused to convey.
Get over it - your tactic won't work with me, as I will continue to post to whomever says the smae ol' bullshite, as much as Catholics do.
Yes, Protestants, I haven't forgotten about you either.
:o)
Labeling something "double-talk" that refutes your position without having a rebuttal is considered "loosing the argument" in a debate.
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#477073 Sep 19, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
No. You just want to add qualifiers to the word, because you can't justify it by quantifying it.
I've shown you clear evidence that faith is acquired as one learns.
You've chosen to disregard this important point, and think other methods are used to acquire this faith.
Yet you haven't shown any support for your claim. I wonder why that is?
Oh, I know why you haven't - because you can't.
*sighs*
NASL

I understand. Many people on this thread do not accept standard definitions(or they have not studied simple words they use, which have many meanings). In your case, it is faith and belief.

You seem inclined to understanding they are interchangeable.

They are not.

Faith is not supported by physical evidence, as hard observable facts, as you would desire it to be, nor can I relinquish it from heaven to earth, and give it qualifiers and quantifiers, as you would desire it from me also....

The virtues of faith and belief have been discussed and refined definitions are available to you. I can only give you my limited experience with them, and convey by conceptualizing and writing to you about them.

Writing can be an art-form, and also a technical description. I try to use them both in the vehicle of language.

Our difficulty in communicating lies in the your relationship of seeking to make all created(seen and unseen) things as observable, and intellectual.
Of course human beings have a fair degree of sophistication in the intellectual realm, I agree. But for me, it is a means, and not an end.

You would have me make faith an intellectual exercise in observation, but this is not the case. So you seek to discount faith and call it non-existent. You have an existential problem, through which your comfort zone is called the paranormal. It is kind of a blurry, foggy world, this paranormal experience you live in.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#477074 Sep 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe this is the particular week of the month that you should refrain from posting here, you're awfully crabby.
Nope - you are wrong again. Man, Anthony, are you ever right?

I actually feel great. "Tippy-tappy with a song in my heart" to be exact.

I do have thoughts running around pertaining to my wife though, as she has been recently diagnosed with a uncurable disease.

But that really is of not any concern here, huh?

I wonder how many people will think that if they pray hard enough, the disease will "just go away"??

*sighs*

I'm arealist, like Jethro, in this regard. If medical science cannot cure her, then I know for a fact it will be highly unlikely "God" will.

If "He" does - you will be the first one to know, okay?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#477075 Sep 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
It's illogical and impossible for the Holy Spirit to have opposing truths marge.
More false claims Anthony?

How is it that you know what the HS does and doesn't do?

I can understand why you follow men, you just can't fathom telling the truth.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#477076 Sep 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you really believe God would give us the scriptures without an earthly authority to safeguard and interpret them?
No. Men have lied to other men with their stories.

You shouldn't believe men.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#477077 Sep 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Labeling something "double-talk" that refutes your position without having a rebuttal is considered "loosing the argument" in a debate.
Then post your rebuttal to what I've stated.

Since you haven't, when will you?

It sounds to me, that you don't want to be labeled as such, but somehow, you can't find the evidence to support your position.

Sounds to me, you are the one "losing".
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#477078 Sep 19, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope - you are wrong again. Man, Anthony, are you ever right?
I actually feel great. "Tippy-tappy with a song in my heart" to be exact.
I do have thoughts running around pertaining to my wife though, as she has been recently diagnosed with a uncurable disease.
But that really is of not any concern here, huh?
I wonder how many people will think that if they pray hard enough, the disease will "just go away"??
*sighs*
I'm arealist, like Jethro, in this regard. If medical science cannot cure her, then I know for a fact it will be highly unlikely "God" will.
If "He" does - you will be the first one to know, okay?
I'm sorry to hear about your wife. In the future you might try to be a little less snide in your remarks and you'll most likely receive a more charitable response.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#477079 Sep 19, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
I understand. Many people on this thread do not accept standard definitions(or they have not studied simple words they use, which have many meanings). In your case, it is faith and belief.
You seem inclined to understanding they are interchangeable.
They are not.
Faith is not supported by physical evidence, as hard observable facts, as you would desire it to be, nor can I relinquish it from heaven to earth, and give it qualifiers and quantifiers, as you would desire it from me also....
The virtues of faith and belief have been discussed and refined definitions are available to you. I can only give you my limited experience with them, and convey by conceptualizing and writing to you about them.
Writing can be an art-form, and also a technical description. I try to use them both in the vehicle of language.
Our difficulty in communicating lies in the your relationship of seeking to make all created(seen and unseen) things as observable, and intellectual.
Of course human beings have a fair degree of sophistication in the intellectual realm, I agree. But for me, it is a means, and not an end.
You would have me make faith an intellectual exercise in observation, but this is not the case. So you seek to discount faith and call it non-existent. You have an existential problem, through which your comfort zone is called the paranormal. It is kind of a blurry, foggy world, this paranormal experience you live in.
Do you even read anything I write, or just find certain words and then respond to those willy-nilly.

