Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 590229 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476684 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Pay attention
We are condemned if we lack faith
We are not condemned if we are not baptized.
Clear or are you still confused?
If you are not baptized, Chuckie, you are still under the bondage of sin.....condemned.....and outside of Christ.....
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#476685 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Pay attention
We are condemned if we lack faith
We are not condemned if we are not baptized.
Clear or are you still confused?
No need to be rude to Rose, she believes as you.

Actually Jesus says faith AND baptism, and in no particular order.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476686 Sep 17, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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My point was in the example,the perks. Had no time to be baptized.
Some churches baptize in groups ..pray get immersed.
Others,want you to HAVE some lessons first ..
What I'm saying... it's the belief that makes,one born Again ...if he does not get the water ..I believe He is,still saved ..the BAPTISM is not salvation ..a,lot if people get baptized as baby's ..once they become adults,..they still need the belief..still need the Spirit .
For each person ..it's,different ..some never get baptized AGAIN...I imagine ..baptism of it self is,NOT salvation ..
Baptism is a COMMAND.....so how can it not be necessary for salvation???
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476687 Sep 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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...and yes Chuck, you still speak of Self.
Not sure if you're are aware of this but I never respond to you because you're a freak like your buddy June. However, I will make an exception. I'm discussion "Christian stuff"..you wouldn't understand.

thanks
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476688 Sep 17, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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So you think you can't be condemned if you aren't baptized .
So only Christians are condemned .
But those hearing about Jesus who reject Him are NOT condemned because they were never baptized?????
That makes no sense at all ..your saying heaven is,full of atheists who rejected the Lord ..
But we who embraced the,Lord and were baptized are in danger I f condemnation..
We are condemned as long as we are still in our sins....and considered outside of Christ.....
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476690 Sep 17, 2013
Truth wrote:
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If you are not baptized, Chuckie, you are still under the bondage of sin.....condemned.....and outside of Christ.....
So a person who is minutes from dying acknowledges he/she is a lost sinner, repents, and receives Christ by faith is not welcome in the Kingdom of God because he/she was not baptized...you're as lost as the catholics Hank.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476691 Sep 17, 2013
Truth wrote:
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If you are not baptized, Chuckie, you are still under the bondage of sin.....condemned.....and outside of Christ.....
It is by the blood of Christ I am no longer under the bondage of sin.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476692 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Pay attention
We are condemned if we lack faith
We are not condemned if we are not baptized.
Clear or are you still confused?
Chuckie,

Before Jesus, the world was already condemned....

Why???

Because of people's sin.....

Doing nothing maintains our condemnation, as we are still in our sins.

Something has to happen to change the outcome of one's self from being condemned.....

Jesus came to a world of darkness already condemned from their sins in which they have committed.

Now, does the NEW BIRTH change this condemnation???
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476693 Sep 17, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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No need to be rude to Rose, she believes as you.
Actually Jesus says faith AND baptism, and in no particular order.
"no particular order"....I chuckle when I read that.

So you get baptism like your mom and dad did for you and then later on you receive Christ by faith...interesting.

Kind of like going to Chicago. There are many ways to get there...

Peter told Simon the Sorcerer after he was baptized his heart wasn't right...maybe his mommy and daddy didn't take him to be baptized like yours did.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476694 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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So a person who is minutes from dying acknowledges he/she is a lost sinner, repents, and receives Christ by faith is not welcome in the Kingdom of God because he/she was not baptized...you're as lost as the catholics Hank.
What is the purpose of baptism, Chuckie???
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476695 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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It is by the blood of Christ I am no longer under the bondage of sin.
So, Chuckie, you don't believe that it is necessary to participate in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus....

You don't believe that we MUST experience our NEW BIRTH in Jesus.

Just as we are born physically......

WE MUST BE BORN SPIRITUALLY......
Human Being

Arnaudville, LA

#476696 Sep 17, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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My point was in the example,the perks. Had no time to be baptized.
Some churches baptize in groups ..pray get immersed.
Others,want you to HAVE some lessons first ..
What I'm saying... it's the belief that makes,one born Again ...if he does not get the water ..I believe He is,still saved ..the BAPTISM is not salvation ..a,lot if people get baptized as baby's ..once they become adults,..they still need the belief..still need the Spirit .
For each person ..it's,different ..some never get baptized AGAIN...I imagine ..baptism of it self is,NOT salvation ..
RoSesz

Peace

In a literal sense, baptism is not salvation, and salvation is not baptism.

I think most of the people on here are getting mixed up on eternal salvation, and God's Providence of temporal things here concerning baptism.

We need to be spiritually minded, as beings which are spiritual.
As a Catholic, one is most often baptized as an infant, in which is held the belief that God's spiritual gifts are then infused within the soul. It then becomes the obligation of parents to nurture, and as an adult to pursue these gifts. In particular, if you remember; faith, hope, and love.

This is of course rejected by many non-Catholics, who hold that salvation is more like a covering, or washing away of sin. This is where the confusion of eternal and temporal aspects of baptism and salvation seem centered.(Of course the salvation of God is eternal in the washing of regeneration, the born-again experience. Salvation because of Jesus's sacrifice.) But also one must accept that hope supersedes one's sins, and God is Everlasting. He is not limited to the timeline of Creation. This makes infant baptism valid, in my opinion.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476697 Sep 17, 2013
Truth wrote:
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What is the purpose of baptism, Chuckie???
I'll take that as a no.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476698 Sep 17, 2013
You all have a good evening. If there is one thing we can learn from today it's Campellites like Hank and Catholics like Tony believe the same. The other thing they disagree on, is that they both believe they are a member of the true church.

Satan is clever ain't he.....lol
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#476699 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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"no particular order"....I chuckle when I read that.
So you get baptism like your mom and dad did for you and then later on you receive Christ by faith...interesting.
Kind of like going to Chicago. There are many ways to get there...
Peter told Simon the Sorcerer after he was baptized his heart wasn't right...maybe his mommy and daddy didn't take him to be baptized like yours did.
Chuck chuckling makes me chuckle. Would you like to discuss the several questions I posed to you or would you rather just make snide comments about my Christian faith?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476700 Sep 17, 2013
“The light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.”

Light = Jesus

Darkness = Sin

Has a transformation occurred yet?

No....why?

Because they are still in their sins....

Would we rather live for ourselves (IN SIN) rather than be saved (FROM THE BONDAGE OF SIN) from our condemnation.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#476701 Sep 17, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I believe the "make disciples, baptizing them...." part has been understood since the earliest times as baptism being the means by which we are made disciples. Just a thought.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

First they have to be taught ..correct ..making them disciples

Comes BEFORE baptizing them ..

I'm not at all against b as by baptism..

But the verse teaches THRY must be taught and be made disciples ...

Baptism Itself cannot make a disciple ...right ..???

Many people baptize their KidS just to do it ..have a,Christening party..do it because it's,expected ...

If Baptism is all they receive ..how can they be disciples ..or even saved..once they reach the age of reason..

Not all parents ate good Catholics or non Catholic Christians ..
Human Being

Iowa, LA

#476702 Sep 17, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Baptism is a COMMAND.....so how can it not be necessary for salvation???
Truth

Peace

Baptism "may" be more inclusive, and not as literal as some people assume....

I leave it for God to Judge just how inclusive He desires, not only for others, but myself as well.

Peace
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476703 Sep 17, 2013
sorry for the double posts.....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476704 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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I'll take that as a no.
I'll take your answer as you don't know what the purpose of baptism is.....

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