Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#476613 Sep 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Old JG WROTE
Being born of water represents the natural birth of every human being who ever walked this earth. But Jesus told Nicodemus that his natural birth was not sufficient to enter the kingdom. Every person has been born of water. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. However, to be born of the Spirit represents a Super-Natural birth. Thus the expression "born again".
I agree with you...
AS FOR THE ROMAN CATHOLICS
Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
JESUS SAID
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Being Born again is submitting one's self to the righteousness of God,...
When the Father draws him UNTO HIMSELF.
When he (by the Holy Spirit) receives a revelation that he is a sinner...and is convicted of his sins.
.AND
THE PERSON RESPONDS BY CONFESSING HIS SINS...ASKING FORGIVENESS FOR HIS SINS.
AND REPENTING..WHICH IS TURNING AWAY FORM THEM.
NOTE
2Co_7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation ....
A BABY...BEING BAPTIZED... CANNOT EXPERIENCE GODLY SORRY FOR IT'S SINS...
BECAUSE It has not committed any sins to be sorry for...or to repent of.
BAPTISM DEFINED IN GREEK
G907
βαπ τί ζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:- baptist, baptize, wash.
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confronting

Peace

Plenty of households baptized in the N.T....

You assume one must hear the physical words of God, by a preacher. But God speaks beyond silence. So a baby can hear God..., for instance when Mary visited her cousin, and John jumped in the womb....

Infant baptism is therefore acceptable. And your conclusion based within your assumption is incorrect. It is an understandable error.

Peace
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476614 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
We believe Jesus was speaking of Baptism in John 3:5.
I have only provided you with scripture thus far, so I'm not sure what your "early church fathers" objection is based upon.
I understand but Jesus did not say anything about baptism in John 3:5.

Again, the Bible does not say....anywhere...we must be baptized to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
truth

Perth, Australia

#476615 Sep 17, 2013
incarnations is incarnation
many spirit of them is not holy
i am sorry you not convince me
-deceivers and possessors
i make clear with that

don't honor law where is in within evil
its abuse power
don't respect law
where civil rights not exist
don't respect law where mothers and childreens suffer

Real Creator not created anyone for suffering.

I am one of them.

I touch that Cross with mind body and soul hand lags and Crown

evil people serve evil
truth

Perth, Australia

#476616 Sep 17, 2013
you can hear many voice as satanic voice too..you can know who they are as well who organize them to posess person..is that crime..yes it is..its written all demons and angels will fall..

by

Since: Nov 08

usa

#476617 Sep 17, 2013
hojo wrote:

<quoted text>
AMEN!!! And quit attacking, judging and condemning the faith of other Christians, who "you know little or nothing" about-----especially Catholics. JETHRO: true no one knows a lot about Catholics because everything is done behind closed doors.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476618 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
It means that and baptizing them, just like its says.
Do both.
It means to spread the Gospel so people come to the saving faith of Jesus Christ....and then and only then baptize them. A disciple is a follower of Jesus Christ.

Only the catholic church would baptize someone before he/she is a disciple of Jesus Christ.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#476619 Sep 17, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus defined "HIS CHURCH" over 2000 years ago, in Matthew 16:13-21 (including referencing the Church over 30 times in the New Testament!...... Acts 2 defines Jesus' Church as heirachical, authoritative and visible with Bishops, priests, elders and deacons (beginning at Antioch),........Paul "confirms" in in I Timothy 3:15 when he calls THE CHURCH (not the bible alone) as the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH,.....and TRUE Church History as PROVEN it to be TRUE from the billions and billions of Catholic Christians that has "gone before us, marked with the sign of faith" (in and through) Jesus Christs One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church. Jesus established, formed, initiate and founded ONE TRUE CHURCH (and it was Catholic). MEN (not Jesus)(beginning with Luther) built denominations,(42,000+ contradicting, inconsistent and conflicting "Protestant denominations" and multiplying (out of control) each day!......... You Ox, "continue" to have (no idea) as to what you are talking about, which is no surprise to ANY OF US CATHOLICS (Anthony, Clay, Regina, Star C, etc) because you are living on an "isolated (bible only) island" of FICTION that relies on distortion, heresy, lies and deceit in order to "exist"!!!!
Acts 2 defines Jesus' Church as heirachical, authoritative and visible with Bishops, priests, elders and deacons (beginning at Antioch)JETHRO: Antioch the first Christian church captured by roman legions an given to the roman catholic church, converted by force into their perversion pagan/Christian falsehoods.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476620 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
I get it. You cannot give me an example of one being condemned for not being baptized. Similar to the catholic church. It ain't in God's Word but you believe it.
Chuckie,

Look up all the conversion in the bible.....