Faith - learned
Belief - acquired after faith

I never claimed they are interchangeable, but they do directly affect each other.

C'mon HB - you can claim I am unlearned, but you really are far off-base.

"The virtues of faith and belief have been discussed and refined definitions are available to you. I can only give you my limited experience with them, and convey by conceptualizing and writing to you about them."
- WOW!! Really - your admitted limited knowledge of faith and belief, gives you credence to admonish my faith and belief?

Oh really now? Please check your arrogance at the door.

Please define in detail:

a. How you acquired "faith".
b. How you acquired belief.

We'll see if you know what you are talking about or not.

Please be sure to NOT use words like, "I", "Me", or any pronoun that reflects Self.

What I will be looking for, is for you to provide me the moment "God", the HS, or Jesus came to you specifically and bestowed upon you the faith and belief you have - magically.

Go! I'll wait.

Sheez - you, like Anthony, can't even make up shite that is believable.

Honesty HB - honesty. It all starts and ends with you.

No religion required.
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#477080 Sep 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
I have found no humility here in this forum from any Roman Catholic
All I have found is arrogance and refutation of the word of God.
I witness the destruction of the basic fundamental teaching of the Bible..and truth being replaced with carnal minded conjecture.
I cannot... and will not ...establish compatibility with fables
and inventions that have no foundation in the scriptures.
There are to many hoops required that one has to jump through.
JESUS SAID..
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
jOHN WROTE
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Joh_5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh_6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh_11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
AS FOR ME I AM
Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our/MY faith;
who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the
shame, and
is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
I WILL NOT LISTEN TO OR GIVE PLACE TO THOSE THAT TEACH OTHERWISE.....
I STAKE MY ETERNAL LIFE/SOUL/FATE.... UPON HIS WORD ALONE...
YOUR ALLEGED POPE SAID...
Joh_6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord,
to whom shall we go?
thou hast the words of eternal life.
----
ACCORDING TO PETER....JESUS IS THE SUPREME AUTHORITY ...
THERE IS NO OTHER...
IF OTHERS THINK THEY CAN FIND THE WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE... ELSEWHERE...
THEY ARE IN FOR A HORRIFIC RUDE ETERNAL AWAKENING...
confronting

Peace

Appearances can be deceiving.

I think there are a lot of humble people on this thread. But their writing skills tend to make them misunderstood.

So I have to put the question to you directly, "Is it better for a person to be humble and contrite, or be educated "correctly" regarding Scripture?" I want you to think about it, with respect to Isaiah 66:2....

Is it not the one who listens and hears the Word of God, the one who is humble? Be careful, that your perceived mission in life walks by the most humble, and humbled person(s)....

Peace
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#477081 Sep 19, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
More false claims Anthony?
How is it that you know what the HS does and doesn't do?
I can understand why you follow men, you just can't fathom telling the truth.
marge, confrinting and the rest of the Christians here agree with me that the Holy Spirit cannot guide us to contradictory truths. The only thing in question is why they say it but don't believe it.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#477082 Sep 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
And, Marge, you cannot be a saved person believing in "faith alone!"
As opposed to faith plus works? That would be a false gospel Hank!
headlines

AOL

#477083 Sep 19, 2013
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VATICAN -- ISRAEL debating TEMPLE MOUNT

http://youtu.be/Qt9kEQB4ti8

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#477084 Sep 19, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope - you are wrong again. Man, Anthony, are you ever right?
I actually feel great. "Tippy-tappy with a song in my heart" to be exact.
I do have thoughts running around pertaining to my wife though, as she has been recently diagnosed with a uncurable disease.
But that really is of not any concern here, huh?
I wonder how many people will think that if they pray hard enough, the disease will "just go away"??
*sighs*
I'm arealist, like Jethro, in this regard. If medical science cannot cure her, then I know for a fact it will be highly unlikely "God" will.
If "He" does - you will be the first one to know, okay?
NASL...

I am sorry about your wife.....

You MUST believe in the power of prayer....

