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#476368 Sep 15, 2013
I find Catholics to be phoney and hypocritical , always pushing how important they are because they are Catholic.
In reality in they are little more than a cult with a history of taking advantage of their followers, promoters of homosexuality and child abuse.
Many people I know are Ex Cathoics because they could no longer stand what was going on in their churches. Between the perversion or being shaken down by being guilted into paying the church.
Want an annulment, pay the church
Want to confess .. Say a few Hail Marys and oh yeah pay the church
Want to be accepted by god for confirmation, pay the church
Who is the biggest landlord in the world.? The Catholic Church.
It is an institution of fraud and hypocracy and I urge your followers to leave and find out the true meaning of Christ.
#476369 Sep 15, 2013
Oxbow says.......which means you don't know the definition of "love" in that scripture.
Michael LAUGHS OUT LOUD!........and says.....definition in the scripture Oxbow says......Ha!
.....The crucifixion scenes in the Gospels are so utterly symbolic and based on the scriptures that as history they are unbelievable. The events of the arrest, trial, and execution defy our knowledge of Jewish law of the time. On the eve of, or during, Passover these are things that they simply did not do.
..... There is considerable doubt that the Jews would have had any reason to go to the Romans to carry out the execution, or that they would have had him crucified, since the law required death by stoning for blasphemy, which is what Jesus was supposedly charged with. However, "Christ crucified" was already a theme in the teachings of Paul. Crucifixion was a means of execution that was performed by authorities, while stoning was performed by the public. In the apocalyptic and messianic stories of the time where leading figures were executed, the leading figures were executed by authorities, typical heavenly authorities.
The Gospels make many claims that are contradicted by the historical record
......Unlike the writings of the Old Testament, which cover a time span of hundreds, if not thousands, of years, the writings of the New Testament cover a very brief period of time. Most of the books, as well, don't make any significant historical statements that could even be checked against the historical record, but the Gospels and the book of Acts do make some. The book of Acts is now widely accepted by scholars as mythologized, though some aspects of it may be loosely based on real events.
Of primary importance, however, are the Gospels. Though the Gospels only cover a short time-span, there are a few claims which are made that can be checked against the known historical record. It must be noted that the Gospels do, of course, get some history correct. Herod was a real king, Pontius Pilate was a real governor of Judea, and Galilee was a real place, but beyond the basics several of the details that are part of the Gospel stories are either completely without evidence or are contradicted by the evidence that we do have. Here are a few examples of claims that are made in the Gospels which are either contradicted by the historical record or are unconfirmed outside of the Gospels.
Star of Bethlehem- No record of such a celestial event outside the Gospel of Matthew.
Roman census in Jesus birth story No record of any census that matches this description.
Massacre of the Innocents- No record of this event outside the Gospel of Matthew.
John the Baptist Killed early in the Gospels, died in 36 CE according to Josephus.
Death of Jesus Accompanied by blackout of sun, earthquakes, and raising of the dead in the Gospels, no record of this by others.
The Star of Bethlehem.
UNBELIEVABLE!.........and people like yourself are stuck on all this utter nonsense.
....definition of Love he says!(lol) when the sciptures themselves are mythology.
#476370 Sep 15, 2013
Its all mythology HuskerDu.
#476371 Sep 15, 2013
How did the gospel writers know..........
How did Matthew and Luke supposed to have gotten details of their stories?
Was Matthew riding along with the Magi trying to hunt down the imaginary star of David? Was he at Herods place hiding listening in on their conversations of what was to take place?
Its all baloney and there appears to be a lot of baloney lovers on this forum.
No one today can verify that the 4 gospels were written by the 4 people associated with them. I can't believe today that we have so many gullable people.
#476372 Sep 15, 2013
You sound just like millions of disgruntled EX catholics ..........Up yours!
Remember the vast majority of roman catholics were indoctrinated into the faith by their families. They never used their personal knowledge to determine what belief to follow.
#476373 Sep 15, 2013
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If you could lose you salvation, you would have to do the following five things. That is, to lose your salvation, you'd have to lose, return, or reverse ALL the things included in our salvation.
#1 ABORT YOURSELF FROM THE NEW BIRTH
John 3:3-7 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
These verses are plainly referring to your first birth, born of water and your new birth by the Holy Spirit.
a. I don't see any way to be unborn. You didn't have anything to do with your first birth, so how can you be unborn. Even you mother and father can't undo what was done. It's the same thing with the new birth or Salvation. All you did was receive the gift of God (Romans 6:23) by believing on the Jesus Christ of the scriptures. When you were born physically all you did was breathe.