Does the Bible teach that feelings are sure and certain indicators of the forgiveness of our sins?
truth

Perth, Australia

#476621 Sep 17, 2013
not even any close door

evil is evil

its perfection which is falllllllllllllllllllllllll

amennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Dan

Omaha, NE

#476622 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand but Jesus did not say anything about baptism in John 3:5.
Again, the Bible does not say....anywhere...we must be baptized to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
We believe that He spoke directly of it and it's necessity in John 3:5, and that His commands in Matthew 28 confirm His teachings of its necessity.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476623 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
It means to spread the Gospel so people come to the saving faith of Jesus Christ....and then and only then baptize them. A disciple is a follower of Jesus Christ.
Only the catholic church would baptize someone before he/she is a disciple of Jesus Christ.
Chuckie,

WHAT MUST WE DO?

Key word "DO"......

Do you wish your sins away?

Do you write your sins down on a piece of paper and put it in a bottle and send them out to sea?

Do you put your hands on the tv screen and your sins are forgiven?

Assurance of salvation is predicated upon what is written in Gods word.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#476624 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
It means to spread the Gospel so people come to the saving faith of Jesus Christ....and then and only then baptize them. A disciple is a follower of Jesus Christ.
Only the catholic church would baptize someone before he/she is a disciple of Jesus Christ.
Well, He commanded baptism. Plainly.

Curiously, you're now finding fault with the Catholic Church for their obesiance to the commands of Jesus Christ in Scripture.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476625 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
I get it. You cannot give me an example of one being condemned for not being baptized. Similar to the catholic church. It ain't in God's Word but you believe it.
Read the whole Book of Acts...

1 John 2:3-5

3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.

<Do you know what the COMMANDS of Jesus are in the New Testament?>

4 Whoever says,I know him, but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

If you say "I know him," BUT DOES NOT do what HE COMMANDS is a liar, and the truth is NOT in that person.

<Do you know what the COMMANDS of Jesus are in the New Testament?>


5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:

If anyone OBEYS HIS WORD, love of God is truly made complete in them.

<This is how we know we are IN HIM!>

<How do we become IN HIM?>

<How do we OBEY His Word?>

Do you know what the COMMANDS of Jesus are in the New Testament?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476626 Sep 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
It means to spread the Gospel so people come to the saving faith of Jesus Christ....and then and only then baptize them. A disciple is a follower of Jesus Christ.
Only the catholic church would baptize someone before he/she is a disciple of Jesus Christ.
You become a disciple (a follower of Jesus Christ) when you do what???

Key word...."DO".......

God does His part.....

Man does His part.....
truth

Perth, Australia

#476627 Sep 17, 2013
they used perfectly on evil way with nice lips in nice suits very peaceful..

but nothing to do with righteousness people

they are nobody and nothing..
they are scare of themself
as they are used nice lips let down others..

never trust evil

its not yirji

its INRI

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#476628 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you provide an example of a specific person that we know was condemned? For anything?
John 3:5 documents Jesus telling us the necessity of baptism for salvation.
Joh 3:5 has zilch to do with baptism...It speaks of the natural birth and the Spiritual birth...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#476629 Sep 17, 2013
Jesus declares that there are two agents in the "new birth."

What are they???

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#476630 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus command the Apostles to baptize.
Matthew 28
18 But Jesus came near and spoke to them; All authority in heaven and on earth, he said, has been given to me; 19 you, therefore, must go out, making disciples of all nations, and baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, 20 teaching them to observe all the commandments which I have given you. And behold I am with you all through the days that are coming, until the consummation of the world.
Seemed pretty important to Jesus.
From that Scripture...tell us what they were instructed to do before baptizing them.....
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#476631 Sep 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, He commanded baptism. Plainly.
Curiously, you're now finding fault with the Catholic Church for their obesiance to the commands of Jesus Christ in Scripture.
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples((((these are followers of Christ)))) of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

***once we are followers of Christ...baptize them.

Again...the catholic church baptizes folks before they are disciples. This is the opposite of what Jesus said in Matt 28

You keep saying "we" so I'm assume you are talking about all catholics and your church.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#476632 Sep 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Joh 3:5 has zilch to do with baptism...It speaks of the natural birth and the Spiritual birth...
We believe that Jesus is speaking the necessity of baptism, not the necessity to undergo live birth in order to be baptized.

We believe baptism is salvific.

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