Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476639 Sep 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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From that Scripture...tell us what they were instructed to do before baptizing them.....
Nicodemus should have known of the necessity of the New Birth since the Book of Ezekiel speaks of the need of God’s people to have a new heart.

Ezekiel 18:31

31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses (SINS) you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

GET A NEW HEART AND A NEW SPIRIT......

Nicodemus was still ignorant of his need of the NEW BIRTH.

SIN is an act committed by the INDIVIDUAL......
Dan

Omaha, NE

#476640 Sep 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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From that Scripture...tell us what they were instructed to do before baptizing them.....
They were not instructed to do anything "before" baptizing them. them.

The command wasn't "X then Y". It was "X AND Y".
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476641 Sep 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Jesus answered,“Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying,‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” John 3:3-8 (NIV)
Notice that after Jesus says that we must be born of "water and the Spirit", he immediately contrasts flesh and Spirit. In the context, Jesus is answering Nicodemus's concern that he must be born "again". In one sentence, he mentions two births: water and Spirit. And in the next sentence, he again mentions two births: flesh and Spirit. The most natural interpretation is that flesh and water are referring to the same birth.
In addition, notice that Jesus says "So it is with everyone born of the Spirit". If he were intending to say that everyone must be born of flesh, water (baptism), and Spirit, then it seems that he would have said "So it is with everyone born of water and of Spirit". Water is painted here as the already accomplished (physical) birth.
Wrong.....

One baptism....

One birth....NEW BIRTH....

Two elements......WATER and SPIRIT....

Jesus was essentially saying that possessing only a physical, earthly birth wasn’t sufficient for one to enter God’s kingdom.

2 Peter 1:4

4 Through these he has given us his very GREAT and PRECIOUS PROMISES, so that <<<<<through them you may participate in the divine nature,>>> having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires (SINS.)

What is Peter saying???

Peter tells us that when a person experiences the NEW BIRTH,(SPIRITUAL) they become ".....partakers of the divine nature...”

How can we become "partakers of the DIVINE NATURE" if we are still in our SINS and have not gone through our NEW BIRTH???

"Heaven is a prepared place for a prepared people."
Dan

Omaha, NE

#476642 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples((((these are followers of Christ)))) of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
***once we are followers of Christ...baptize them.
Again...the catholic church baptizes folks before they are disciples. This is the opposite of what Jesus said in Matt 28
You keep saying "we" so I'm assume you are talking about all catholics and your church.
Using your method here, I could reply by telling you that the disciples are made so by the baptism. i.e. "make disciples of all nations by baptizing them".
truth

Perth, Australia

#476643 Sep 17, 2013
how many heaven deceivers and possessors have

its written
don't lift up your spirit in vain where evil stay

why

its going fall
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#476644 Sep 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Old JG WROTE
Being born of water represents the natural birth of every human being who ever walked this earth. But Jesus told Nicodemus that his natural birth was not sufficient to enter the kingdom. Every person has been born of water. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. However, to be born of the Spirit represents a Super-Natural birth. Thus the expression "born again".
I agree with you...
AS FOR THE ROMAN CATHOLICS
Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
JESUS SAID
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Being Born again is submitting one's self to the righteousness of God,...
When the Father draws him UNTO HIMSELF.
When he (by the Holy Spirit) receives a revelation that he is a sinner...and is convicted of his sins.
.AND
THE PERSON RESPONDS BY CONFESSING HIS SINS...ASKING FORGIVENESS FOR HIS SINS.
AND REPENTING..WHICH IS TURNING AWAY FORM THEM.
NOTE
2Co_7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation ....
A BABY...BEING BAPTIZED... CANNOT EXPERIENCE GODLY SORRY FOR IT'S SINS...
BECAUSE It has not committed any sins to be sorry for...or to repent of.
BAPTISM DEFINED IN GREEK
G907
&#946;&#945;&#960; &#964;&#953;&#769; &#950;&#969;
baptizo&#772;
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:- baptist, baptize, wash.
---
You bible only "fundies" keep (throwing around) one personal opinion after the other regarding what it means to be "born again" along with every other "theological term" that has ALREADY BEEN DEFINED for over 2000 years by Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church........ The Early Church Fathers in 382,393, and 397 formed the Canon of Scriptures and defined and interpreted EVERYTHING that was ever written in the bible in and through Our Lords One True Universal (Catholic) Church). You Protestant "fundies" have been "burger flipping" bible verses since the Reformation seeking (your own) Relative TRUTH.... EACH of you 42,000 contradicting bible only fundamentalist,(day after day) continue to (appoint yourselves) as the new 21st century enlughtened ministers and preachers who "supposedly" (have all the answers) when in fact the vast majority of you have "zero authenticity", "zero credence" and "zero credibility"!!! The TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible has been proven, verified and authenticated for over 2000 years,(and has not changed) in and through Our Lord Jesus Christs One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church. You "fundies" need to (put aside) your anti-catholic pride, ego and self importance and begin to explore the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the bible by reading the Catholic Catechism and quit rowing "around in circles" in your bible only row boat of contradiction, inconsistency, confusion and chaos. The TRUTH of the bible has, is and will ALWAYS REMAIN in Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#476645 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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The Bible specifically says if we lack faith we are condemned. It does not say we are condemned if we aren't baptized.
Faith is necessary for salvation...baptism is not. If it is, point me to the passage.
Chuck says....The Bible specifically says if we lack faith we are condemned.

Michael says......Born into a christian family your OK! Born into a non christian family.......too bad for you. Is that what you are saying?