#2 UNSEAL YOUR SOUL
Ephesians 1:12-14 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest (down payment) of our inheritance (in the 1000 year reign) until the redemption of the purchased possession,(the Rapture) unto the praise of his glory.
a. Now how are you going to unseal your soul? You didn't seal it, God did. Someone out there says,'well if you do something that's wrong, then God will unseal it." Nope, it won't work, the verse says that the Holy Spirit's seal is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession. We're sealed until our body's redeemed and once we're redeemed we can't sin anymore. You can take a jar of beans that has been sealed by someone that knows what they're doing and it'll last from now on. I believe the Holy Spirit knows exactly what He's doing when He seals us to the day of redemption!
#476374 Sep 15, 2013
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If you could lose you salvation, you would have to do the following five things.....
#3 DIVORCE YOURSELF FROM THE FAMILY OF GOD.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
a. You say now I've got you! I've heard of a boy divorcing his parents. Wrong again, I don't care what that boy did, he is still his father and mother's son. My son will always be my son, we might be out of fellowship with each other, he might change his name, cuss me out or move to another country, but he will still be my son. It's the same way with your Heavenly Father, if you are saved. He will get you home, even if it's the hard way.
1 Corinthians 11:30 "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep." Those folks had all kinds of troubles and some even died, but God didn't say they lost it and went to Hell!
#4 UNCIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART - REATTACH YOUR SOULD AND FLESH
Rom 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Colossians 2:11-12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
a. According to the above verses, when you were saved God cut your soul loose from your body so the Holy Spirit can indwell you.(Romans 8:9) The sins you commit are applied to your flesh and not your soul like they were before you were saved. That's the reason you can't lose your salvation.
WHAT IF YOU SIN ONE TIME
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it (heaven) any thing that defileth, James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
a. How many sins would it take to lose salvation? ONE!
So no one can live sinless, unless it's his body that's sinning and the body won't be saved until the Rapture. So the only way to stay saved is for your soul and spirit to be separate from your flesh.
#5 AMPUTATE YOURSELF FROM THE BODY OF CHRIST Christ
I Corinthians 12:13 (see also verses 12, 18, 27) I Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
a. Now how are you going to take yourself out of the body of Christ? If you could, Jesus Christ body would be deformed, mutilated or incomplete. When we put our faith IN Christ, we get the faith OF Christ. If ours ever fails - HIS won't!
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed IN Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
I'm trusting in the substitutionary atonememt of the Lord Jesus Christ, if you can lose your salvation then you must be trusting in something else. It is a ridiculous impossibility for a child of God to lose their salvation. The few isolated verses used to pretend that a church age Christian can lose salvation are invariable either not talking about salvation, or not directed at Christians. A born again child of God cannot lose salvation. However, he can lose his assurance, his joy, testimony, rewards, health, inheritance and his life.
Since: Apr 08
Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.
#476375 Sep 15, 2013
What have we here another bigot and Anti-Catholic. Before you spew your hate why dont you try to find the truth?? Do tell us what man made church you belong to, so we can give you some information on that man-made church.
After confession,[something you should do] NO PAYMENT IS MADE!
Confirmation, NO PAYMENT IS MADE!
Annulments - have to be investigated by questioning relatives and friends, some
have to travel to get information. WHY SHOULD THE CHURCH PAY FOR
YOUR MISTAKE, stay married and you wont need an annulment!!!
No one fells guilty by making donations, if person has no money, one is not
obligated to donate, in fact the Church helps those in need!!!!!
Regarding promotion of homosexuals, you are lying again. Haven't you heard protestants church are already promoting marriage for them. This is why we have such a great conversation of married minister and the whole congregation of other faiths coming into the ONE,TRUE CHURCH!!
One more thing, protestants have a higher rate of child abuse then Catholics, you don't hear about it b/c it doesn't make the news.
The Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students
everyday at the cost to OUR Church of 10 billion dollars, and a
SAVINGS TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER OF 18 billion
Our graduates go on to graduate studies at the rate of 92%,
all at a NO COST to taxpayers. To the rest of the Americans it's free.
The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an
enrollment of 700,000 students.