I have put her on my prayer list....

If we can be healed spiritually, why do you not think we can be healed physically???
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#477085 Sep 19, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you even read anything I write, or just find certain words and then respond to those willy-nilly.
Faith - learned
Belief - acquired after faith
I never claimed they are interchangeable, but they do directly affect each other.
C'mon HB - you can claim I am unlearned, but you really are far off-base.
"The virtues of faith and belief have been discussed and refined definitions are available to you. I can only give you my limited experience with them, and convey by conceptualizing and writing to you about them."
- WOW!! Really - your admitted limited knowledge of faith and belief, gives you credence to admonish my faith and belief?
Oh really now? Please check your arrogance at the door.
Please define in detail:
a. How you acquired "faith".
b. How you acquired belief.
We'll see if you know what you are talking about or not.
Please be sure to NOT use words like, "I", "Me", or any pronoun that reflects Self.
What I will be looking for, is for you to provide me the moment "God", the HS, or Jesus came to you specifically and bestowed upon you the faith and belief you have - magically.
Go! I'll wait.
Sheez - you, like Anthony, can't even make up shite that is believable.
Honesty HB - honesty. It all starts and ends with you.
No religion required.
NASL

You are trying to be funny here, by asking a personal question and the response cannot have personal pronouns....But to keep it in the third person....

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and evidence of things unseen, and generally described in ontological terms.

Belief is based on experience and knowledge which makes it more subject to epistemology.

Faith and belief often run parallel, meet at points, or segments in a persons life. At times, they may also seem contrary and dissimilar.(Often emotions and reasoning ability determine the directions faith and beliefs take in ones life.)

The personal anecdotes of the writer are not on display for reasons unsuitable to the readers at this time.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#477086 Sep 19, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
As opposed to faith plus works? That would be a false gospel Hank!
Marge,

Ephesians 2:10

10 For we are God’s handiwork, <created IN Christ Jesus> *to DO good works,* which God prepared in advance for us to DO.

***created IN Christ Jesus.....

***to DO good works.....

Good works are done in every area of our lives as a disciple of Christ.....

Good works leads to love....God is LOVE......

When real faith grows, good works grow as well.
Regina

Bloomfield, NJ

#477087 Sep 19, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope - you are wrong again. Man, Anthony, are you ever right?
I actually feel great. "Tippy-tappy with a song in my heart" to be exact.
I do have thoughts running around pertaining to my wife though, as she has been recently diagnosed with a uncurable disease.
But that really is of not any concern here, huh?
I wonder how many people will think that if they pray hard enough, the disease will "just go away"??
*sighs*
I'm arealist, like Jethro, in this regard. If medical science cannot cure her, then I know for a fact it will be highly unlikely "God" will.
If "He" does - you will be the first one to know, okay?
I'm sorry to hear about your wife, Nasl. I'll hold her in my prayers. And you, too.
Regina

Bloomfield, NJ

#477088 Sep 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Marge,
Ephesians 2:10
10 For we are God’s handiwork, <created IN Christ Jesus> *to DO good works,* which God prepared in advance for us to DO.
***created IN Christ Jesus.....
***to DO good works.....
Good works are done in every area of our lives as a disciple of Christ.....
Good works leads to love....God is LOVE......
When real faith grows, good works grow as well.
Hank, how good it is to see you! I've thought of you often and hope all is well with you and your family.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#477089 Sep 19, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Hank, how good it is to see you! I've thought of you often and hope all is well with you and your family.
Hi Regina,

Good to see you on here, too.

Wife and I have had it pretty rough since 2012....too much sadness and sorrow.

I would appreciate your prayers for comfort.

I too have thought of you and many others on here. Hope you and the family are fine.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#477090 Sep 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
marge, confrinting and the rest of the Christians here agree with me that the Holy Spirit cannot guide us to contradictory truths. The only thing in question is why they say it but don't believe it.
Do you - or anyone - have proof that the "HS cannot guide us to contradictory truths"?

Let's see....

a. You say you beleive Jesus, but refuse to acknowledge many of his teachings.
b. You don't have any specific text or passage that states the HS is guiding others differently than you.
c. You don't have any specific text or passage that states that "God" inspired certain texts, so a belief can be formed from those texts.

You really don't have much to go on.

It appears to me, the HS is not guiding you or them.

Unless you THINK [Self] that ONLY certain men received this information, without ever documenting it.

I'm not so sure you have all the answers yourself, Anthony, but still claim others (your heirarchy) do.

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