No wonder our world is full of ignorance and hatred towards others who are not just like you.

UNBELIEVABLE!





Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476646 Sep 17, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Wrong.....
One baptism....
One birth....NEW BIRTH....
Two elements......WATER and SPIRIT....
Jesus was essentially saying that possessing only a physical, earthly birth wasn’t sufficient for one to enter God’s kingdom.
2 Peter 1:4
4 Through these he has given us his very GREAT and PRECIOUS PROMISES, so that <<<<<through them you may participate in the divine nature,>>> having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires (SINS.)
What is Peter saying???
Peter tells us that when a person experiences the NEW BIRTH,(SPIRITUAL) they become ".....partakers of the divine nature...”
How can we become "partakers of the DIVINE NATURE" if we are still in our SINS and have not gone through our NEW BIRTH???
"Heaven is a prepared place for a prepared people."
For the person who disagrees with me....

Ephesians 4:4-6

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

5 <<<<<one Lord, one faith, one baptism;>>>>>

***one Lord.....Jesus Christ***

***one faith....a rock solid belief....in our Lord, Jesus Christ***

***one baptism....baptism INTO the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ***

6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and IN all.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#476647 Sep 17, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Hey Preston,
Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate baptism WITHOUT water.....came directly from God for the apostles and the House of Cornelius. Special event that only happened twice.
Today, we are baptized into Jesus' death, burial and resurrection.
This is the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
then explain to us how this Baptism of the Holy Ghost as recorded in the Bible happened to me 36 hours after I was Saved.

and Water was in evidence that night.lol

John chapter 7, verses 37-39.

sorry Hank, but your knowledge of what actually occurs concerning Baptism is flawed
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476648 Sep 17, 2013
Michael wrote:
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Chuck says....The Bible specifically says if we lack faith we are condemned.
Michael says......Born into a christian family your OK! Born into a non christian family.......too bad for you. Is that what you are saying?
you read that???

Catholic education???

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#476649 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
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We believe that He spoke directly of it and it's necessity in John 3:5, and that His commands in Matthew 28 confirm His teachings of its necessity.
LOL, you have been taught that John 3:5 is referring to being Baptized but you have been taught falsely, just as in many other Verses. your doctrine is flawed and your church has had to add their opinion to make it fit their theology,

WHILE I AND CHUCK DONT!!!!!

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#476650 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, He commanded baptism. Plainly.
Curiously, you're now finding fault with the Catholic Church for their obesiance to the commands of Jesus Christ in Scripture.
then if He commanded baptism, please give us ONE verse that He commands it.

Not what your church says that he says but what he actually says, for instance.

Dan(Insert any other name), go be Baptized

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#476651 Sep 17, 2013
Truth wrote:
Jesus declares that there are two agents in the "new birth."
What are they???
here is where you are getting this nonsense.

just more from your church doctrine, not FROM THE BIBLE.

Gospel Sermons That Save Souls - Church of Christ

www.padfield.com/acrobat/asher/sermons-that-s... · PDF file

... Jesus declares that there are two agents in the “new birth,” water ... This theory logically declares that man is in no way ... 2. Jesus is the Saviour of ...

Hey people don't open it up. messes up this link to the RC forum.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#476652 Sep 17, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, you have been taught that John 3:5 is referring to being Baptized but you have been taught falsely, just as in many other Verses. your doctrine is flawed and your church has had to add their opinion to make it fit their theology,
WHILE I AND CHUCK DONT!!!!!
All I get is chuck's opinion of how I should read the passage.

Now I'm getting yours.

All I've supplied is scripture where Jesus commands baptism. That's it.

Dan

Omaha, NE

#476653 Sep 17, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>then if He commanded baptism, please give us ONE verse that He commands it.
Not what your church says that he says but what he actually says, for instance.
Dan(Insert any other name), go be Baptized
I already did.

He commanded the Apostles to go out and baptize all nations.

I'm part of "all nations".
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476654 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Jesus commanded baptism for all nations. No qualifiers given in Matthew 28 nor John 3.
Make disciples of all nations and baptize all nations. Not "then"-"and " is what He said. Do both, no qualifiers given. No predicate act to baptism mentioned by Christ.
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples((((these are followers of Christ)))) of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

**For the last time...a disciple is a follower of Christ. Catholic church ignores Christ's words and skips this part and goes right in to baptizing.

** Twist it any way you like Dan. You were not a follower of Christ at 3 months old.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#476655 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
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We believe that Jesus is speaking the necessity of baptism, not the necessity to undergo live birth in order to be baptized.
We believe baptism is salvific.
You believe wrong....there is no saving power in water!!!! If that were so....Christ could have stayed home!!!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#476656 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples((((these are followers of Christ)))) of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
**For the last time...a disciple is a follower of Christ. Catholic church ignores Christ's words and skips this part and goes right in to baptizing.
** Twist it any way you like Dan. You were not a follower of Christ at 3 months old.
Who's "twisting"?

I'm taking Christ at face value, while you're insisting that I add qualifiers to His statements and commands concerning the necessity of baptism.

He didn't make any qualifying statements. None. He said "no one" can enter His kingdom unless baptized, and commanded the apostles to baptize "all nations".

No qualifiers. No exceptions.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#476657 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Christ does not tell us in John 3 that one must undergo live birth to attain Heaven.
If a person has not experienced a live birth....how can he have sin on his soul?????

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#476658 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
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They were not instructed to do anything "before" baptizing them. them.
The command wasn't "X then Y". It was "X AND Y".
Then your Bible is defective or you have no reading apprehension ability....

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