The Catholic Church has a non-profit
hospital system of 637 hospitals, which account for hospital treatment
of 1 out of every 5 people -- not just Catholics -- in the United States
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"
#476376 Sep 15, 2013
SO NOW YOU HAVE GRAVITATED INTO A FULL FLEDGED ATHEIST...
YOU REMIND ME OF THOSE... THAT ONCE WERE TAKEN IN ..BY THE MORMONS AND JW'S.
At yard sales when you find those that have been deceived.... getting
rid of their cult material ....you usually find their Bibles in the same
box...woth their watch towers and book of mormons
Their belief in God has totally been expunged...and it has left their
souls hopelessly confused and empty...(body and soul) to be
exposed prey to the wilds the devil and what ever he wants to do to
and according to Jesus...
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
you will find that ...You are no exception....satan has none...
His intentions are to destroy you ....here and hereafter...
“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”
Since: Jun 10
"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"
#476377 Sep 15, 2013
THE BIBLE SAYS
Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
NOW COMPARE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOVE WITH WHAT YOUR BANNER SAYS IN THIS FORUM...
"Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ."
Since: Jun 10
#476378 Sep 15, 2013
Thanks for verifying my words!!!!!
#476380 Sep 15, 2013
The Vatican never said "Roman Catholic Church" only true Church. There are 22 Catholic Churches. All are true.
This is the 3rd time in a week you've been shown your error. Now its turning into a sin on your part. As if you could care less about truth..
Since: Jun 10
#476381 Sep 15, 2013
Correctly stated: Roman Catholic church denomination.....
Roman Catholic Church Denomination - Christianity - About.com
christianity.about.com ... Denominations Roman Catholicism‎
by Mary Fairchild - in 469 Google+ circles
The Roman Catholic church denomination is the largest Christian group in the world today with more than a billion followers constituting about half of the world's ...
Since: Jun 10
#476382 Sep 15, 2013
Catholic Church only true church, Vatican says - World - CBC News
Jul 10, 2007 - The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican - Topix
Jul 10, 2007 - 20 posts - ‎1 author
As someone who is catholic and was raised in the faith, I find this truly offensive that the Pope would make a statement like this. It is making me ...
#476384 Sep 15, 2013
Can't read either eh. Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
That is the title of this thread posted by a catholic. The Pope said this words did he not??
Does not the Pope represent the vatican??
#476385 Sep 15, 2013
You mean to tell me... After all these yrs on this thread, and the countless times its been pointed out to you... You still do not know?
The Vatican NEVER said ROMAN Catholic Church only true Church. Why? Because that statement does not make sense. There are 22 other Catholic Churches. Roman is just one of them. All are true in tracing their roots to Jesus Christ's original Church. The Catholic; universal Church of Jesus Christ, in communion with the Bishop of Rome.
You people see a headline from a secular news outlet and automatically believe its truth. I swear, you are all the perfect candidates for the cults.
#476386 Sep 15, 2013
Show me from the article. Not the topix headline. The Vatican didn't write the headline of this thread you moron. Is there an actual quote? The Armenian and Byzantine rite Catholic Churches are the true Churches as well. You fanatics focus on "Roman" because your cult leaders led you to believe there is a separate Church called 'Roman'.... You know... The Whore of Babylon! oops, what happens if there is no such thing as an actual Roman Church by the definition you all think or want? Suddenly your Whore of Babylon accusation looks like another lie. Lol. Looks like you gotta do the protestant creed and ignore truth so you can carry on protesting Our Lords Church.
#476387 Sep 15, 2013
We have a GREAT scholar....God....and God's Holy Spirit...
“GOD SO LOVED US”
Since: Aug 08
He Gave His SON to Save us
#476388 Sep 15, 2013
Knit that is not why ..And if you would read my posts,instead of attacking ..on the other forum I said....regarding this idea THST the Christians, including Catholics I know,..send or plan to send THeir kids to college ....
And I do think college is a good idea myself ..
I wanted to know exactly what I asked ..
“GOD SO LOVED US”
Since: Aug 08
He Gave His SON to Save us
#476389 Sep 15, 2013
Oh and please stop the insults ..Thanks ..
This,forum is a Christian one Knit ...remember ..most folks,..HERE ..do not sling personal insults ..That I've Seen..
I'm neither a bigot ..Not anti CATHolic .though there are some things in the RCC i do not agree with ..
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